Sorry but it its incredible stupid to praise Sweden when they are the 4th worst out of 40 European countries and absolutely idiotic to claim they have herd immunity when their both their daily new case number and positivity rate is higher than during the first spike.
Some masks better than others
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Why are you citing irrelevant crap when nailed to the cross on your original foolishness?
As usual due to horrible testing in Sweden they are adjusting the numbers again
Oct 13--------916
Oct 14--------968
Oct 15--------903
Oct 16--------1180
Oct 17--------697
Oct 18--------321
Oct 19--------770
Oct 20--------1292
Oct 21--------1573
Oct 22--------1667
Oct 23--------1870----------Previous Highest number of cases/day reported in Sweden
Oct 24--------1478
Oct 25--------516
Oct 26--------1072
Here are the new cases for yesterday which beat the previous high number of cases/day reported in Sweden
Oct 27--------1980
The 7 day average has increased by almost 1,300 cases/day since Sept 1
Sept 1--------162
Oct 27--------1,450
You said something along the lines of Swedes tend to listen to their government better.Since you have a hard time reading and understanding the important part of posts I've highlighted the part where you should re read and understand.
But then again you lived in Europe and you didn't understand the difference between Italy and Sweden in the number of elderly over 65 years of age was over 11 Million people, you only viewed it as a 3% difference and insignificant. SMH
It's mind boggling how you are so misinformed about everything you post. But hey you have a European passport so that alone gives your non factual opinions more credence.
Do you have any stats or other evidence to back this up??
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The ingenius of Phil, repeating the same post over and over because he cannot read and comprehend previous responses
Still waiting for your answer.The ingenius of Phil, repeating the same post over and over because he cannot read and comprehend previous responses
You said something along the lines of Swedes tend to listen to their government better.
Do you have any stats or other evidence to back this up??
This is saying over 2,800 infections in Sweden yesterday:
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be A Model for the Rest of the World
Sweden's unique approach to the pandemic has drawn interest from other countries. But the data are clear: it's largely been a failure.
Remember Sweden's testing is so bad that they spend 3-5 days/week re adjusting the number of cases and deaths reported in previous days. But yes they just re adjusted the previously reported number of cases and there was a significant increase yesterday but also in the previous day reported number of cases.This is saying over 2,800 infections in Sweden yesterday:
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be A Model for the Rest of the World
Sweden's unique approach to the pandemic has drawn interest from other countries. But the data are clear: it's largely been a failure.time.com
It's been like this since sometime in June if I remember correctly when they stopped reporting the number of cases on the weekends.
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Oct 13--------916
Oct 14--------968
Oct 15--------902
Oct 16--------1,180
Oct 17--------697
Oct 18--------321
Oct 19--------770
Oct 20--------1,291
Oct 21--------1,573
Oct 22--------1,667
Oct 23--------1,870----------3rd highest number of daily cases
Oct 24--------1,478
Oct 25--------516
Oct 26--------1,071
Oct 27--------2,417--------Previous daily high
Here are the new cases for yesterday which beat the previous high number of cases/day reported in Sweden
Oct 28--------2,820--------New daily high
The 7 day average has increased by over 1,600 cases/day since Sept 1
Sept 1--------162
Oct 28--------1,691
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Newly re adjusted Sweden number of daily cases
Oct 20--------1,291
Oct 21--------1,571
Oct 22--------1,667
Oct 23--------1,869
Oct 24--------1,478
Oct 25--------516
Oct 26--------1,071
Oct 27--------2,416--------Previous highest daily total
Oct 28--------3,396--------Highest daily total
Oct 29--------2.616--------2nd highest daily total
The 7 day average in Sweden for the last week is the highest it's ever been by more than 2X as much as they had ever seen in the first wave during it's highest peaks in June.
The 7 day average has increased by over 1,700 cases/day since Sept 1
Sept 1--------162
Oct 29--------1,909
Oct 20--------1,291
Oct 21--------1,571
Oct 22--------1,667
Oct 23--------1,869
Oct 24--------1,478
Oct 25--------516
Oct 26--------1,071
Oct 27--------2,416--------Previous highest daily total
Oct 28--------3,396--------Highest daily total
Oct 29--------2.616--------2nd highest daily total
The 7 day average in Sweden for the last week is the highest it's ever been by more than 2X as much as they had ever seen in the first wave during it's highest peaks in June.
The 7 day average has increased by over 1,700 cases/day since Sept 1
Sept 1--------162
Oct 29--------1,909
This is further proof that righties don't have very high standards.
If that's a serious reply, you have conceded that repeating Spain, ..... is a really bad argument.
I'm saying Spain, Italy....etc mandated masks but Sweden didnt. Sweden has a lower death rate then those countries.
This proves that masks dont do shit. Look at Ontario, our numbers keep climbing up and everyone wears masks.
Go figure!
Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.
Italy didn't mandate masks till they started easing lockdown measures after the death rate had been rapidly descending. After mandating mask use the daily deaths in Italy continued to plummet till the daily death curve was flattened. And it remained flattened for many weeks. Only recently has there been a slight up tick in deaths & even more strict mask measures were recently put in place.
Italy experienced most of its damage in the very early pandemic. Since then it has been largely a success story due to lockdowns, etc.
Italy has a much older, hence more immune compromised, population than Sweden.
Italy also has fewer people living alone than Sweden does.
Italy also has more multigenerational families living together.
Italy also had many from China & Wuhan arrive in Italy in the early pandemic.
Italy also had a hug a chinese campaign in the early pandemic.
If Sweden were moved to where Italy is, practiced their Sweden no lockdown strategy there under the same health conditions as Italy, they would have had 10 times more deaths than they do now.
ItalyWise
italywise.com
I'd bet that Spain is much the same story as Italy.
Coronavirus went up 300% in Ontario after masks became mandatory
Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue
covid-19.ontario.ca
1) Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.Here's how well masks are working in Portugal
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/over-90-of-portuguese-always-wear-a-mask/55659
Portugal reports more than 1,000 new coronavirus infections in 24 hours for first time in 6 months
Portugal reported more than 1,000 new coronavirus infections in 24 hours for the first time in nearly six months, the country’s health authority said Thursday. According to the Portuguese new…www.nydailynews.com
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
3) Then why is it that Asian nations that use masks fared much better than Western nations that didn't use masks. Based on that info & your simplistic way of reaching conclusions, you should conclude that masks are working. But that would contradict your conclusion that masks aren't working. Can both be true, masks are working and masks aren't working?
4) The Ontario chart re infections shows that the daily numbers continually go up and then go down. So do you conclude that masks work on the days that infections went down. https://www.google.com/search?q=ont...rome..69i57.6877j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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All your points are wrong, as per usualLogical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.
Italy didn't mandate masks till they started easing lockdown measures after the death rate had been rapidly descending. After mandating mask use the daily deaths in Italy continued to plummet till the daily death curve was flattened. And it remained flattened for many weeks. Only recently has there been a slight up tick in deaths & even more strict mask measures were recently put in place.
Italy experienced most of its damage in the very early pandemic. Since then it has been largely a success story due to lockdowns, etc.
Italy has a much older, hence more immune compromised, population than Sweden.
Italy also has fewer people living alone than Sweden does.
Italy also has more multigenerational families living together.
Italy also had many from China & Wuhan arrive in Italy in the early pandemic.
Italy also had a hug a chinese campaign in the early pandemic.
If Sweden were moved to where Italy is, practiced their Sweden no lockdown strategy there under the same health conditions as Italy, they would have had 10 times more deaths than they do now.
ItalyWise
I'd bet that Spain is much the same story as Italy.
1) Logical fallacy. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.
2) The rise in infections could be due to many other variables, such as people returning to school, more acting irresponsibly, more staying in higher risk environments such as indoors as the weather gets colder, etc,. In fact the rise could be even worse without masks being used.
And probably would be, because the scientific evidence says masks work. That's why in almost every nation on earth they are either mandated or recommended as per health experts instructions
3) Then why is it that Asian nations that use masks fared much better than Western nations that didn't use masks. Based on that info & your simplistic way of reaching conclusions, you should conclude that masks are working. But that would contradict your conclusion that masks aren't working. Can both be true, masks are working and masks aren't working?
4) The Ontario chart re infections shows that the daily numbers continually go up and then go down. So do you conclude that masks work on the days that infections went down. https://www.google.com/search?q=ont...rome..69i57.6877j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Easy to say. But you've failed to prove even one point was wrong in anything i've ever said here since i joined the site in 2012.
OTOH you've often been shown to be out to lunch.
I'll be happy to let the objective and intelligent decide between the two of us.
It is primarily for them that i post, not for trolls, people with sick agendas, conspiracy nut jobs or those who are incapable of understanding.
