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gcostanza

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Don’t trade Willy.
Type of player that you can’t replace cheaply, and you’d regret later. Like Hyman.
Better to trade Johnston, Mikheyev or even Freddie.

Every time I hear, read or see something about trading that good western Canadian born young man, because the Maple Leafs need more defense, 5 words come to mind:
The trade is one for one, or, If you don't like those 5 words, Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson.
 

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gcostanza I agree that was a bad trade and people wondered what Edmonton was doing. However I rather have a great d man if possible. Positive example of this would be Columbus Nashville trade. Not a Leafs fan but I liked the way the team was built initially but I do not like the make up of the team right now. To me the contracts of the star players not handled properly(overpaid) and I liked the old GM better then Dubas. To me Hyman should not be traded the team needs more players like him.
 
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Hey Phil. How's things?

darts is obsessed with me. But he never responds to any of my questions. He only gets brave and chimes in with a BFF (wow, what an insult) when he thinks he has someone who he can hide behind. I guess you were that guy today. LOL.
....good man hanging in there, you know... oh geez I hope he’s not hiding behind me. I’m too unstable, and unpredictable. Lmao.

Philip
 
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To me the contracts of the star players not handled properly(overpaid) and I liked the old GM better then Dubas.
Marner definitely not worth $11mm a year. That contract is an albatross around the Leaf's neck. The guy was only a restricted FA and he got paid more than if he was an UFA.[/QUOTE]


To me Hyman should not be traded the team needs more players like him.
Agree. Hyman (as well as Andersen) becomes an UFA in 2021 and the cap might not go up. What will Dubas do (if he is still around)?
 
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Marner definitely not worth $11mm a year....

It's probably a good thing he's not making (A.A.V.) $11,000,000/year then.
($10,893,000).
 

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gcostanza I know you are a big Leafs fan and like to attack anybody who critiques the Leafs but in your view what would like to see the team do for next year that is somewhat realistic. To me if getting Pietrangelo(spelling might be off I know you like attacking people for that) would be great if it can be worked out financially. Also think that the team could use some sandpaper up front on one of the top 3 lines.
 

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Just to make it 100% clear because I am almost positive I spelled is name wrong Pietrangelo the captain and d-man for St. Louis in the NHL.
 

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Who was that former Leafs General Manager that signed Marleau and Zeitsev to longer term deals, one of which cost the Leafs a 1st round draft pick to unload. Hindsight is 20/20 so before guys start thinking that a contract is an albatross, lets see how these high priced athletes perform. Plus, who could have predicted what happened in 2020 with COVID and the effect on the cap, but I guess that is the fault of the GM and the oft mentioned top 4 paid Leafs. Guys here cry about having to save every penny when seeing escorts and I am sure you want to be paid what you feel you are worth at your job. Playing in a market that is as volatile as there is in the league, maybe you deserve to earn as much as you can. If you were in their shoes you would probably do the same thing.
 

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Highest paid NHL players. This list was obviously complied before Marner signed his contract because Marner was paid cash compensation north of $15mm this past season.

 

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Since some are focusing on salary and not cap hit, it should be mentioned that in 2020-21 Marner will make $15,000,000 and this falls to $10,358,000 in 2021-22 and for 2022-2025 he will earn $8,000,000/year before becoming a UFA. After next season where will he be in terms of salary. Tough to say with so many more contracts to be signed but based upon what they project him to be, $8 million/yr would appear to be a bargain. The contract that they negotiated was done with the thought salaries and the cap would be increasing. With COVID, things have changed. But then again after the 2021-22 season, the narrative by naysayers will switch to what his salary is per year to his cap hit. No matter what, if he is healthy, I would rather he stay a Maple Leaf than somewhere else.
 

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Samranchoi I agree that the players should try to get the maximum possible. Also agree that signing Marleau was a mistake especially for 3 years. For me I like Marner but the way the team was built as kind of limited the moves that the team can make right now. Dubas did great in dumping Zaitsev on the Sens. I watch the Sens lots and I was not impressed with is play. I thought that Ceci would play much better on the Leafs but is contract is up so the Leafs can spend that money elsewhere.
 

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gcostanza I know you are a big Leafs fan and like to attack anybody who critiques the Leafs but in your view what would like to see the team do for next year that is somewhat realistic. To me if getting Pietrangelo(spelling might be off I know you like attacking people for that) would be great if it can be worked out financially. Also think that the team could use some sandpaper up front on one of the top 3 lines.
I am a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
I attack no one.
I like to deal in facts, rational thought, logic.
Pietrangelo is correct.
That's an easy one to stumble on, I often forget the 'i'.
I point out errors.

It's often 1 particular poster who likes to think he's smarter than anyone else on the board, though he has cronies.
That sort of individual deserves to be brought down a peg or two.
The same individual often posts ludicrous ideas, random rumours, with no substantiation.
When anyone questions him (I'm assuming it's a him), no answer comes, ever.
There's radio silence when he's called out on his bullshit.

What would I like to see the Maple Leafs do that is realistic?
Excellent question.

My answer will be a combination of what I'd like them to do, and what I think they'll do.
I suspect Frederik Andersen has played his last game as a Maple Leaf.
The goaltender market will be soft this offseason.
Toronto will be looking for someone to share (50/50?) the net with Jack Campbell.
If the Leafs can move FA31, they'll likely spend $2.5~$3Mm on another goaltender.
FA31 has a cap hit of $5Mm, but actual cash remaining of only $1Mm.
For a team looking to make the cap floor, he would be an attractive target.
FA31 is a good to very good goaltender, but not elite.
He does have a partial NTC, he can block a move to 10 teams.
If my guess is correct regarding FA31 being moved, that's $2~2.5Mm more cap space.

Sandpaper up front.
An easy, simple answer is resign Kyle Clifford.
If he's agreeable to a 1 or 2 year deal, at or below $1Mm a.a.v., I'm fine with that.
He's capable of playing in today's NHL, quick enough to keep up.
Certainly tough enough to protect himself and any teammate that needs it.
Can contribute an occasional goal as well.
Failing KC73's return, the club will look at another similar grit guy at similar $$$'s.

The Toronto Maple Leafs defence.

Ah, the $64 question, well, okay, these days, the significantly more than $64 question.
What is the Maple Leafs defence as of today for the 2020-21season, or whenever it starts....?

Morgan Rielly (2) $5Mm a.a.v.
Jake Muzzin (4) $5.625Mm a.a.v.
Justin Holl (3) $2Mm a.a.v.
Rasmus Sandin (2) $894,167K a.a.v.
Travis Dermott (RFA) GMKD will sign him, 1 year $1,471,467.
If he gets an attractive RFA offer from another club, take the draft picks.
That's 5 defencemen.
Martin Marincin (1) $700K & Calle Rosen (1) $750K are both under contract.
MM52 in particular gets slagged for his abilities, skill level.
He's not particularly skilled (I mean, as far as your average NHL defenceman) but he's capable of being a 7-8 defenceman.
Calle Rosen, has 20 NHL games on his resume. He's Marlies~bound barring lots of injuries.
Both contracts are easily buried.
Is Timothy Liljegren ready for a 5-6 defenceman spot?
If so, $863,333 a.a.v.


Now, is there a way to find enough $$ for Mrs. Pietrangelo's (not so) little boy.
Yes.
Toronto has 7 slots to fill on their 23 man roster
As of this writing, the Toronto Maple Leafs have $7,791,467 available to spend.

FA31 departs, we'll say his replacement makes $2.5Mm a.a.v.
There is another $2.5Mm in cap space.
It would not surprise me to see Andreas Johnsson traded, $3.4Mm a.a.v. for pick(s).
Ilya Milcheyev needs a new deal, I imagine (hope?) 1 year $1.5Mm a.a.v.
These 2 things occur, there's another $1.9Mm in cap space.
Nick Robertson makes the club, his salary will be $850K a.a.v.
I see Jason Spezza returning, on another 1 year deal, $700K.
If possible, move Alex Kerfoot (3) and his $3.5Mm a.a.v. deal
With the departures mentioned above, cap space is now $17,191,467.
Additions mentioned above, $3,450,000, leaving $13,471,467 in cap space.
Toronto has some holes to fill.
Should AP27 (he'd have to change # in Toronto) want to come home, a couple of options, sign a 1 year deal (highly unlikely), leaving the club with more flexibility until they have more available cap space.
When would that be?
Three years down the line, is my guess for when the cap may increase again, so yeah, no.
If he's uprooting his family from the only NHL home they've known, it's for 7 years.
My guess, in the neighbourhood of $8Mm a.a.v.
So, that would leave Toronto with $4M in space, with 4 spots to fill, around the edges.
Quite doable.

There are a few posters on here who bitch, whine and complain about GMKD frontloading of deals (as much as possible), of lots of bonuses to be paid out on July 1st's of any particular year.
There's method to the seemingly madness.
Players (those not signed to a NMC deal, ie. John Tavares, the only Leaf with full No Movement) have lower actual cash out in later years of their deals, making them often easier to trade.
Also, players love the signing bonuses, for the obvious reason of getting their money earlier, being able to make it work for them earlier/longer, but signing bonuses in Canada are taxed at a significantly lower rate than salary.

My apologies if any of my math is skewed, long day at the office, but I wanted to answer this tonight.

Meanwhile Michael Hutchinson and his Colorado Avalanche are leading Dallas 6-2.
Hutch as Jack's partner? Naaaaaaaaaah :D
 
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gcostanza

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I am a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
I attack no one.
I like to deal in facts, rational thought, logic.
Pietrangelo is correct.
That's an easy one to stumble on, I often forget the 'i'.
I point out errors.

It's often 1 particular poster who likes to think he's smarter than anyone else on the board, though he has cronies.
That sort of individual deserves to be brought down a peg or two.
The same individual often posts ludicrous ideas, random rumours, with no substantiation.
When anyone questions him (I'm assuming it's a him), no answer comes, ever.
There's radio silence when he's called out on his bullshit.

What would I like to see the Maple Leafs do that is realistic?
Excellent question.

My answer will be a combination of what I'd like them to do, and what I think they'll do.
I suspect Frederik Andersen has played his last game as a Maple Leaf.
The goaltender market will be soft this offseason.
Toronto will be looking for someone to share (50/50?) the net with Jack Campbell.
If the Leafs can move FA31, they'll likely spend $2.5~$3Mm on another goaltender.
FA31 has a cap hit of $5Mm, but actual cash remaining of only $1Mm.
For a team looking to make the cap floor, he would be an attractive target.
FA31 is a good to very good goaltender, but not elite.
He does have a partial NTC, he can block a move to 10 teams.
If my guess is correct regarding FA31 being moved, that's $2~2.5Mm more cap space.

Sandpaper up front.
An easy, simple answer is resign Kyle Clifford.
If he's agreeable to a 1 or 2 year deal, at or below $1Mm a.a.v., I'm fine with that.
He's capable of playing in today's NHL, quick enough to keep up.
Certainly tough enough to protect himself and any teammate that needs it.
Can contribute an occasional goal as well.
Failing KC73's return, the club will look at another similar grit guy at similar $$$'s.

The Toronto Maple Leafs defence.

Ah, the $64 question, well, okay, these days, the significantly more than $64 question.
What is the Maple Leafs defence as of today for the 2020-21season, or whenever it starts....?

Morgan Rielly (2) $5Mm a.a.v.
Jake Muzzin (4) $5.625Mm a.a.v.
Justin Holl (3) $2Mm a.a.v.
Rasmus Sandin (2) $894,167K a.a.v.
Travis Dermott (RFA) GMKD will sign him, 1 year $1,471,467.
If he gets an attractive RFA offer from another club, take the draft picks.
That's 5 defencemen.
Martin Marincin (1) $700K & Calle Rosen (1) $750K are both under contract.
MM52 in particular gets slagged for his abilities, skill level.
He's not particularly skilled (I mean, as far as your average NHL defenceman) but he's capable of being a 7-8 defenceman.
Calle Rosen, has 20 NHL games on his resume. He's Marlies~bound barring lots of injuries.
Both contracts are easily buried.
Is Timothy Liljegren ready for a 5-6 defenceman spot?
If so, $863,333 a.a.v.


Now, is there a way to find enough $$ for Mrs. Pietrangelo's (not so) little boy.
Yes.
Toronto has 7 slots to fill on their 23 man roster
As of this writing, the Toronto Maple Leafs have $7,791,467 available to spend.

FA31 departs, we'll say his replacement makes $2.5Mm a.a.v.
There is another $2.5Mm in cap space.
It would not surprise me to see Andreas Johnsson traded, $3.4Mm a.a.v. for pick(s).
Ilya Milcheyev needs a new deal, I imagine (hope?) 1 year $1.5Mm a.a.v.
These 2 things occur, there's another $1.9Mm in cap space.
Nick Robertson makes the club, his salary will be $850K a.a.v.
I see Jason Spezza returning, on another 1 year deal, $700K.
If possible, move Alex Kerfoot (3) and his $3.5Mm a.a.v. deal
With the departures mentioned above, cap space is now $17,191,467.
Additions mentioned above, $3,450,000, leaving $13,471,467 in cap space.
Toronto has some holes to fill.
Should AP27 (he'd have to change # in Toronto) want to come home, a couple of options, sign a 1 year deal (highly unlikely), leaving the club with more flexibility until they have more available cap space.
When would that be?
Three years down the line, is my guess for when the cap may increase again, so yeah, no.
If he's uprooting his family from the only NHL home they've known, it's for 7 years.
My guess, in the neighbourhood of $8Mm a.a.v.
So, that would leave Toronto with $4M in space, with 4 spots to fill, around the edges.
Quite doable.

There are a few posters on here who bitch, whine and complain about GMKD frontloading of deals (as much as possible), of lots of bonuses to be paid out on July 1st's of any particular year.
There's method to the seemingly madness.
Players (those not signed to a NMC deal, ie. John Tavares, the only Leaf with full No Movement) have lower actual cash out in later years of their deals, making them often easier to trade.
Also, players love the signing bonuses, for the obvious reason of getting their money earlier, being able to make it work for them earlier/longer, but signing bonuses in Canada are taxed at a significantly lower rate than salary.

My apologies if any of my math is skewed, long day at the office, but I wanted to answer this tonight.

Meanwhile Michael Hutchinson and his Colorado Avalanche are leading Dallas 5-1.
Hutch as Jack's partner? Naaaaaaaaaah :D
The above said, trading William Nylander (well, anyone can be traded, #99 for example), would be stupid, stupid, stupid, barring an exceptional return.
A young, spectacular offensive, still improving player, signed for 4 more seasons, with a cap hit under $7Mm.
 
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Trading Andersen makes sense only if you’re getting another goalie who you think is better. Campbell is not the answer, at least he hasn’t proven he’s even a good starter. Nobody in the system looks ready. You can’t downgrade from Freddy and expect to have championship aspirations.

The knock on FA is that he hasn’t won a round for the Leafs. He’s prone to slow start in early season as well as giving up soft goals at the inappropriate time. Having said that, I still feel reasonably confident that the Leafs will make the playoffs with him in net. I’d also give him the benefit of doubt that the defence that he’s been playing behind is one of the softest defence cores in the league. With a better defence we may see a better Freddy. Without him or a better replacement, or huge improvements on defence, they may not even make the playoffs.
 

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Smuddan in terms of Anderson I am more on the side of gcostanza on the situation except I agree with you on Campbell not being the answer. It could be just a question of time and experience before the team starts winning in the playoffs but to me the way the team is configured right now I am not to confident. I know the game as really changed over the last few years but I never expected a team that had Shanahan as president to be as soft as this.
 

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From The Athletic (a worthwhile subscription, often available 30~50% off regular rates)

Top 10 U.F.A.'s that fit Maple Leafs' needs (and expected salaries)

10. D Dylan DeMelo 1 yr $1.4Mm a.a.v., or 2 yr $2.3Mm a.a.v.
9. RW Corey Perry 1 yr $1.4Mm a.a.v.
8. LW Patrick Maroon 1 yr $1.5Mm a.a.v. or 3 yr $2.9Mm a.a.v.
7. D Dustin Byfuglien Unknown Salary Requirement
6. D Chris Tanev 1 yr $1.7Mm a.a.v. or 3 yr $3.3Mm a.a.v.
5. C/W Joe Thornton 1 yr $2.1Mm a.a.v.
4. D Alex Pietrangelo 7 yr $8.3Mm a.a.v.
3. G Robin Lehner Unknown Salary Requirement
2. RW Jesper Fast 1 yr $1.6Mm a.a.v. or 3 yr $2.9Mm a.a.v.
1. D T.J. Brodie 2 yr $4.3Mm a.a.v. or 4 yr $5.4Mm a.a.v.

Any issues with the above, take them up with The Athletic
 

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gcostanza I know you are a big Leafs fan and like to attack anybody who critiques the Leafs
Mr. Costanza is a poor judge of player talent as evidenced by his numerous posts in this forum.

On the other hand, he (and Google) know Marner's cap hit to the exact penny and he has a great talent for spotting typos and spelling errors.
 

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Mr. Costanza is a poor judge of player talent as evidenced by his numerous posts in this forum.

On the other hand, he (and Google) know Marner's cap hit to the exact penny and he has a great talent for spotting typos and spelling errors.
Evidence of my poor judgment of player talent, please?

I have never once used Google to learn Mitchell Marner's cap hit or salary.
 

gcostanza

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Mr. Costanza is a poor judge of player talent as evidenced by his numerous posts in this forum.
There are likely more examples of my poor judgment of player talent in the 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs thread that some individual deleted in December.
 

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I am a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
I attack no one.
I like to deal in facts, rational thought, logic.
Pietrangelo is correct.
That's an easy one to stumble on, I often forget the 'i'.
I point out errors.

It's often 1 particular poster who likes to think he's smarter than anyone else on the board, though he has cronies.
That sort of individual deserves to be brought down a peg or two.
The same individual often posts ludicrous ideas, random rumours, with no substantiation.
When anyone questions him (I'm assuming it's a him), no answer comes, ever.
There's radio silence when he's called out on his bullshit.

What would I like to see the Maple Leafs do that is realistic?
Excellent question.

My answer will be a combination of what I'd like them to do, and what I think they'll do.
I suspect Frederik Andersen has played his last game as a Maple Leaf.
The goaltender market will be soft this offseason.
Toronto will be looking for someone to share (50/50?) the net with Jack Campbell.
If the Leafs can move FA31, they'll likely spend $2.5~$3Mm on another goaltender.
FA31 has a cap hit of $5Mm, but actual cash remaining of only $1Mm.
For a team looking to make the cap floor, he would be an attractive target.
FA31 is a good to very good goaltender, but not elite.
He does have a partial NTC, he can block a move to 10 teams.
If my guess is correct regarding FA31 being moved, that's $2~2.5Mm more cap space.

Sandpaper up front.
An easy, simple answer is resign Kyle Clifford.
If he's agreeable to a 1 or 2 year deal, at or below $1Mm a.a.v., I'm fine with that.
He's capable of playing in today's NHL, quick enough to keep up.
Certainly tough enough to protect himself and any teammate that needs it.
Can contribute an occasional goal as well.
Failing KC73's return, the club will look at another similar grit guy at similar $$$'s.

The Toronto Maple Leafs defence.

Ah, the $64 question, well, okay, these days, the significantly more than $64 question.
What is the Maple Leafs defence as of today for the 2020-21season, or whenever it starts....?

Morgan Rielly (2) $5Mm a.a.v.
Jake Muzzin (4) $5.625Mm a.a.v.
Justin Holl (3) $2Mm a.a.v.
Rasmus Sandin (2) $894,167K a.a.v.
Travis Dermott (RFA) GMKD will sign him, 1 year $1,471,467.
If he gets an attractive RFA offer from another club, take the draft picks.
That's 5 defencemen.
Martin Marincin (1) $700K & Calle Rosen (1) $750K are both under contract.
MM52 in particular gets slagged for his abilities, skill level.
He's not particularly skilled (I mean, as far as your average NHL defenceman) but he's capable of being a 7-8 defenceman.
Calle Rosen, has 20 NHL games on his resume. He's Marlies~bound barring lots of injuries.
Both contracts are easily buried.
Is Timothy Liljegren ready for a 5-6 defenceman spot?
If so, $863,333 a.a.v.


Now, is there a way to find enough $$ for Mrs. Pietrangelo's (not so) little boy.
Yes.
Toronto has 7 slots to fill on their 23 man roster
As of this writing, the Toronto Maple Leafs have $7,791,467 available to spend.

FA31 departs, we'll say his replacement makes $2.5Mm a.a.v.
There is another $2.5Mm in cap space.
It would not surprise me to see Andreas Johnsson traded, $3.4Mm a.a.v. for pick(s).
Ilya Milcheyev needs a new deal, I imagine (hope?) 1 year $1.5Mm a.a.v.
These 2 things occur, there's another $1.9Mm in cap space.
Nick Robertson makes the club, his salary will be $850K a.a.v.
I see Jason Spezza returning, on another 1 year deal, $700K.
If possible, move Alex Kerfoot (3) and his $3.5Mm a.a.v. deal
With the departures mentioned above, cap space is now $17,191,467.
Additions mentioned above, $3,450,000, leaving $13,471,467 in cap space.
Toronto has some holes to fill.
Should AP27 (he'd have to change # in Toronto) want to come home, a couple of options, sign a 1 year deal (highly unlikely), leaving the club with more flexibility until they have more available cap space.
When would that be?
Three years down the line, is my guess for when the cap may increase again, so yeah, no.
If he's uprooting his family from the only NHL home they've known, it's for 7 years.
My guess, in the neighbourhood of $8Mm a.a.v.
So, that would leave Toronto with $4M in space, with 4 spots to fill, around the edges.
Quite doable.

There are a few posters on here who bitch, whine and complain about GMKD frontloading of deals (as much as possible), of lots of bonuses to be paid out on July 1st's of any particular year.
There's method to the seemingly madness.
Players (those not signed to a NMC deal, ie. John Tavares, the only Leaf with full No Movement) have lower actual cash out in later years of their deals, making them often easier to trade.
Also, players love the signing bonuses, for the obvious reason of getting their money earlier, being able to make it work for them earlier/longer, but signing bonuses in Canada are taxed at a significantly lower rate than salary.

My apologies if any of my math is skewed, long day at the office, but I wanted to answer this tonight.

Meanwhile Michael Hutchinson and his Colorado Avalanche are leading Dallas 6-2.
Hutch as Jack's partner? Naaaaaaaaaah :D
All this blah blah blah....and the team you outline above is essentially the same as the one that sucks right now. No material, significant differences that would be considered true game-changers unless you get someone elite to replace FA31 (like who exactly?) AND swing a win for APietrangelo (why would he leave STL? Why would they let him go?). Keeping Muzzin, Marincin, and Rosen doesn't move the needle forward at all. Same with Engvall, Spezza, and Kerfoot. This team needs a MAJOR overhaul, and needs 1-2 elite players with solid playoff experience. This means some tough choices around the core. This means Nylander and Andersen have to move too. Or the most painful option - Marner. Anything else is a waste of time and really gets you nowhere of consequence talent-wise. Why are so many TML fans so afraid to make the big moves?
 
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