Nylander Trade Watch

[smuddan]

This thread likely will pinch some nerves of the Nylander fans, but imo this is the best route to take to improve the imbalance between forward and defence talent.

Nylander adds certain elements to an offence core that has proven very good for regular season, but not good enough for playoff success. Whatever advantages he brings in offence are mitigated by his defensive lapses and lazines.

This will no doubt be looked at as biased opinion and I admit that I‘ve never liked how he plays. Biases aside, with over 40 millions tied up for Tavares, Matthews, Marner and Nylander and 4 first round losses in a row, isn't it time to break up this quartet especially there are many holes to fill with the imminent departures of Ceci and Barrie ?

Tavares has no movement clause. Barring a “too good to be true offer” for either Matthews or Marner, Nylander should be the prime candidate if one of the four has to go. As far as I’m concerned, the only reason Dubas would trade Marner instead is because of his promise that “Nylander will not be traded as long as he’s the Leafs GM”.

You can play with words and say that’s not a promise, but to me what’s more pathetic than breaking a promise is to deny that you had made one. Dubas should man up and admit his mistake and do the right thing.

 

[glamphotographer]

I'm betting Nylander won't be moved during the off-season. Leafs will let Nylander play 30-40 games and when he has 15-20 goals or so to increase his value. And when Reilly or Muzzin go down with injury and Marincin shits the bed with a minus 25.

 

[smuddan]

I'm betting Nylander won't be moved during the off-season. Leafs will let Nylander play 30-40 games and when he has 15-20 goals or so to increase his value. And when Reilly or Muzzin go down with injury and Marincin shits the bed with a minus 25.

You may be right. Nylander should be able to put up good numbers and that’ll increase his trade value. Some significant moves will have to be made though as Ceci and Barrie are UFA and Dermott needs to be resigned.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I don’t think anyone is untradable right now...even Tavares. If he agrees to a trade they can still move him.

They need a legit #1 Defenceman...and it’s gonna cost them something to bring in a guy like that. But I think this group have plateaued. They’re not going to get any better until they address their Blue Line- they need Jake Muzzin NOT to be their best defenceman.

 

[Darts]

and Dermott needs to be resigned.

Dermott is a RFA but Dubas has a history of paying UFA money for RFA's.

 

[smuddan]

I don’t think anyone is untradable right now...even Tavares. If he agrees to a trade they can still move him.

They need a legit #1 Defenceman...and it’s gonna cost them something to bring in a guy like that. But I think this group have plateaued. They’re not going to get any better until they address their Blue Line- they need Jake Muzzin NOT to be their best defenceman.

It would look bad on Dubas if he asks Tavares to waive his no trade as JT supposedly took less money to sign with the Leafs. He would lose credibility in trying to entice another ufa in the future.

What I don’t know is what kind of d man can a Nylander trade hatch. Hopefully there‘s another GM like Dubas who values flashiness and ignores his shortcoming.

 

[Goodoer]

JT is the fucking Captain. He ain't getting traded. I'm cutting him some slack during these COVID times as he's now a family man with a baby. Matthews was their best player. Marner puts up points to be considered elite. The kids love all three. If any of them are traded, it'll be Nylander as he's the only one that can go. He'll be lethal in the league (elsewhere).

 

[John Wick]

There is also talk that Nylander isn't happy with some of the criticism he's been receiving, and doesn't like the trade rumors either and could opt to return to Sweden and play there if/when their league gets going again. He'd likely spin it as a health and safety thing under the umbrella of COVID-19/pandemic.

 

[smuddan]

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There is also talk that Nylander isn't happy with some of the criticism he's been receiving, and doesn't like the trade rumors either and could opt to return to Sweden and play there if/when their league gets going again. He'd likely spin it as a health and safety thing under the umbrella of COVID-19/pandemic.

Sounds like he’s issuing a warning to Dubas not to trade him !

 

[Darts]

Apparently, Nick Robertson, another forward, is ready for prime time. He will cost only an entry contract.

If Nylander returns to Sweden, I assume his contract goes with him. If yes, that opens up some cap space without Dubas trading away another 1st round draft pick.

BTW: The Habs have lots of cap space but Nylander doesn't fit the Habs mode like Gallagher and Domi.

 

[gcostanza]

For those (actual Maple Leafs fans, not whiny thread deleters who find no happiness in the club they cheer for) in such a hurry to remove William Nylander from the Toronto roster, I offer 5 words from a transaction that took place just a few years ago, that should give a little pause...."The trade was one for one."

 

[decoy2673]

Why do so many people hate Nylander lmao? Hes great I think, our #2 goal scorer behind Matthew's. He showed up to vs CBJ with 2 goals. Id rather ship Marner's ass out of here.

 

[Darts]

Id rather ship Marner's ass out of here.

That is one really expensive ass. His cap hit is over $11mm in a year where the cap is frozen. Maybe Dubas was hoping the cap would go to $88mm for 2020-2021.

 

[John Wick]

Why do so many people hate Nylander lmao? Hes great I think, our #2 goal scorer behind Matthew's. He showed up to vs CBJ with 2 goals. Id rather ship Marner's ass out of here.

I think it's his style of play...very soft, like many if not most euro players. Not many North Americans appreciate his style of play. That combined with the team's overall performance when he's one of the heavy payroll hits doesn't get him many admirers. On a personal aside, I wouldn't say exactly he showed up for the CBJ series. It was a low scoring series, but many expected more scoring from him, Matthews, Marner and Tavares. He's the worst of that lot, so many feel he should go first.

 

[glamphotographer]

Why do so many people hate Nylander lmao? Hes great I think, our #2 goal scorer behind Matthew's. He showed up to vs CBJ with 2 goals. Id rather ship Marner's ass out of here.

Nylander was crap in game 5 but he had great regular season. The Leafs need cap space, pandemic and the cap space isn't going up, Nylander offers the highest return, Marner isn't going anywhere as Dubas said.

 

[harrypalm]

They traded Kadri for D and that was a swing and a miss

 

[John Wick]

They traded Kadri for D and that was a swing and a miss

The Kadri trade was also heavily affected by context. Kadri had been suspended two playoffs in a row for stupid on-ice behaviour which each time significantly impacted the team's ability to win the series and move out of round 1. People in TO wanted him ridden out of town on a rail. Hard to get anything of worth for a guy everyone knows could never have put a Leafs jersey ever again without causing a riot. They were dealt a bad hand, and then weren't able to swing a good deal. I blame that one on the GM not having enough experience, league contacts and executive connections in his portfolio to work something out that could benefit the Leafs as a favor exchange based on long-term credibility. This is where guys like Lou and Ken Holland, Glen Sather, Bob Clarke could work something out while trusting they'd get something back as a favor later. Dubas holds no sway, influence, trust or credibility among his peers.

 

[smuddan]

The Kadri trade was also heavily affected by context. Kadri had been suspended two playoffs in a row for stupid on-ice behaviour which each time significantly impacted the team's ability to win the series and move out of round 1. People in TO wanted him ridden out of town on a rail. Hard to get anything of worth for a guy everyone knows could never have put a Leafs jersey ever again without causing a riot. They were dealt a bad hand, and then weren't able to swing a good deal. I blame that one on the GM not having enough experience, league contacts and executive connections in his portfolio to work something out that could benefit the Leafs as a favor exchange based on long-term credibility. This is where guys like Lou and Ken Holland, Glen Sather, Bob Clarke could work something out while trusting they'd get something back as a favor later. Dubas holds no sway, influence, trust or credibility among his peers.

That’s a fair and accurate analysis of the Kadri situation. I’d only add that the difference between us armchair gms and a real NHL GM is that we don’t have access to information pertaining to the availability of player(s) in a trade situation. That’s why I feel that a GM’s abilities should be judged on the impact of the moves/trades he makes. While it looked inevitable at the time for a Kadri trade, the end result will go down as a failure on Dubas’s resume.

Another trade that impacted negatively is the Marleau deal. I would have preferred trading Nylander to create the cap space needed for the resigning of Matthews and Marner. We could have used the return to improve the d, rid of a floater, created cap space and still have a first round pick.

 

[glamphotographer]

The Blues need scoring. Perhaps a Nylander deal for a right shot Dman to Leafs is in the works.

 

[Insidious Von]

Stop this nonsense.

No team will make a substantial trade for a cupcake with a bloated contract.