Another black man killed by a cop in Atlanta trying to escape arrest

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What is happening here is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. So far the left has been out and about, this officer gets sentence to death, we all better get ready for the race war that is coming.

How long have Jewish and Palestinians been fighting for?

What ever happened to common sense.

The most dangerous I have seen is the fact that BLM cannot be criticized, we all know what happens when political movements can't be criticized.
 

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The most dangerous I have seen is the fact that BLM cannot be criticized, we all know what happens when political movements can't be criticized.
Like Israel can't be criticised? What would you be criticising BLM for? For seeking justice? Can't be for looting since you're going to have to provide those opportunists were members of the BLM org or paid/encouraged by BLM

MLK was criticised too when seeking rights, so much so that Hoover and the FBI tried to destroy him. Why are people so opposed to equality?
 

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What is happening here is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. So far the left has been out and about, this officer gets sentence to death, we all better get ready for the race war that is coming.

How long have Jewish and Palestinians been fighting for?

What ever happened to common sense.

The most dangerous I have seen is the fact that BLM cannot be criticized, we all know what happens when political movements can't be criticized.
Yup...
 

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The cop also had no lethal threat to act on by shooting the guy as he ran away.

I don't know what taser they were using but most have only one shot ranged deployment and all other charges need direct contact. That means that if the guy did deploy the taser at range, it was no longer a threat as the guy was running away.

And even if the taser had hit the cop, his buddy was right there to prevent the suspect from doing any harm.
I think you are failing to understand that this is heat of the moment stuff here. The cop doesn't have the luxury of having minutes or even seconds to assess the situation. He doesn't think about the fact that the taser only has 3 shots in it. He doesn't think about the fact that his partner is likely right behind him with his gun at the ready just in case he takes an incapacitating shot by the suspect. All he see is a suspect fleeing a lawful arrest with a weapon in his hands which was discharged in his direction. For all he know in his mind it could have been a gun.
 

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I think you are failing to understand that this is heat of the moment stuff here. The cop doesn't have the luxury of having minutes or even seconds to assess the situation. He doesn't think about the fact that the taser only has 3 shots in it. He doesn't think about the fact that his partner is likely right behind him with his gun at the ready just in case he takes an incapacitating shot by the suspect. All he see is a suspect fleeing a lawful arrest with a weapon in his hands which was discharged in his direction. For all he know in his mind it could have been a gun.
He is now charged with felony murder, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon plus other 7 charges.

After he shot the black man in the back while not facing an immediate threat to life and/or serious bodily harm from a distance of 10 feet, he then kicked the dying black man like a dog who was now lying motionless on the pavement and proceeded to stand over him for over 2 minutes without even attempting to attend to him.
 
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Recent development: Note that Brosnan is turning State's Evidence. I wonder what deal he's getting for that.

(CNN)The Atlanta Police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks at a Wendy's parking lot last week was charged with felony murder, and the other officer on scene was charged with aggravated assault, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced Wednesday.
The decision comes just five days after Brooks was shot twice in the back in Atlanta during an attempted arrest. Officer Garrett Rolfe, who shot at Brooks three times, faces 11 charges in all, and officer Devin Brosnan, who was also on scene, faces three charges.
After shooting Brooks, Rolfe said "I got him" and kicked him, and Brosnan then stood on Brooks' shoulder, Howard said. The officers did not provide medical aid to Brooks for more than two minutes after he was shot, Howard said.
Their demeanor after the shooting "did not reflect any fear or danger of Mr. Brooks, but reflected other kinds of emotions," Howard said.


Brosnan has agreed to be a state's witness, Howard said.
"I don't remember a circumstance where we had an officer, particularly in a case this important, to step forward and say that they would cooperate with the state," he said.
Three of the counts against Rolfe are for aggravated assault related to a bullet he fired that hit an occupied vehicle nearby in the Wendy's lot. Brosnan's three charges include two counts of violations of oath of office.
Rolfe was fired and Brosnan was placed on administrative duty in the wake of the shooting.
Garrett Rolfe, left, was charged with felony murder, and Devin Brosnan was charged with aggravated assault in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks.


Garrett Rolfe, left, was charged with felony murder, and Devin Brosnan was charged with aggravated assault in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks.
Arrest warrants have been issued for the two and they were asked to surrender by Thursday. With the felony murder charge, Rolfe could face the death penalty if convicted.
Tomika Miller, Rayshard Brooks' widow, said she hopes everything in the case falls into place like it should.
"I'm really hurt. Father's Day is coming up and all I can do is just think about is what if my husband were still here," she said in a brief statement to reporters.
Asked about new details revealed by the district attorney, Miller began to cry and said, "I was very hurt. ... I felt everything that he felt just by hearing what he went through. And it hurt. It hurt really bad."
The incident began when police responded to a report of a man sleeping in his car in the fast-food restaurant's drive-thru lane. After chatting calmly with the officers and failing a Breathalyzer test, Brooks resisted when officers moved to handcuff him for suspected drunken driving.
Video footage shows the three fighting on the ground before Brooks grabs an officer's Taser and begins to run away. As the officers chase him, Brooks points the Taser over his shoulder at Rolfe, who then shoots him multiple times, the surveillance video shows. Brooks was struck twice in the back and died at a nearby hospital.
The police killing came amid nationwide protests calling for an end to racism and police violence against black people. Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields stepped down from her position in the wake of the killing.
Another demonstration was taking place Wednesday at the Wendy's where Brooks was shot, with dozens of protesters gathered and some blocking the road.


Police cameras show fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks 03:10
Brooks' family members, who are preparing for the 27-year-old father's funeral, said the two officers should have continued to pursue him as he ran away instead of shooting him. He leaves behind three daughters, who are 1, 2 and 8, and a 13-year-old stepson.
But some law enforcement leaders said the shooting was justified and protected by Georgia law -- which allows a person to use deadly force "only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person."
Steven Gaynor, the president of the Cobb County Fraternal Order of Police, defended the shooting by saying Brooks posed a threat and had assaulted the officers as he was getting arrested.
What Georgia law says about when police can use deadly force
"(Georgia law) specifically gives (the officer) the right based on the aggravated assaults and the threat (Brooks) poses to the public and to the officers there," Gaynor said. "It specifically gives them by law the right to shoot him. (Brooks) chose to make those actions. He chose to to do what he did."
However, some city officials and policing experts have said the incident did not have to escalate to a fatal shooting.
CNN law enforcement analyst Charles Ramsey said the officers knew Brooks didn't have a weapon -- they patted him down earlier in their encounter -- and could have continued to chase him and ask for backup.
"You've got the car. You've asked for his driver's license. You know who he is. So even if you don't get him right now, you can get him later," Ramsey said.
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms described the killing as a "murder" on Monday.
Part of the debate relies on the dangerousness of the Taser he took from one of the officers. The Taser is designed to be less lethal than a firearm, but it can be fatal in some circumstances.
Just two weeks ago, for example, Howard charged several Atlanta Police officers with aggravated assault after they allegedly used a Taser -- referred to in the arrest warrant as "a deadly weapon" -- on two college students.
"The training we have had for over 20 years tells us if they take your baton or your Taser, it now becomes one step more that you have to use deadly force," Gaynor said. "Because those can be used against you to incapacitate you and then take your weapon."
Officer had prior complaints
Rolfe, the officer who shot and killed Brooks, had several citizen complaints on his disciplinary record, all with notes that no action was taken, according to records released by the Atlanta Police Department.
He was also the subject of a 2016 use-of-force complaint that resulted in a written reprimand in 2017, the records show.
Rolfe was hired in 2013. Brosnan was hired in 2018.
Rayshard Brooks' final moments were caught on video. Here's what the footage shows
CNN has reached out to the department for more information on the records and has also reached out to the Atlanta Police Foundation. Rolfe and Brosnan have not responded to repeated requests for comment.
Brooks' family is now preparing to bury the father of four.
"They're planning a funeral. So anyone who has gone through that with a loved one they understand how tough that is," family attorney L. Chris Stewart said.
"When you actually have to go pick out the suit that your father or husband or brother is going to wear in a casket."
Brooks' widow previously said she wants both officers involved in the killing to go to jail.
"I want them to deal with the same thing as if it was my husband who killed someone else. If it was my husband who shot them, he would be in jail. He would be doing a life sentence. They need to be put away," Miller previously told "CBS This Morning."
CNN's Erica Henry contributed to this report.
 

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Recent development: Note that Brosnan is turning State's Evidence. I wonder what deal he's getting for that.

(CNN)The Atlanta Police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks at a Wendy's parking lot last week was charged with felony murder, and the other officer on scene was charged with aggravated assault, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced Wednesday.
The decision comes just five days after Brooks was shot twice in the back in Atlanta during an attempted arrest. Officer Garrett Rolfe, who shot at Brooks three times, faces 11 charges in all, and officer Devin Brosnan, who was also on scene, faces three charges.
After shooting Brooks, Rolfe said "I got him" and kicked him, and Brosnan then stood on Brooks' shoulder, Howard said. The officers did not provide medical aid to Brooks for more than two minutes after he was shot, Howard said.
Their demeanor after the shooting "did not reflect any fear or danger of Mr. Brooks, but reflected other kinds of emotions," Howard said.


Brosnan has agreed to be a state's witness, Howard said.
"I don't remember a circumstance where we had an officer, particularly in a case this important, to step forward and say that they would cooperate with the state," he said.
Three of the counts against Rolfe are for aggravated assault related to a bullet he fired that hit an occupied vehicle nearby in the Wendy's lot. Brosnan's three charges include two counts of violations of oath of office.
Rolfe was fired and Brosnan was placed on administrative duty in the wake of the shooting.
Garrett Rolfe, left, was charged with felony murder, and Devin Brosnan was charged with aggravated assault in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks.


Garrett Rolfe, left, was charged with felony murder, and Devin Brosnan was charged with aggravated assault in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks.
Arrest warrants have been issued for the two and they were asked to surrender by Thursday. With the felony murder charge, Rolfe could face the death penalty if convicted.
Tomika Miller, Rayshard Brooks' widow, said she hopes everything in the case falls into place like it should.
"I'm really hurt. Father's Day is coming up and all I can do is just think about is what if my husband were still here," she said in a brief statement to reporters.
Asked about new details revealed by the district attorney, Miller began to cry and said, "I was very hurt. ... I felt everything that he felt just by hearing what he went through. And it hurt. It hurt really bad."
The incident began when police responded to a report of a man sleeping in his car in the fast-food restaurant's drive-thru lane. After chatting calmly with the officers and failing a Breathalyzer test, Brooks resisted when officers moved to handcuff him for suspected drunken driving.
Video footage shows the three fighting on the ground before Brooks grabs an officer's Taser and begins to run away. As the officers chase him, Brooks points the Taser over his shoulder at Rolfe, who then shoots him multiple times, the surveillance video shows. Brooks was struck twice in the back and died at a nearby hospital.
The police killing came amid nationwide protests calling for an end to racism and police violence against black people. Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields stepped down from her position in the wake of the killing.
Another demonstration was taking place Wednesday at the Wendy's where Brooks was shot, with dozens of protesters gathered and some blocking the road.


Police cameras show fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks 03:10
Brooks' family members, who are preparing for the 27-year-old father's funeral, said the two officers should have continued to pursue him as he ran away instead of shooting him. He leaves behind three daughters, who are 1, 2 and 8, and a 13-year-old stepson.
But some law enforcement leaders said the shooting was justified and protected by Georgia law -- which allows a person to use deadly force "only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person."
Steven Gaynor, the president of the Cobb County Fraternal Order of Police, defended the shooting by saying Brooks posed a threat and had assaulted the officers as he was getting arrested.
What Georgia law says about when police can use deadly force
"(Georgia law) specifically gives (the officer) the right based on the aggravated assaults and the threat (Brooks) poses to the public and to the officers there," Gaynor said. "It specifically gives them by law the right to shoot him. (Brooks) chose to make those actions. He chose to to do what he did."
However, some city officials and policing experts have said the incident did not have to escalate to a fatal shooting.
CNN law enforcement analyst Charles Ramsey said the officers knew Brooks didn't have a weapon -- they patted him down earlier in their encounter -- and could have continued to chase him and ask for backup.
"You've got the car. You've asked for his driver's license. You know who he is. So even if you don't get him right now, you can get him later," Ramsey said.
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms described the killing as a "murder" on Monday.
Part of the debate relies on the dangerousness of the Taser he took from one of the officers. The Taser is designed to be less lethal than a firearm, but it can be fatal in some circumstances.
Just two weeks ago, for example, Howard charged several Atlanta Police officers with aggravated assault after they allegedly used a Taser -- referred to in the arrest warrant as "a deadly weapon" -- on two college students.
"The training we have had for over 20 years tells us if they take your baton or your Taser, it now becomes one step more that you have to use deadly force," Gaynor said. "Because those can be used against you to incapacitate you and then take your weapon."
Officer had prior complaints
Rolfe, the officer who shot and killed Brooks, had several citizen complaints on his disciplinary record, all with notes that no action was taken, according to records released by the Atlanta Police Department.
He was also the subject of a 2016 use-of-force complaint that resulted in a written reprimand in 2017, the records show.
Rolfe was hired in 2013. Brosnan was hired in 2018.
Rayshard Brooks' final moments were caught on video. Here's what the footage shows
CNN has reached out to the department for more information on the records and has also reached out to the Atlanta Police Foundation. Rolfe and Brosnan have not responded to repeated requests for comment.
Brooks' family is now preparing to bury the father of four.
"They're planning a funeral. So anyone who has gone through that with a loved one they understand how tough that is," family attorney L. Chris Stewart said.
"When you actually have to go pick out the suit that your father or husband or brother is going to wear in a casket."
Brooks' widow previously said she wants both officers involved in the killing to go to jail.
"I want them to deal with the same thing as if it was my husband who killed someone else. If it was my husband who shot them, he would be in jail. He would be doing a life sentence. They need to be put away," Miller previously told "CBS This Morning."
CNN's Erica Henry contributed to this report.
Apparently Brosnan lawyer states that he will not provide testimony in support of the State's case.
 

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Black Georgia sheriff says shooting of Rayshard Brooks by Atlanta police was 'completely justified'

Burke County, Ga. Sheriff Alfonzo Williams argued Tuesday that Atlanta police officer Garrett Rolfe was "completely justified" in using lethal force against 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks, whose death has sparked a new round of protests and controversy over policing and racial discrimination in the U.S.
Brooks was shot as he attempted to flee Rolfe and another officer, Devin Brosnan, who had attempted to arrest Brooks after he failed a sobriety test. Brooks had stolen one of the officers' Taser and attempted to fire it in Rolfe's direction as he ran.
"This is the third law enforcement agency I’ve been head of," Williams, who is black, told CNN. "Every agency I’ve gone to, I’ve required every officer who carries a Taser to be Tased with it, so that you understand the incapacitation."
"Five seconds; 1,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, 1,005. That's five whole seconds [when] if an officer is hit with that Taser that he, all of his muscles will be locked up and he'll have the inability to move and to respond. And yet he is still responsible for every weapon on his belt.
"So, if that officer had been hit, he still has a firearm on his side and the likelihood of him being stomped in the head or having his firearm taken and used against him was a probability. And so he did what he needed to do. And this was a completely justified shooting.”
"So you think lethal force here was necessary?" CNN anchor Brianna Keilar asked. Williams said it was and argued that the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution allowed that type of force. "There's nothing malicious or sadistic in the way these officers behaved."
Shortly after Brooks' death, Atlanta police chief Erika Shields resigned, Rolfe was fired and Brosnan was placed on adminstrative duty.
"It's very unfortunate that the law enforcement leaders in the state of Georgia have not come out and stood together on this case," Williams said. "I think it's political and it's senseless.
"We're sending the wrong message to our black youth. We're telling them that it's OK, that they can run from the police, that they can take a weapon from the police, they can fight with the police, and point their weapon at the police, and expect nothing to happen. That is the wrong message to send to black youth."
Brooks' case, Williams said, was categorically different from the deaths of George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery, which he said were "very clear, outrageous violations of policy and law."
The sheriff added that while law enforcement in the U.S. generally has problems with officers using force against black people, he didn't necessarily think that was the case in Brooks' encounter.
"It sounds like you don't know," Keilar said. "It sounds like you are saying perhaps there could be a possibility that maybe that escalation to the use of the Taser might not have happened then if it were a white man [under arrest]."
"I'm not saying that at all," Williams responded. "I'm saying that what happened in the Brooks case is completely justified, 100 percent. And an officer generally goes to work every day, he's not concerned about whether a perpetrator is black or white. He's there to do a job."
 
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What kind of intergalactic space-age medication are you overdosing on right now? Drive through this red light and stop twice at the next one ,all good? OK now push the yellow crayon up your nose and go to sleep the grown-ups are talking.
Ya, your right let cops shoot everyone with a minor infraction.
 

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Finally, the cops are uniting over this bullshit. If I was an atlanta cop I wouldn't respond as well.
So much for the rallying cries of "Law and Order!" and "Criminal Justice System!"

"What we have here is a failure to communicate" my dear cops and your jackboot defenders, because "what we have have here is the LAW AND ORDER and the CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM in action" that you rabidly and repeatedly espouse to defend, unless of course if it is LAW AND ORDER and THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM that provides the law, the order and the justice that you disagree with and which indicts you.

Typical hypocritical COP BULLSHIT. One law and order and one criminal justice system for everybody else and a completely different one for us cops
 
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Its been argued by me and others for the last 5 pages or so.
Try to keep up with the thread
Didn't think you would be able to compile a respectable response.
Cops shouldn't be killing guilty people either.
You cannot argue that.
Eat your gammy's meatloaf then go back into the basement and jerk off to cheap Chinese ammunition.
 

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If the cop gets tased by the perp in the eye. Then what?
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What if the suspect's movement scared a bird that flew into a branch that fell, causing an electrical failure which caused a piece of glass that got into his eye?

Unless that cop had a state of the art taser, there was no way that the suspect could have fired any darts at that time and more importantly, he was running away after trying so the shooting him in the back wasn't reasonable.
 

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No, because as he was running away he still could have aimed the taser back at the cop and fired at him. It's not like you have to stop and then point the taser. You can probably do it just as well as you're running away. Especially from the short distance that he was at
Not after the dart was already fired. Almost all ranged tasers are one shot only.

And if the taser did hit the cop, the cop would have had a muscle spasm but he had backup on scene to keep him safe at that time.
 

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I guess, the only time police are in danger and can use guns is when the criminal is actually firing at them....
Use of force guidelines are pretty clear even if (best case) panicked cops forget them. They are allowed to use lethal force when there is an immediate threat of serious bodily harm. They are not allowed to gun people down for trying to escape.
 
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