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Another black man killed by a cop in Atlanta trying to escape arrest

smallhatchet

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This is against police procedures everywhere I know of. Shooting somebody in the back because he "might" commit a crime?

By the way, Rayshard Brooks death declared homicide.
I highly doubt that the cop aimed 100% for a death shot while running after the criminal after a heated wrestling match and having a taser pointed at him?

It was most likely a lucky shot, if you will, that brought the guy down?

The good thing about the situation is that another drunk driver with total disregard for others lives was taken off the streets instead of an innocent family.
 

Gooseifur

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You are welcome to start another thread about how much crime black people commit in USA.

The discussion we had was that the police kills more white people than black people. That is a meaningless comparison, when black only represent 13% of the population.

Let us first get the numbers right.

Then you and smaallie can interpret the numbers any way you want.

While you are at it, you two may also want to look into how young black men are targeted by police and put in jail for trivial offences, while young white men are let off.
No you can't pick and choose which numbers you use. Ask yourself why blacks get killed more often per capita than whites. The numbers correlate. They committ many more crimes per capita. If you actually compare the numbers of peple killed by cops vs percentage of crimes committed Hispanics are the most likely to be killed by cops followed by whites then blacks. It's a myth
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
 

Smallcock

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This is against police procedures everywhere I know of. Shooting somebody in the back because he "might" commit a crime?

By the way, Rayshard Brooks death declared homicide.
Attempting to taser an officer is a crime. There's no "might" in that.

Assaulting officers is a crime.

Stealing an officer's weapon is a crime.

We've got at least three crimes committed before the shooting. Are you following?
 

Gooseifur

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You present meaningless statistics, because they support your racist agenda.
They are not meaningless, They prove that what is going on now is based on a false perception.
 

Gooseifur

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This is against police procedures everywhere I know of. Shooting somebody in the back because he "might" commit a crime?

By the way, Rayshard Brooks death declared homicide.
Of course. I had no doubt it wouldn't be. Let's see if he's convicted, then get back to me.Had he gotten away and hurt someone what would your position be? The cops have an obligation to protect society. Who knows what Brooks was capable of at this point. He had just assaulted 2 police officers and fired a taser at one. If he wouldn't have turned and fired I would agree with you 100%. It would have been the same as the Walter Scott murder in South Carolina.
 

Smallcock

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Yeah Brooks revealed to officers just how dangerous he is to the community after assaulting two grown armed police officers. At that point, getting him off the streets was paramount. It was their sole responsibility and obligation to do so. Someone in Brooks' mental state is not someone you want innocent people coming across. He demonstrated to the cops that he's a complete lunatic on the run.
 

danmand

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No you can't pick and choose which numbers you use. Ask yourself why blacks get killed more often per capita than whites. The numbers correlate. They committ many more crimes per capita. If you actually compare the numbers of peple killed by cops vs percentage of crimes committed Hispanics are the most likely to be killed by cops followed by whites then blacks. It's a myth
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
Listen for a moment. I did not pick and choose anything.

Small posted that there are more whites than blacks killed by police in USA.

I merely pointed out that that is meaningless, because blacks are only 13% of the population. Agree?

My point was: first get the numbers right, then we can interpret the numbers. Agree?
 

Smallcock

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My point was: first get the numbers right, then we can interpret the numbers. Agree?
We got the numbers and then interpreted them for you. Your refusal to understand them is like Brooks' refusal to be arrested. All balderdash.
 

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The good people who called the police on Floyd and Brooks are also "racists" according to the liberal's definition of racist. Would they have called police if Floyd and Brooks were white? People, stop calling the police when you see blacks committing crimes (sarcastic).

BTW: "Racist" police have upped their reward to $75,000 to anyone providing info leading to the arrest of T'Quan Robertson. He is wanted for shooting two black kids in 2018.
 

Gooseifur

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Listen for a moment. I did not pick and choose anything.

Small posted that there are more whites than blacks killed by police in USA.

I merely pointed out that that is meaningless, because blacks are only 13% of the population. Agree?

My point was: first get the numbers right, then we can interpret the numbers. Agree?
Yes but do you also agree that they are 13% of the population yet commit 40-50% of the crimes which directly correlates to their interactions with police? He also stated a fact. More whites are killed by police than blacks. He didn't lie.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Listen for a moment. I did not pick and choose anything.

Small posted that there are more whites than blacks killed by police in USA.

I merely pointed out that that is meaningless, because blacks are only 13% of the population. Agree?

My point was: first get the numbers right, then we can interpret the numbers. Agree?
You're still not getting it, are you? Its such basic math too, but you still dont get it.

Werent you the one bragging about when you left Denmark the collective IQ dropped so much because you were so smart??
 

danmand

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You're still not getting it, are you? Its such basic math too, but you still dont get it.

Werent you the one bragging about when you left Denmark the collective IQ dropped so much because you were so smart??
I claimed that the average IQ of both countries dropped a bit.

That was before I encountered you. Maybe I was wrong. LOL
 

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For many, statistics mean nothing to many, on both sides of the equation. The only thing that matters is the color of one’s skin, especially when the person dying is black and the person who did the killing was non-black. Even if the person who killed the black person was black, it then changes to a law enforcement systemic problem. Who cares that proportionality crime is higher involving black people. And like many people have said, it appears that blank against black shootings are common. Heaven forbid if in the recent Houdini shooting if the shooter was white and they shot an innocent bystander who was black. The protests would have been massive about how this was a racist act.

Frankly, I am sad of the state our society is in and am glad I live far away from the city that I don’t have to have close contact with what is going on there, at least until I have to start going back into the office.
 

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I would love to know the reaction of some of our more politically correct members here if they were in the shoes of the officers involved.

If the perp was resisting arrest, fighting back and grabbing at your holster, knowing YOU have a family at home and a job to do, putting YOUR life on the line everyday, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?????
That's a great question SH. Being a cop in today's environment in the states is a thankless job & at the end of the day the biggest thing is to get home to your family like you said.

So when the cops got there & ran him I'm sure they had an idea of who they were dealing with. He was calm & compliant until he flunked the breathalyzer & the cuffs came out, obviously knowing he was going back to prison.

Putting yourself in these officers shoes is not easy. After the struggle on the ground he managed to disarm one of them of their taser...just in that instance most cops would have shot you if not endangering the other cops life that was in the struggle. Resisting arrest is one thing, trying to disarm a cop is a recipe for getting killed...but desperate people do desperate things.

So the chase ensues & if he didn't turn around & point the taser at the officer that chase could have gone on for a city block. But as everyone with common sense pointed out when you point a weapon at a cop that can immobilze them you've left the officer with few options.

So if that was me & he turned my partner's taser on me I would have a shot him...hopefully in a non lethal way waist down. Any cop worth their salt from 8-10' with a Glock that holds 17 rounds should be capable of doing that. You get shot in the ass or thigh once or twice with a 9mm/45 believe me you won't be running too far you'll be on the ground screaming & begging for help.

Now before all you police experts weigh in & tell me about "center mass" let me tell you about a conversation with a retired RCMP after a few drinks in his garage couple years back. He served out in Edmonton in the drug squad in what he called the wild west of the late 70's & 80's. Had to discharge his weapon on dozens of occasions & said he killed less than a handful of people.

Said he lost count of how many Indians came at him with a knife over the years, said it was typical behaviour on a Friday or Saturday night! "That was always a mercy shot to the lower abdomen & didn't matter how big two shots they were on the ground moaning". They had a saying something about aiming low & aiming high & I can't remember it exactly. Basically aim low to wound them aim high & to the right to kill was the jist. Went on to say rightfully could have filled many people with lead but had a conscience & I didn't use any more force than he had to & some guys were the opposite. When he watched the Sammy Yatin video he couldn't believe what Forcillo did, "Fucking coward he said I'd spit on em if I could a disgrace to the badge".

Great video a few years back of a mentally ill dude advancing on a lone female cop with a knife in Vancouver, she new he was mentally ill & shot him once in the upper thigh when he closed the distance on her. A lot of male officers would have shot him multiple times & probably killed him, she used common sense & some compassion.

The taser is the best non lethal use of force out there, but when a violent felon takes that from your partner & points it at you...you have to neutralise that threat, just a shame he had to shoot him in the back i would have never done that no matter what training they gave me
 
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There was an episode on tv , it could have been 60 Minutes, about putting one's self in a cop's shoes when trying to arrest a man with a knife who did not want to comply. The civilian participants were police critics against police brutality.

There opinions changed when they went through the exercise- having to shoot suspect when he was at least 10 feet away because the distance can be closed by suspect very quickly. They understood how difficult a police officer's job can be in arresting someone that does not comply.
 

danmand

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There was an episode on tv , it could have been 60 Minutes, about putting one's self in a cop's shoes when trying to arrest a man with a knife who did not want to comply. The civilian participants were police critics against police brutality.

There opinions changed when they went through the exercise- having to shoot suspect when he was at least 10 feet away because the distance can be closed by suspect very quickly. They understood how difficult a police officer's job can be in arresting someone that does not comply.
I have a bit of a hard time seeing how that experiment relates to two policemen shooting somebody in the back who is running away.
 

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I have a bit of a hard time seeing how that experiment relates to two policemen shooting somebody in the back who is running away.
lets go step by step:
1. police found a drunk behind the wheel - arrestable for misdemeanor; they have a DUTY to arrest
2. suspect assaults them resisting a lawful arrest and takes their taser; this is probably more than one felony at this point, again, they have a duty to arrest
3. during pursuit, suspect turns and discharges taser at the police. (Officers taser at this point apparently is out of charges as he used all 3 he had). At this point officer properly returns fire.
4. In a split second the suspect turns around and gets hit in the back.

I say that the police did nothing wrong and it should not matter where the suspect was hit; it only matters WHY.

PS - If you people think that drinking and driving is not a big deal, where were you all when Liberals in Canada in the end of 2018 pushed through the controversial anti-DUI bill that took away many rights of drunk drivers?
 

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There was an episode on tv , it could have been 60 Minutes, about putting one's self in a cop's shoes when trying to arrest a man with a knife who did not want to comply. The civilian participants were police critics against police brutality.

There opinions changed when they went through the exercise- having to shoot suspect when he was at least 10 feet away because the distance can be closed by suspect very quickly. They understood how difficult a police officer's job can be in arresting someone that does not comply.
I remember that episode. It’s classic misattribution error on the part of average observers. They look at what’s happening from afar and believe things should be handled differently. It looks easy and simple from afar. But put those people in the exact same situation and they quickly learn how dangerous it is and why certain steps were taken by a trained person to avoid injury or death.

It’s like watching sports instead of playing. You look at a tennis player or basketball player and say “why doesn’t he just shoot from here or there, it’s be so easy to win”. It’s different when you’re in the game, and you quickly realize the skill it takes to play the way pros play. Kobe Bryant was fascinated by MJ and studied his every move. He wanted to play against MJ because he knew being in the court is completely different from watching. The speed, the strength, the pressure, the angles are all right in front of you. You’re inside it instead of watching it. You’re feeling it. Different worlds.
 

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Point a weapon at cop and see what happens to you.
The same weapon the cops already used on you?

Consistency. If the taser is a lethal threat than that cop was justified in shooting the guy when it was pointed at him. But why did the cop use that same lethal threat to try and restrain the guy? If the taser is not lethal then it is a reasonable tool for the police to restrain the guy but means it was not enough of a threat to shoot the guy as he was running away with it (where I stand).

Also, people supporting the shooting should realize that there are plenty of other options the cops could have taken without just letting him get away, especially as they already ID'ed him and had his car.
 
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