Buffalo Police Shove An Elderly Man To Ground Unconscious And Bleeding

[explorerzip]

No simple answer. If the old man was thrusting his smartphone towards them as he did it could be construed as an attack on the officers. Perhaps the tactical unit would not be there before curfew so the question is kind of pointless.

I only asked because you brought up the point that they were out past curfew. For arguments sake, let's say that the man was out well past curfew and did attack the cops and that's good enough reason for pushing him. That still doesn't excuse the cop for not checking on him or calling for medial assistance even though that's part his job. If it was a fellow cop on the ground he would be checking on him right away.

A lot has been said about the man who should be responsible for his actions. If that's the case, the cop then who did the pushing also needs to take responsibility for his actions. I realize that he might not have the first aid equipment to deal with incident, but like I said earlier, it takes little effort to check on the man to make sure he's breathing, if there are any other injuries and call in his colleagues. Instead, he just silently walked past.

 

[mandrill]

Living in another province is a requirement for becoming an RCMP officer only. My becoming a cop continues after covid is over. I really wish I was on the front lines right now.

It's fine to condemn bad cops, but in many of these protests, people are condemning all cops, which is lunacy.

Many in the protestors are saying really dumb shit.

That doesn't invalidate the protests. It just means some of the attendees are stupid.

And they DO have a point about the "culture". Granted many of the cops have some reason to be pissed. I'd be pissed if I was taunted and insulted too.

That said, firing rubber bullets at the faces of news teams, randomly spraying tear gas from squad cars as you drive by peaceful crowds, taking off ID and attacking demonstrators, beating people with batons are all pointlessly excessive actions. They are simply the sequel to the shit that got the protests started in the first place - police excessive force. And then you have photos of cops wearing 3%-er insignia or tweeting about laying a beating on the protestors.

Do I think there are 100's a great cops there just trying to do their job?... Sure.

Do I think there are 100's of great cops there, maybe a little over the edge because they're stressed and pissed?.... That too.

Do I think there's a minority of nasty motherfucker cops?..... Uh-huh.

Who's going to go viral when they're filmed doing bad shit?..... The nasty cops. And most of the others will fall into line and cover for them because that's what the culture requires.

 

[apoptygma]

Living in another province is a requirement for becoming an RCMP officer only. My becoming a cop continues after covid is over. I really wish I was on the front lines right now.

It's fine to condemn bad cops, but in many of these protests, people are condemning all cops, which is lunacy.

If you have 1 bad cop and 100 good cops who refuse to denounce that 1 bad cop, you have 101 bad cops.
Aside from not wanting to leave your mom's basement, ever... would you be a good cop, or a bad cop, tinydick?

 

[shack]

It's fine to condemn bad cops, but in many of these protests, people are condemning all cops, which is lunacy.

Nobody is condemning all cops. But this is a right wing ploy, take a statement from a leftie dealing with a particular issue and jumping to make the comment all-inclusive. For example, gov\t wanting to eliminate assault rifles is transcribed into the gov't wants to take away all of our guns.

 

[Smallcock]

If you have 1 bad cop and 100 good cops who refuse to denounce that 1 bad cop, you have 101 bad cops.
Aside from not wanting to leave your mom's basement, ever... would you be a good cop, or a bad cop, tinydick?

Where are you getting these stats from? It's hard to believe that you, shack, and Oagre actually believe the things that you post. You're so blinded by ideology that you can't see what's happening right before your eyes.

 

[K Douglas]

I'm 95% confident these officers will beat the assault 2 charges. There was no excessive force used. However, they may have seen their last duty at the Buffalo P.D.

 

[apoptygma]

Where are you getting these stats from? It's hard to believe that you, shack, and Oagre actually believe the things that you post. You're so blinded by ideology that you can't see what's happening right before your eyes.

Do you know what a "stat" is?

What part of my post is wrong?

 

[basketcase]

So all 57 members of the Buffalo Police Emergency Response Team have resigned as per the following quoted news report:...

Sort of shoots down the 'majority of cops are good' argument.

I get that cops are concerned that their colleagues rights are being protected in this case but I can't see how any good cop could look at what happened and give any support for it.

p.s. Their claims about union support are far off the mark. The union is why the guys weren't fired immediately and instead were suspended. The police brass and the DA were the ones controlling the charges.

 

[Smallcock]

Do you know what a "stat" is?

What part of my post is wrong?

What example do you have to demonstrate that 100 or 1000 cops have or would refuse to denounce the actions of a bad cop?

Incredible how all these intelligent, heroic TERB members and leftists can find nothing but problems with the 'majority' of police officers, yet none of them will become cops themselves. Perhaps because these same TERB members know how difficult the job is (having to balance protection/power with individual rights and freedoms) and would fall victim to the very same scrutiny that they place on current officers, and fail miserably.

All of you TERB members please become police officers and show us and the world how it's supposed to be done properly. lmao when pigs fly, right? Cowards...

 

[Smallcock]

Sort of shoots down the 'majority of cops are good' argument.

I get that cops are concerned that their colleagues rights are being protected in this case but I can't see how any good cop could look at what happened and give any support for it.

p.s. Their claims about union support are far off the mark. The union is why the guys weren't fired immediately and instead were suspended. The police brass and the DA were the ones controlling the charges.

If you remove your distorted lens, you'll see that they're showing solidarity against overzealous prosecution. Emotions are running high and it's politically expedient to not get crowds riled up even more than they already are, so a mistake is being treated as a malicious attack when most of the responsibility rests with the old man voluntarily placing himself in a bad situation at a bad time. The officers will get a slap on the wrist (hopefully). They showed compassion, and clearly did not intend to harm the man and nudged him to move out of the way. Have you ever pushed someone without realizing they're weaker than you thought or they were off balance and they fell further than you thought they would? That's what happened here.

 

[apoptygma]

What example do you have to demonstrate that 100 or 1000 cops have or would refuse to denounce the actions of a bad cop?

Incredible how all these intelligent, heroic TERB members and leftists can find nothing but problems with the 'majority' of police officers, yet none of them will become cops themselves. Perhaps because these same TERB members know how difficult the job is (having to balance protection/power with individual rights and freedoms) and would fall victim to the very same scrutiny that they place on current officers, and fail miserably.

All of you TERB members please become police officers and show us and the world how it's supposed to be done properly. lmao when pigs fly, right? Cowards...

57 members of the Buffalo police force.
That is all you need to hear.

 

[Smallcock]

57 members of the Buffalo police force.
That is all you need to hear.

You sir, are a radical lefty. Thankfully you don't represent the voice of most people, who also happen to be sane.

 

[Smallcock]

It’s happening...are you ready for the fallout?

THIS IS A CRISIS

Commisioner, Chief and hundreds of NYPD officers reportedly have resigned.

Mayor De Blasio is the one who should resign.

#NoPoliceNoPeace
https://twitter.com/thejimjams/status/1269808104666882049?s=21

Breaking News: A veto-proof majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledged to dismantle the city’s Police Department, vowing to create a new public safety system nyti.ms/3cJtAmN
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1269755811536015360?s=21

Lawlessness is now officially sanctioned in NYC: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/ma...be-charged-our-office-has-a-moral-imperative/

NYPD should all walk off their jobs. They're being told not to do their job anyway. Let the hooligans have their way.

 

[SchlongConery]

You sir, are a radical lefty. Thankfully you don't represent the voice of most people, who also happen to be sane.

Too afraid to admit that he was right so you defend yourself by name calling?

 

[SchlongConery]

Lawlessness is now officially sanctioned in NYC: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/ma...be-charged-our-office-has-a-moral-imperative/

NYPD should all walk off their jobs. They're being told not to do their job anyway. Let the hooligans have their way.

You will fit right in. Honest attempts to reform police to lessen excessive violence should result in gleeful retaliation against the society they signed up and took an oath to protect?

 

[mandrill]

I'm 95% confident these officers will beat the assault 2 charges. There was no excessive force used. However, they may have seen their last duty at the Buffalo P.D.

Shoving the old guy was legally "excessive force". The concept is flexible. What is not excessive force with a young, aggressive man becomes excessive force with a sick, frail old geezer.

 

[mandrill]

Lawlessness is now officially sanctioned in NYC: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/ma...be-charged-our-office-has-a-moral-imperative/

NYPD should all walk off their jobs. They're being told not to do their job anyway. Let the hooligans have their way.

No.

The DA says that protestors charged w "low level" crimes - undefined - will not be prosecuted. In other words, a law student or housewife charged w being out after curfew will walk on this charge. Says nothing about more serious crimes like looting or assaulting the police.

You have a lot to learn about law enforcement if you think that every last person charged with every last little offence actually gets processed all the way to trial. I've been let off speeding tickets because the cop was too lazy to write the ticket and I was polite to him.

Strikes me that the Manhattan DA - probably a hardcore law and order guy, if he's the DA - is doing a lot to avoid clogging the court system as well by tearing up these tickets. What's a judge going to do with 100's of students, housewives and assorted others flooding his court with this chickenshit. Probably tell them not to do it again and kick them out - w the assistant DA's blessing.

And yeah, it does do a lot to ease social tension. How's it going to help the state of things generally to relentlessly prosecute every minor infraction if the crisis is over???

I realize it will piss off every vengeful, frustrated rightie like you. But that's your problem, not society's problem. Get counselling. Go for a massage. Study yoga or meditate. You'll feel less anger, Smally.

 

[explorerzip]

If you remove your distorted lens, you'll see that they're showing solidarity against overzealous prosecution. Emotions are running high and it's politically expedient to not get crowds riled up even more than they already are, so a mistake is being treated as a malicious attack when most of the responsibility rests with the old man voluntarily placing himself in a bad situation at a bad time. The officers will get a slap on the wrist (hopefully). They showed compassion, and clearly did not intend to harm the man and nudged him to move out of the way. Have you ever pushed someone without realizing they're weaker than you thought or they were off balance and they fell further than you thought they would? That's what happened here.

Even if the man is 100% at fault for putting himself in that situation it still does not excuse the cop for pushing him and not attending to him. Maybe it's not the cop's job to do it, but how about the moral responsibility to help someone that you injured whether you meant it or not?

We'll see how a judge sees this. Maybe he'll consider that actions of the man or maybe not.

 

[moemoron]

Why is everyone focusing on the pushing only? It was a split decision which turned out to be wrong.

However, the official police report was not a split decision. The entire force colluded in preparing the report stating the man 'tripped'. No mention of why he came up, of warning, or physically pushing. This should be the real charge, fraud!
These officers need to be held accountable for falsifying reports.
The wrongful pushing can be looked at at an individual basis (enough training, did he provide warning, was he following 'procedure' in the state of Michigan?), but lying on an official statement/report - what training corrects this? This is the systematic issue, where the blue protects each other.

 

[apoptygma]

You sir, are a radical lefty. Thankfully you don't represent the voice of most people, who also happen to be sane.

Got nothing to respond with so you go all ad hominem.
What a surprise.