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REOPENING AT STAGE 2, with recommendations for Coordinated Toronto Reopening Strategy

frontman

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This idea is so flawed in many ways. Opening when there is no vaccine. Here are the problems agencies and customers will face:

1. If someone dies from infection and their family, estate sues the agency owners and provider
2. Hair salons aren't even allowed to open and that's not as close contact as escorting so how do you expect to open during stage 2? Hair salons probably won't be allowed to open until stage 3.
3. if someone catches the cough and is a super spreader guaranteed health officials will need to trace the source and what are you going to do? admit to your spouse and family that you caught it escorting?
4. it only takes a couple of deaths from some of the customers to really close all the agencies down for good. plus the lawsuits..you won't be escaping that agency owners.
 

kastoric

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Too early to open. The risk is still too high. Showering vigorously, wiping surfaces and screening clients won't mean shit once the parties are naked, breathing on each other and swapping spit.
 

escortsxxx

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I am very impressed with the R&D put towards this. Good for you.
 

bebe

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This idea is so flawed in many ways. Opening when there is no vaccine. Here are the problems agencies and customers will face:

1. If someone dies from infection and their family, estate sues the agency owners and provider
2. Hair salons aren't even allowed to open and that's not as close contact as escorting so how do you expect to open during stage 2? Hair salons probably won't be allowed to open until stage 3.
3. if someone catches the cough and is a super spreader guaranteed health officials will need to trace the source and what are you going to do? admit to your spouse and family that you caught it escorting?
4. it only takes a couple of deaths from some of the customers to really close all the agencies down for good. plus the lawsuits..you won't be escaping that agency owners.
6 years, 2 posts, both are complaints.

Please tell us what law is being broken when the flu virus is passed from one individual to another? Making a challenge in the courts to say a client went knowing to see an SP but I got sick with C19 therefore the girl or agency is responsible for my actions. No chance you could ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt when and where you became infected. Do you think the agency or girl can try to sue the client that made her sick in the first place before infecting a subsequent client...?

Just don’t hobby if you are that afraid of getting sick
 
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deezed

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Im volunteering to be the cannery (been on the sidelines do to agencies closed) Much respect to Bebe .
 

Careyguy

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The thought that someone is going to sue a sp or agency over death due to Covid is laughable. The odds of anyone dying are so slim. Secondly it is impossible to prove in any court of law how anyone caught Covid with any certainty. Lastly I’m quite sure governments are in the process of removing liability for Covid deaths so that the world can get back to work.
 

Careyguy

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When agencies open it should be business as usual. No amount of cleaning or disinfecting will make any difference. Both the clients and sps must assume their own risks. By now everyone should know the risks. If you’re in fear of catching Covid then you should avoid seeing any sps at all. It’s really quite simple.
 

whitewaterguy

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Don't bet that moving to Stage 2 from Stage 1 is just a matter of a couple of weeks. This is the government's position: "There will be two-to-four weeks between the launch of each stage to allow health officials to assess conditions before moving to the next one." So, after 2-4 weeks they'll "assess." The assessment will include looking for "a consistent two-to-four week decrease in the number of new daily COVID‑19 cases." "Decrease" being the key word. Not "flat-line" but "decrease." With some things open this weekend and with Stage 1 fully starting on Tuesday it will be interesting to see how the case numbers look by the first week of June. But there's no guarantee that Stage 2 will come 2-4 weeks after Stage 1. It could be 2-4 months or longer. And the suggestion in the opening post that "the criteria for Ontario Stage 2, in addition to allowing for larger public gatherings, allows some businesses to reopen that are more comparable to our work. These include physiotherapy, RMT/Massage Therapy, hair and nail services" is a leap of faith as far as I know. The government hasn't said anything about what businesses will be allowed to open in Stage 2 and which ones will have to wait for Stage 3. If I've missed those specifics, please share them with me.

I think most of the agencies have been very responsible in how they've handled this and I do appreciate the thought put into the issue of re-opening, and I recognize that the agencies have to figure out where they best "fit" in the plan - given that no government is going to say outright "OK. Escort agencies can re-open now." But remember that no safety measures put in place by the agencies are intended to make this business "safe." They're intended to make clients feel safer. But the intimate nature of the business makes actual safety pretty much impossible. I think the "no close contact until after you shower" is kind of silly. I'm all in agreement with showering - but unless you're going to somehow wash your lungs while you shower the shower is actually reather meaningless as far as COVID is concerned. Assuming you shower thoroughly you'll probably destroy virus that's on your body, but vaccine that might be hanging on your body isn't the big risk factor. Neither are hugs in and of themselves. It's the moment you breathe in the general vicinity of your companion (never mind kiss) - or the reverse - that you have potential spread. Showers don't solve that problem. I don't see how any "safety" measures this industry takes are going to be truly effective. They'll just make the clients feel better.

Now, the industry is obviously going to open again. And we're all going to have to make our own decisions, based on a number of factors. How concerned are we about contracting the disease ourselves from the companion? How concerned are we about passing it to the companion? How concerned are we about passing it to family? How concerned are we about being potentially responsible for community transmission? The companions will have to ask themselves those same questions. Some of them (I suspect) may not be exactly "comfortable" getting back into this work, but probably have no choice - no reasonable possibility of employment elsewhere (especially in the near future), limited income now, some have children to raise (and, given recent news about possible health complications in both Europe and the US for children who've contract the disease, they'll have to seriously consider that risk.) There's also (in my opinion) the serious possibility of the industry being harassed by the authorities (not sued, not even necessarily charged with anything - but harassed.) We've already seen a few instances of that happening in various places.

There's no easy answer to any of this and while I'd be generally more comfortable with a later opening than one in the near future, I'm certainly not taking the position that I'll stay away forever or until there's a vaccine. But I don't think I'll be making a booking right away either - and in any event until I'm given the green light to work in my office in the city rather than at home over an hour away it's kind of a moot point. I'm not around to partake even if I wanted to. But I understand there's no perfect timing for re-opening - and that even a vaccine isn't going to be a 100% solution.
Right on! Proposed rollout is a feel-good for potential customers . It offers a false sense of safety and security, and motivation to those already inclined to proceed . Does zero to prevent transmission
 

skoose

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This seems as well thought out as possible. Maybe it should be highlighted on each girls
page, a "New Service restrictions' section, where each individual SP's new restrictions are
listed (if they have new restrictions at all). I just think it needs to be transparent if certain
elements will no longer be offered so the client can make the decision whether or not to book.
 

drewstar

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This seems as well thought out as possible. Maybe it should be highlighted on each girls
page, a "New Service restrictions' section, where each individual SP's new restrictions are
listed (if they have new restrictions at all). I just think it needs to be transparent if certain
elements will no longer be offered so the client can make the decision whether or not to book.
Agreed. List of acceptable services (hygiene permitting) is important to note before booking.

I hope the HH option is still available if booking a sp you havent seen yet, but I guess Allegra feels this is a way of guaranteeing more revenue than before.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Agreed. List of acceptable services (hygiene permitting) is important to note before booking.

I hope the HH option is still available if booking a sp you havent seen yet, but I guess Allegra feels this is a way of guaranteeing more revenue than before.
I believe the agency’s purpose is to limit the number of clients each sp sees as a form of risk mitigation.

If I owned an agency, I would do the same. I would also boost my rates to $1000/hr- there will be a very limited number of bookings available and there will certainly be a demand in the market. There will likely be fewer guys overall visiting sp’s for awhile but the guys who do book appointments will be the real hardcore, borderline sex addict kinda dudes who can no longer stand being locked down or (more likely) have been booking girls off LeoList all along.

Anyway, these guys are desperate and will pay anything. They are like heroine addicts needing a fix; and I would gouge them accordingly!

That may sound harsh but frankly it seems entirely fair to me- if you guys wanna take on that kinda risk then you can pay for it. If workers in other essential services receive danger pay for coming in to work to during this pandemic then why should SP’s at my agency be any different?
 

StyleX

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Prices will not skyrocket. Rates are supply and demand. Both supply and demand are hit; fewer escorts, fewer johns, and more desperate unemployed girls / johns. Think you need to understand economics.
 

pahalwan121

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This write up is more professional, reasonable and well thought of than the newsletter I get from my tech unicorn employer.
 

hedo rick

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A thought occurs:
Why not coordinate opening along with massage parlours and strip clubs?

Yes, it's highly unlikely public health will give the go ahead "OK, it's fine for escort agencies to open now", due to the quasi-legal, semi-underground nature of the business.. but they likely will do so for MPs (licensed body rub parlours, specifically) and SCs (particularly, for lap dances).

You can argue the relative safety of each of these places.. but on a high level, I see them as mostly the same. Perhaps you could argue escort agencies can be safer due to mitigation measures that aren't really possible in a SC.. but not really by much. OTOH, DFK is.. uncommon to say the least at SCs (at least in my experience), while common pre-COVID for escorts.

I think that'd be a reasonable approach.
I don't see how you could justify opening before those other places, however.
 

Knuckle Ball

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A thought occurs:
Why not coordinate opening along with massage parlours and strip clubs?

Yes, it's highly unlikely public health will give the go ahead "OK, it's fine for escort agencies to open now", due to the quasi-legal, semi-underground nature of the business.. but they likely will do so for MPs (licensed body rub parlours, specifically) and SCs (particularly, for lap dances).

You can argue the relative safety of each of these places.. but on a high level, I see them as mostly the same. Perhaps you could argue escort agencies can be safer due to mitigation measures that aren't really possible in a SC.. but not really by much. OTOH, DFK is.. uncommon to say the least at SCs (at least in my experience), while common pre-COVID for escorts.

I think that'd be a reasonable approach.
I don't see how you could justify opening before those other places, however.
I dunno...but I believe that from a public health perspective larger public gatherings are more problematic than smaller meetings.
 

Saskatchewan

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Strange how Philip and Andy from Mirage and Toronto Passions haven't had anything to say in relation to this thread. Perhaps because they aren't in agreement with the proposed reopening timeline?
 

hedo rick

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I dunno...but I believe that from a public health perspective larger public gatherings are more problematic than smaller meetings.
And close contact is more problematic than physical distancing.
A stripper can wear a mask (presumably) and still provide non-extra services (air dances for everyone! hooray!). An escort.. can't.

You can go down into details to justify why one may be safer than the other, and there are arguments for both sides of that. But I see it as pretty much a wash.

If strip clubs are deemed safe to open, escorts are probably safe.
If MPs are not deemed safe to open.. how do you justify opening up an escort agency?

That's the way I see it, at least.
 

jcpro

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Guys! If you're not in the at risk group, just go see a lady and go on with your lives. The Chinese Virus is nowhere as dangerous as predicted.
 
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