Do you think agency rate will drop post covid19?

[squeezer]

Rates will go up drastically. The only way to approach this safely for a provider and the clientele at risk (~ 35% of men) is to see a single client every 14 days. Priority will go to high paying clients for multi-hours bookings. Any woman who has any relatives at risk will reduce drastically their availabilities.

I was one of those who took the virus too lightly in the initial stage (I'm still ashamed), but sensualists like me who could afford to provide "low" rates by having multiple bookings a day will have to change their mode of operation. I don't see for myself a future in the industry for in-person encounters, the stress of possibly making a client or relative sick will ruin my encounters.

I can't speak for all providers but I had to take my website down because I was still receiving too many inquiries, so I have yet to see proof of "providers will fight for the client's money".

To this date, I've been offered half-price by 4 of my regulars. I politely turned the ladies down but it is already happening. Once this is over, so many ladies will need funds and more clients will either not have the funds or fear getting sick. This should bring prices down and unless the lady is truly a 9 out of 10 with great service, not a chance she will survive the competition about to be unleashed when this is over.

The agencies will benefit the most with reliable service and fair rates in my opinion.

 

[sp free]

I am not seeking 14 days of compensation for one encounter, I will be limiting my encounter to 1 every 14 days, that's different.



I wear a mask in public and I prefer to avoid kissing stranger on the street.




I understand that the economic situation will change, but for a provider who used to see 6 clients a day 5 days a week = 60 encounters every 14 days.. Let's make it 50:

There will suddenly be 50x times less demand? And do you believe a sensualist who chooses to reduce her availabilities by 50 times will not result in an important rate increase and a minimum for multi-hours booking?

Jerking off is free.

 

[Taraparker]

It looks to like many of you guys are cheering for a lot of destitute women that will join the sex industry out of desperation who will charge bottom of the barrel rates. This is incredibly disheartening, and I truly hope that our lives don’t come to that. Let’s hope you’re wrong! Who the heck wants a deep recession/depression? Ladies joining the industry would need to only join if it’s worth it. Lets say they do join and the market rates are $120h...Do you really anticipate stellar service? I would expect for so little you won’t receive much in return, so get ready for disappointment. Cost of living, taxes, and inflation aren’t going down (probably going up) so it would be difficult for providers to justify extreme low rates anyway.

This whole market on post covid-19 Sex trade is so hard to predict (like everything else with this damn virus) , because this will be unlike any other recession. Most providers and clients were essentially forced to stop seeing one another. This has never happened before in recent memory. We expect to get a tsunami of inquiries from pent up gents when restrictions begin to loosen up. Who knows how long that demand will last, weeks, months? Nobody knows, but I’m almost certain there will be a time where it’ll be overwhelming for many providers, therefore at that point rates will either stay static or rise.

After this sudden influx of demand do I expect my income to be what it was before? No I don’t. However, like Adele, I will be aiming to be much lower volume with higher rates. I know for a fact that we’re not the only ones with this idea. Providers rates are very personal decision and now more than ever. providers will have different comfort levels and will all conduct business differently. But I also predict there won’t be many that have to resort to charging much less than before.

I do expect a sudden influx of providers.
But let’s not forget the massive migration onto only fans. Lots of women who would’ve joined FSSW in a normal recession have joined only fans and have built a following at this point and make a decent income. Many SW’s that were once entertaining clients in person will permanently stay online, and if they decide to keep in person work they’ll raise those rates to a premium.

I’m no economist, these are just my predictions, thoughts, and perspectives. I could be wrong, I guess only time will tell.

Stay safe and take care of yourselves,
Tara

 

[Carvher]

I would expect rates to rise. Demand for this service is a constant. Supply will have dropped.

I don't think demand will remain constant. Until there is a vaccine, most older guys will not partake including myself. Don't want to give it to wife, parents, etc. Won't be going to restaurants or public events. Won't be going on trains or planes either until there is a vaccine. I think the economic outcome from this will be much worse than most people or the markets are factoring in.

 

[J.A. Prufrock]

Frankly, I'll just be happy if things return to the way they were with MPAs and SPs, regardless if prices remain the same. Not that I ever took any experience for granted, but I will have a greater appreciation of each encounter knowing it can be taken away due to circumstances out of our control.

 

[Carvher]

Today Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the 'Dining At The Y' (DATY) Benefit for hungry and starved hobbiests.

The DATY benefit will only be available, however, when the lock down ends and the agencies return to their normal business activities. There was mention of also adding the BBBJ Benefit program as well, but Mr Morneau mentioned the Govt of Canada does not have endless and limitless funds, and Conservative leader Andrew Sheerer opposed the BBBJ program on the basis that sex should only occur between one man and one woman, within the institution of marriage.

To apply for the DATY, simply log in to your CRA portal. Only hobbiests who have frequented reputable agency girls in 2019 are eligible.

The benefit will cover 75% of one trip to an agency, with a maximum of 12 visits allowed within the 2020 calendar year. Money will be deposited directly to the nominated agencies' bank account.

Funny, but the way they are throwing money around, you never know

 

[fall]

Rates will go up drastically. The only way to approach this safely for a provider and the clientele at risk (~ 35% of men) is to see a single client every 14 days. Priority will go to high paying clients for multi-hours bookings. Any woman who has any relatives at risk will reduce drastically their availabilities.

I was one of those who took the virus too lightly in the initial stage (I'm still ashamed), but sensualists like me who could afford to provide "low" rates by having multiple bookings a day will have to change their mode of operation. I don't see for myself a future in the industry for in-person encounters, the stress of possibly making a client or relative sick will ruin my encounters.

I can't speak for all providers but I had to take my website down because I was still receiving too many inquiries, so I have yet to see proof of "providers will fight for the client's money".

Do not forget to add the expenses that you will have to pay to an independent company that will supervise you to make sure you had no sex in this 14-day period.

 

[Theredmilf]

Do not forget to add the expenses that you will have to pay to an independent company that will supervise you to make sure you had no sex in this 14-day period.

Why would she have to hire an auditor if she’s only seeing a couple clients where she’s built a connection of trust? I think Adele’s reputation stands on its own merits frankly.

I agree completely with both her points and Tara’s. The days of high-volume or even medium-volume escorting are over for most of us who are able. The days of high-profits are over too for a time. The pandemic changes everything. I have also adjusted fees and will be focussing on seeing less gents for longer engagements & exclusive arrangements. I dearly hope clients switch gears too: save for longer, less frequent dates; reduce the number you see, consider avoiding higher traffic locations.

To those clients who get it and have been supporting us through the lockdown in different ways, helping us transition how we do things, thank you. We see you and trust me when I say we’ll find ways to express our thanks.

I’m disturbed by the nihilism of those greedy to pick on the carcasses of a recession. My focus and energy will be going into rebuilding, hoping & helping us all to thrive, be safe & happy. We live in a great country & have a lot worth fighting for.

 

[fall]

Why would she have to hire an auditor if she’s only seeing a couple clients where she’s built a connection of trust? I think Adele’s reputation stands on its own merits frankly.

Because what she is suggesting is unsustainable. It means that she either (i) stick to 2-4 regular clients, or (ii) have any single client visit her 1-3 times a years or (iii) will not honour her advertised 14-day "quarantine". Case (i) means that she will simply become a "mistress", so, she may, as well, just stick with one client and see him exclusively. Case (ii) means that she will not have "regulars" anymore by the pure definition of the "regular. Case (iii) is what will actually happen unless there is some external control imposed (an impossible state of the world). With so little income and so little chance being caught, the "14 day quarantine" rule will be surely broken. Furthermore, since everybody will expect that, noone will offer a premium fro promised but non-verifiable quarantine, and, as a result, low total income will increase the incentive to break the promise. Simple logic.

What I expect to happen is some high-end SPs who have their own wales will go exclusive with them while everybody else will converge to highly-competitive low-price and medium volume (since demand is much less elastic than supply) equilibrium. A "high price low volume" attempt to differentiate oneself will not be supported in equilibrium.

Also, a few worst about "reputation". By definition, reputation is outsider's belief's of one's unobservant quality. In fact, good reputation is not as important as outsider's expectation that one wants to built or sustain the reputation. With deteriorating market conditions the latter become too costly

 

[squeezer]

I've been making a great income from custom videos, photos, and Skype sessions to answer your concern. There is also a potential for me to make a greater income than I used to as a sensualist and I have now made the decision to provide online content on a larger scale and on multiple platforms.

It's working because lonely men right now have no choice and its safer but once the same men can touch, lick, and feel safely they will drop their subscriptions and run to book.

 

[Soccersweeper]

well put. and as i wrote elsewhere, the average rate for paid sex is never going to go down as long as the cost of living keeps going up.

and there's the fact that this remains a stigmatized and partially criminalized profession, thereby limiting supply despite the mounting and constant demand. and the fact that for a lot of SPs, this is just a part-time thing. moreover, the more desperate an SP looks, the less desired she is. the lower an SP sets her rates, the more it signals a certain class position, which is definitely a factor clients consider when booking - particularly the clients who are looking to book someone they themselves can imagine themselves dating. not to mention as redmilf alluded to, the higher the rates, the lower the volume of clientele she sees, and how for many clients, this is a desired trait in the SPs they decide to book. having sex more than once or twice a day for weeks on end is just not conducive to excellent sex, paid or otherwise.

most of the threads on here about rates falling in the sex industry is just wishful thinking by clients who are unable or unwilling to pay the rates you need to pay in order to book quality escorts.

A Depression will most certainly cause average prices to fall while costs of living rise. This happened in the last recessions and certainly the last Depression. While some columnists go on about possible inflation from all the money being thrown around, the real concern is deflation, and has been for the past few years before this started. The scenario I keep seeing discussed is what happens if producers can get back up to speed pretty quickly but the effect of all these layoffs combined with lasting social distancing, etc is that people don't spend? Then you have an oversupply problem and prices drop. For what it's worth, the quick takeaways from China reopening are that people are not going out ( ie to restaurants where you have to sit 6 feet from your guests even) or spending very much at all, with the exception of increased car sales to avoid using public transit.

As others have said, on average people will have both less money to spend and less opportunity or willingness for health reasons, etc. and so discretionary spending will fall. And the supply of ladies will likely increase due to the depression. I'm sure there will be exceptions for higher tiered providers with a loyal client roster who can command a premium from those not hurting and willing to spend, but the average price will certainly fall. One thing I've always remembered from my economic history class was my professor saying "If you had money, the Depression was a great time to be alive as everything was cheap." Well heeled companies are looking to purchase right now and so too will their testosterone fuelled executives.

 

[Smallcock]

The price for sex is relative to the incomes in the general population. This is why prostitution is cheap in 3rd world countries compared to here, and why prostitution is much more expensive in NYC (differences in legality notwithstanding). The females here are exactly the same as they are there, only the price for access differs. If the general population goes broke, escort rates will drop in synchrony. If it's anything like the depression of the 1930s, some husbands will not mind having their wives moonlight as escorts to bring home much needed additional income. In other words, I think supply will remain consistent or balloon when money becomes tight. It certainly doesn't hurt to supplement escort income with online revenue streams too.

 

[bigshot]

It looks to like many of you guys are cheering for a lot of destitute women that will join the sex industry out of desperation who will charge bottom of the barrel rates. This is incredibly disheartening, and I truly hope that our lives don’t come to that. Let’s hope you’re wrong! Who the heck wants a deep recession/depression? Ladies joining the industry would need to only join if it’s worth it. Lets say they do join and the market rates are $120h...Do you really anticipate stellar service? I would expect for so little you won’t receive much in return, so get ready for disappointment. Cost of living, taxes, and inflation aren’t going down (probably going up) so it would be difficult for providers to justify extreme low rates anyway.

This whole market on post covid-19 Sex trade is so hard to predict (like everything else with this damn virus) , because this will be unlike any other recession. Most providers and clients were essentially forced to stop seeing one another. This has never happened before in recent memory. We expect to get a tsunami of inquiries from pent up gents when restrictions begin to loosen up. Who knows how long that demand will last, weeks, months? Nobody knows, but I’m almost certain there will be a time where it’ll be overwhelming for many providers, therefore at that point rates will either stay static or rise.

After this sudden influx of demand do I expect my income to be what it was before? No I don’t. However, like Adele, I will be aiming to be much lower volume with higher rates. I know for a fact that we’re not the only ones with this idea. Providers rates are very personal decision and now more than ever. providers will have different comfort levels and will all conduct business differently. But I also predict there won’t be many that have to resort to charging much less than before.

I do expect a sudden influx of providers.
But let’s not forget the massive migration onto only fans. Lots of women who would’ve joined FSSW in a normal recession have joined only fans and have built a following at this point and make a decent income. Many SW’s that were once entertaining clients in person will permanently stay online, and if they decide to keep in person work they’ll raise those rates to a premium.

I’m no economist, these are just my predictions, thoughts, and perspectives. I could be wrong, I guess only time will tell.

Stay safe and take care of yourselves,
Tara

Tara, you seem to have a well thought out business plan and are well prepared to move ahead when all of this is over. I do, however, have a few random thoughts relating to your post. First, I agree that it would be unfortunate if members here were cheering for destitute women to engage in this business. I hope this is not a commonly held position. While I don't have a crystal ball, the one thing that I am certain about is the fact that most people have no idea of the degree that the economy will deteriorate, even after the restrictions are lifted. The loss of economic activity is already being felt by businesses who are having a great deal of pressure to reduce their operating margins in order to maintain current business agreements. In an environment of reduced economic activity, for people who are without work, or those who will be working at a reduced rate, $120h might start to look good . Those who have already lost their jobs in the service industry still need to put food on the table.

My personal belief is that most businesses that survive will have a bumpy road to recovery. As much as I would like to rejoin this hobby, I doubt that I will be rushing back to my favourite SP given the health concerns that it presents. We will make these decisions as individuals, but in the short term I believe that there will be reluctance to have such intimate encounters that we all took so lightly prior to the pandemic.

Please stay well, take care of yourself, and let's see where this takes us...

 

[fall]

The reason why some SP believe that the price will go up reminds me an old joke: A person went to the market to buy potatoes. All but one farmer sell potatoes for $5/box while that one sells them for $20. "Why are you selling you potatoes for $20 when others sells them for $5" asked the man. "Because I need money more than others" replied the farmer.

 

[rhboatman]

You may want to work on your joining the dots, especially if you want to compare providers with vegetables. Why do you pay a premium for cherries offseason? Because the quantity is limited and if you crave cherries an apple won't do. If we were all "potatoes" providing the exact same "value" there would be no use for this review board.

Wow your offering your Cherry? :yo:
I guess after 2 months we're all feeling like virgins

 

[bebe]

Wow your offering your Cherry? :yo:
I guess after 2 months we're all feeling like virgins

Will be 4 months by time the agencies reopen...I want to be first in line!!

 

[Ceiling Cat]

We have already seen a big hit in the stock market. Stocks took a dive sown to 25-33% and then recovering to 30-40% of previous levels. The two things to watch for is the number of job cuts and housing prices in the next 2-3 months. Anyone who owned stocks, has or will lose a job, and people that suffer reduced worth in their homes and property will feel the hit. So the people that actually are getting less money or have taken a financial hit ( even just on paper ) will be careful on spending. Then there are the nervous Nellies that still have a job and have not taken a hit will be freaked out.

The hobby being a luxury will be the first to take a hit because some people will stay away because they fear catching something, some will stop because they can not or think they can no longer afford it and some will hobby less. There will be a minority that hobby on as before but the numbers for these guys will not be as it was just a few short months ago.

I am expecting a second hit on the stock market, loss of jobs and lower prices on property because there will be no buyers for the next three years. Also watch for an uptick in crime.

 

[fall]

You may want to work on your joining the dots, especially if you want to compare providers with vegetables. Why do you pay a premium for cherries offseason? Because the quantity is limited and if you crave cherries an apple won't do. If we were all "potatoes" providing the exact same "value" there would be no use for this review board.

The SP market is a monopolistic competition market with addition of perfect competition provided by agencies and new indis. You have many several producers (established independent SPs, a.k.s., monopolists) who produce slightly different product (their services) and you have new indis and agencies who provide approximately homogeneous product. In equilibrium, the price for homogeneous product is approximately the same for all producers (agencies and new indis). With higher supply and lower demand, this price will go down. Now, the demand for services provided by monopolists who provide slightly different product (established indis) negatively depends on the price of the substitute product (agency girls and new SPs), hence, the demand will go down. The price for established SPs, however, will depend on how inelastic their supply become at the price level they chose (i.e., how loyal their most loyal clients are). If such supply is inelastic (i.e., most loyal clients will remain loyal regardless of the price), the price will go up, number of clients and income go down. If it is elastic (i.e., loyal clients will not tolerate significant price increase when outside options become cheaper but still offer the same quality as before) - then such indi will have to decrease her price too. Basic Microeconomics.

 

[shack]

The SP market is a monopolistic competition market with addition of perfect competition provided by agencies and new indis. You have many several producers (established independent SPs, a.k.s., monopolists) who produce slightly different product (their services) and you have new indis and agencies who provide approximately homogeneous product. In equilibrium, the price for homogeneous product is approximately the same for all producers (agencies and new indis). With higher supply and lower demand, this price will go down. Now, the demand for services provided by monopolists who provide slightly different product (established indis) negatively depends on the price of the substitute product (agency girls and new SPs), hence, the demand will go down. The price for established SPs, however, will depend on how inelastic their supply become at the price level they chose (i.e., how loyal their most loyal clients are). If such supply is inelastic (i.e., most loyal clients will remain loyal regardless of the price), the price will go up, number of clients and income go down. If it is elastic (i.e., loyal clients will not tolerate significant price increase when outside options become cheaper but still offer the same quality as before) - then such indi will have to decrease her price too. Basic Microeconomics.

Impressive analysis.

 

[asuran]

The SP market is a monopolistic competition market with addition of perfect competition provided by agencies and new indis. You have many several producers (established independent SPs, a.k.s., monopolists) who produce slightly different product (their services) and you have new indis and agencies who provide approximately homogeneous product. In equilibrium, the price for homogeneous product is approximately the same for all producers (agencies and new indis). With higher supply and lower demand, this price will go down. Now, the demand for services provided by monopolists who provide slightly different product (established indis) negatively depends on the price of the substitute product (agency girls and new SPs), hence, the demand will go down. The price for established SPs, however, will depend on how inelastic their supply become at the price level they chose (i.e., how loyal their most loyal clients are). If such supply is inelastic (i.e., most loyal clients will remain loyal regardless of the price), the price will go up, number of clients and income go down. If it is elastic (i.e., loyal clients will not tolerate significant price increase when outside options become cheaper but still offer the same quality as before) - then such indi will have to decrease her price too. Basic Microeconomics.

To be fair that is only if things are ceteris paribus.

We see different providers because we know that every provider provide a different experience for us.

Heck, if every experience is homogeneous and the same, wouldn't it be financially better to just spend more time with your SO and get it from her? She can provide you the exact same service right?

The reality is this is not a truly homogeneous industry. The most simplest explanation is we have the desire to keep seeing different providers because of the difference.

Also because we are in a capitalistic society. Gotta capitalize everything.