Do you think agency rate will drop post covid19?

Do you think agency rate will drop post covid19?

  • yes, it will drop

    Votes: 44 33.6%
  • no, it will stay the same

    Votes: 87 66.4%

  • Total voters
    131

daywalker11

Mongerer
Dec 27, 2011
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Toronto
What if DFK, LFK, DATY and any face to face positions are off the table. How much would you be willing to pay then? I am beginning to think modified services will be the norm and in that case we should see a decrease in rates.
 

bigshot

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Aug 16, 2003
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Hairdressers and other service providers would want to charge more when things open up, but that won't happen. There will also always be a new group of young providers that won't look at what was normal and what is not. They will just want the agencies to get them bookings.

With the strong economy in recent years, rates seemed to be increasing. It makes sense there would be some impact from a recession.
I found your observations about hairdressers to be intriguing. Countless women will be lined up to have their hair styled and to return to their hair colour of choice. While today's stylists are used to getting pretty good coin for their service, and will also hope to make back some of their lost revenue, it won't happen. Their loyal clients will not put up with increased pricing in the midst of a recession. The opportunity for an SP to increase her rates will likely mirror this situation...
 

wigglee

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Oct 13, 2010
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By post covid, do you mean after 2 years? Because business is gonna be slow at least til then.
 
What if DFK, LFK, DATY, and any face to face positions are off the table. How much would you be willing to pay then? I am beginning to think modified services will be the norm and in that case we should see a decrease in rates.
These acts are not high risk vs. just touching the skin and then touching the face, which exposes eye membranes etc. it can travel to. Vaginal fluids to not carry the virus just casual contact, even not touching, but breathing in virus from someone talking is a risk vs. sex acts. Interestingly the virus is not "alive" but a protein etc. that interacts with the body cells.

There is also an interesting extensive study traces back 300 years of data on why women are less affected than men. The theory supported by research is the XX with the extra X (vs. XY of men) chromosome has more immune-supporting genes, and in the double helix, females with two XX's sort of having double protection. I may be screwing up exact terms. Men with the XY have more muscle mass and other stuff vs. more immune system support. Of course, men also tend to drink and smoke more and other contributing factors.

A recent study showed the number one co-cause in men that died from the virus was Obesity. Age is still the number one factor since older men (me) have weaker immune systems overall. But the largest co-factor was obesity with a BRM of 40 or over. Fortunately, while I am old am in good health otherwise with no other risk factors haven't had a cold for years etc.
 

WyattEarp

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May 17, 2017
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What if DFK, LFK, DATY and any face to face positions are off the table. How much would you be willing to pay then? I am beginning to think modified services will be the norm and in that case we should see a decrease in rates.
I'd like to see some research on whether the virus can be transmitted doggy style.
 

Smallcock

Active member
Jun 5, 2009
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Of course it's going to drop. Last month SPs were already trading sex for toilet paper. By next year they'll be trading sex for grains of rice.
 

Smallcock

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Jun 5, 2009
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A dinner date with your favorite SP will soon involve two plastic cups of tap water and a slice of bread for the main course. If you're more adventurous you'll both dine together at the local Food Bank.
 

oil&gas

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Apr 16, 2002
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Ghawar
Top end SPs will get more business from rich clients
who would be getting richer with profits from a V-shaped
post-Covid market rebound.
 

Pokerdude87

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Feb 1, 2018
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Even though no one really knows, I can only speak for what I will do. I’m very fortunate in that I’m in the import/export business for both food and cleaners and our business has been very strong. So one would think I will be doubling my hobby efforts. No not at all. Having said that, I definitely will not be running back to hobbying so quickly. I’m sure I’m not alone and many men will think twice before jeopardizing their health and life. Just me 2 cents
 

surferboy

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Jan 7, 2014
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Rates will go up drastically. The only way to approach this safely for a provider and the clientele at risk (~ 35% of men) is to see a single client every 14 days. Priority will go to high paying clients for multi-hours bookings. Any woman who has any relatives at risk will reduce drastically their availabilities.

I was one of those who took the virus too lightly in the initial stage (I'm still ashamed), but sensualists like me who could afford to provide "low" rates by having multiple bookings a day will have to change their mode of operation. I don't see for myself a future in the industry for in-person encounters, the stress of possibly making a client or relative sick will ruin my encounters.

I can't speak for all providers but I had to take my website down because I was still receiving too many inquiries, so I have yet to see proof of "providers will fight for the client's money".
That's very admiral of you seeing one client every 14 days, but if your missing 10 or 12 clients I don't think you'll be able to charge 3-4k per hour for your exclusivity & lost revenue. I can see some providers using this as a selling point & doubt very much guys will buy into it. But hey you never know, some guys are paying hundreds for virtual dates lol
 

Ceiling Cat

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Feb 25, 2009
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Rates will go up drastically. The only way to approach this safely for a provider and the clientele at risk (~ 35% of men) is to see a single client every 14 days. Priority will go to high paying clients for multi-hours bookings. Any woman who has any relatives at risk will reduce drastically their availabilities.

You assume economic conditions will stay relatively the same. In a deep recession there may be reductions in staff and management. That business owner that previously stepped out and told everyone he will go for lunch and then Staples and be back by 2:00 pm will no longer be able to do so or must manage his business himself, That middle management guy that worked for a big corporation will find himself swamped because he is doing the job of two managers and can not come and see you, the other manager will have been laid off and is now unemployed and can not come and see you. No client will pay an SP to cover her 14 day takings. This mythical client is also walking among the public, so taking the one client per 14 days will not protect you.
What the future holds will depend on how deep the coming recession is. There was one coming pre crisis as one comes on a 8-9 year cycle. The average person in Canada will have lost 6-8 weeks of work when the crisis diminishes. The government will have spent multi billions on this matter ( if not trillions ) There will be less taxes paid and collected next year. Soon you will see businesses shutting down from the hit we took with the crisis and many cutting back. There will be less consumer spending out there, especially on luxuries such as SP visits.

Will some SPs be offering lower prices, the answer is some will and some will not. The ones that get enough clients will keep prices the same. There will be some that will not get enough clients and will cut prices or offer temporary or one time specials. There may even be an influx of ladies that previously worked as SPs and now return to the biz, as well as part timers.
 

bebe

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Aug 17, 2001
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We need to take the same position as the Governments, flattening the price curves is not acceptable. We cannot hobby until there is a downward trajectory. Say $150 an hour vs $250 an hour. Only then can we open the taps LOL
 

Saskatchewan

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Jan 20, 2010
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DATY Benefit

Today Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the 'Dining At The Y' (DATY) Benefit for hungry and starved hobbiests.

The DATY benefit will only be available, however, when the lock down ends and the agencies return to their normal business activities. There was mention of also adding the BBBJ Benefit program as well, but Mr Morneau mentioned the Govt of Canada does not have endless and limitless funds, and Conservative leader Andrew Sheerer opposed the BBBJ program on the basis that sex should only occur between one man and one woman, within the institution of marriage.

To apply for the DATY, simply log in to your CRA portal. Only hobbiests who have frequented reputable agency girls in 2019 are eligible.

The benefit will cover 75% of one trip to an agency, with a maximum of 12 visits allowed within the 2020 calendar year. Money will be deposited directly to the nominated agencies' bank account.
 
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