DoFo government admits new licence plates 'absolutely' a problem, will need to be rec

apoptygma

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"less defective"? Were they defective or not?
New plates: Installed in the morning, defective after sunset.
Old plates: Installed on day 1. Start peeling on day???? 50? 100? 200? 300?

Your arguments just make you look stupid.
 

Boober69

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Wow what a revelation! Ford picked the plates. Who would you have expected to select from the designs presented Horwath?
Jeezuz the non-stories people cling to.
 

Boober69

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New plates: Installed in the morning, defective after sunset.
Old plates: Installed on day 1. Start peeling on day???? 50? 100? 200? 300?

Your arguments just make you look stupid.
So you agree the old plates were defective? Good. now we can move on.
Too bad the Liberals took 15 years to figure that out and did nothing about them.
At least the PC's addressed the issue quickly.
 

Frankfooter

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So you agree the old plates were defective? Good. now we can move on.
Too bad the Liberals took 15 years to figure that out and did nothing about them.
At least the PC's addressed the issue quickly.
There was nothing wrong with those plates.
Which is why Druggie will go back to them instead of his failed design.
 

SaturnFan

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So you agree the old plates were defective?
Not all the ‘old’ plates are defective. Only certain runs of the plates peeled. There are still lots of plates in circulation that are many years old and in acceptable condition to be visible & readable 24 hours per day.

All Dofo needed to do was to go to 3M at the beginning of this fiasco and do what he’s supposedly doing now - keep the same blue on white design and make them so they are readable and don’t peel. Perhaps if he had done this originally he might not have got all the flak he did about the ‘Place to Grow’ slogan.

The Ontario taxpayer will never know what this whole fiasco will cost - storage and eventual recycling costs of the unused ‘old’ plates; and now recycling of the god knows how many blue plates that have already been produced; and the costs of mailing out replacement plates to all those Ontarians who currently have blue plates on their vehicles.

Also, remember all the sample plates Dofo had produced and gave to the media at last April’s roll out? I bet there won’t be anything similar when the ‘new’ plates are introduced in the next week or so.
 

Boober69

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There was nothing wrong with those plates.
Which is why Druggie will go back to them instead of his failed design.
They had defects.
Ontario has changed the license plate design many times in the past 100 years. And yes white letters on blue were used several times.
 

GameBoy27

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What are you still waffling about? The cars and their child seats etc are not owned by the Ontario Government but just the manufacturers. If there was a problem right away then they would NOT have approved of their use. It is far more complicated than a visual number plate that all the Government who took ownership of it, should have done was to install it on a car and tested it. They then should have then got the RCMP / Police approvals as it is applies to their daily monitoring. But they still approved it although it had an issue from Day 1, that had nothing to do with a manufacturing defect!!
You've repeatedly asked for proof. Here you go... Looks like the OPP tested them after all. 407 cameras also had no trouble reading them. As I understand the plates will be changed to make them more legible. I can't believe how ragey you guys get over this nothing burger.

Nebogatova said in 2019, the OPP used the Vigilant Reaper Automatic Automatic License Plate Recognition (ALPR) camera system, in three different lighting conditions (total darkness, artificial light and daylight) to test readability of the new licence plates.

She said testing was also done with the ALPR with the new licence plate moving or stationary.

“The new Ontario licence plates were accurately read in all of the testing scenarios,” she said.

https://www.caledonenterprise.com/news-story/9858073-caledon-opp-says-license-plate-scanners-can-read-place-to-glow-accurately/
I'm betting that come election time, every Lib candidate is going to be handing out mini licence plates with the words "FAILED" on them. What a hoot!
I can see them actually doing that. Now there's an excellent use of Liberal party donations. They've proven they're good at wasting money in the past. Idiots!
 

bver_hunter

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You've repeatedly asked for proof. Here you go... Looks like the OPP tested them after all. 407 cameras also had no trouble reading them. As I understand the plates will be changed to make them more legible. I can't believe how ragey you guys get over this nothing burger.
You caught the bull by the tail. Read my Post # 247, where I clearly stated that they were tested by the OPP. They did not do a basic "VISUAL" test at night, otherwise, that would have raised a red flag by then.

As usual you right wingers defend this Dumb DOFO Government that tries to fix everything that is not broken, and just for his own political purposes!!
 

bver_hunter

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Does it matter? Defective is defective right? Just because the lazy Liberals let the issue fester doesn't mean they didn't need to be replaced.
No it was not defective. Let me make you understand this simple fact. If you go to buy a particular brand of a TV and take it home and it gives you a lot of picture issues right away. Then you decide to exchange it for a brand new one of exactly the same brand and model number, but it gives you exactly the same issues then there is a problem with the TV, then it is clear that this TV should never have been on the shelves and was not fully tested before being approved for sale. This is your Dumb DOFO TV.

Let us say that I bought a brand new TV and had no issues with it for ten years and then there were issues with the quality of the picture, then in this case it was not an issue with the TV itself, but it was well past the warranty and run to the ground. This is the Wynne TV. So in these two types of models the only lazy ones were the Dumb DOFO Government that tried to fix a Licence Plate that was not broken. I have had my Licence Plate on one of my cars for over ten years and still no issues!!
 

bver_hunter

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Law enforcement is part of government right?
Seems to me like you're going around in circles with desperate semantics.
No you are the ones going around in circles as you stated that only the manufacturer tests it and it is their defect. I clearly posted a link that stated that finally the Dumb DOFO Govt admitted that there was an issue with the number plates after denying so all along!!
 

Boober69

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No you are the ones going around in circles as you stated that only the manufacturer tests it and it is their defect. I clearly posted a link that stated that finally the Dumb DOFO Govt admitted that there was an issue with the number plates after denying so all along!!
Wrong.
I have always stated that the manufacturer tested it as well as law enforcement so not sure what point you are trying to make.
You think the manufacturer had nothing to do with this? Are they not the experts in knowing what works and what doesn’t?
How would this expertise be in government exactly?

They picked one of the designs presented by the artists. Anyone in that scenario would pick the one they prefer based on what it looks like not based on anything else.
They would rely on whoever tested it to ensure they work.
You are misplacing blame.
 

Boober69

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No it was not defective. Let me make you understand this simple fact. If you go to buy a particular brand of a TV and take it home and it gives you a lot of picture issues right away. Then you decide to exchange it for a brand new one of exactly the same brand and model number, but it gives you exactly the same issues then there is a problem with the TV, then it is clear that this TV should never have been on the shelves and was not fully tested before being approved for sale. This is your Dumb DOFO TV.

Let us say that I bought a brand new TV and had no issues with it for ten years and then there were issues with the quality of the picture, then in this case it was not an issue with the TV itself, but it was well past the warranty and run to the ground. This is the Wynne TV. So in these two types of models the only lazy ones were the Dumb DOFO Government that tried to fix a Licence Plate that was not broken. I have had my Licence Plate on one of my cars for over ten years and still no issues!!
Your analogy is wrong.
License plates were tested. Albeit in particular lighting the defect was discovered. So in other words, it wasn’t obvious through the testing.
You are over simplifying and misplacing blame.

In your example, if you were asked to simply pick a tv based on the aesthetic appearance and were told the technical part of it was tested then you would accept that and just pick the one that you prefer.
 

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Boober....

As I said in a previous post (that you call a conspiracy theory), DoFo was advised that the BLUE background compromised the readability of the highly reflective 3M base material. DoFo insisted that his Conservative Blue plate be implemented, despite the warning of 3M as to readability issues.

But go ahead and spin your wheels in the mud however you want to justify your defence of DoFo. But be forewarned that once the NDA and internal documentation is released, you will have to come up with another defense of your boy
 

bver_hunter

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Wrong.
I have always stated that the manufacturer tested it as well as law enforcement so not sure what point you are trying to make.
You think the manufacturer had nothing to do with this? Are they not the experts in knowing what works and what doesn’t?
How would this expertise be in government exactly?

They picked one of the designs presented by the artists. Anyone in that scenario would pick the one they prefer based on what it looks like not based on anything else.
They would rely on whoever tested it to ensure they work.
You are misplacing blame.
Not wrong!! You stated that the testing is the sole responsibility of the manufacturer. Now, they test their plates to meet certain criteria and accordingly they set the specifications for their full production batches. This is a BASIC FACT with every Manufacturer / Client Contract. If the Cops said the plates met the criteria with their tests based solely on cameras at various times of the day, then that is their's and The Dumb DOFO Governments's responsibility, NOT the manufacturer's responsibility as you seem to imply. Dumb DOFO and his cronies just wanted the Blue Colour for political means and we all know that the Visual Effects of these plates at all times including the nights is a Major Criteria for these plates!! Why on earth are you defending this Dumb DOFO Government that could not even implement a simple thing like number plates??
 

bver_hunter

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Your analogy is wrong.
License plates were tested. Albeit in particular lighting the defect was discovered. So in other words, it wasn’t obvious through the testing.
You are over simplifying and misplacing blame.

In your example, if you were asked to simply pick a tv based on the aesthetic appearance and were told the technical part of it was tested then you would accept that and just pick the one that you prefer.
My analogy is 100% right. License plates met the manufacturer's criteria. If additional tests were needed to be added to the specifications, then it is up to the client to negotiate that prior to production. You still cannot comprehend this basic fact in today's industry especially as these were customized for the client meaning the Dumb DOFO Govt!!

No, the TV was not based on"aesthetic appearance" as the picture quality is very important at all times of the day and night. You are the one that will be happy to take a Blue TV Home and watch it irrespective of the picture quality, if the salesman told you ohhh, that is a wonderful TV and you can get a free coupon for a $1 beer from the Beer Store!!
 

Frankfooter

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They had defects.
Ontario has changed the license plate design many times in the past 100 years. And yes white letters on blue were used several times.
What defects?

Druggie had a presser today and said he's heartbroken over the fuckup.
At least he's man enough to admit he screwed up.
 
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