DoFo government admits new licence plates 'absolutely' a problem, will need to be rec

Boober69

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Whoa there bver... you're expecting wayyy too much...
Asking dumbo to make sure that one of his cronies got off their lazy ass, put a prototype plate on a car, wait until it was dark, then shine some headlights on the prototype... that is completely unreasonable and absolutely unfair... apologize immediately!!!
That's what law enforcement should have done.
You rage and blame are misplaced.
 

apoptygma

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You think the government would be stockpiling old plates in enough capacity to roll back new plates? Has there ever been a government who did this when rolling out new plates?
And why would they roll out the old plates if they also had defects?
Jeezus you are desperate to misplace blame.

You think child seat manufacturers give people the old design seats when they issue a recall for a newly discovered defect with the new models?
Buy a dictionary and learn what 'contingency' means... seriously FFS.

What child seat manufacturers WOULD NOT do is to continue to hand out defective seats... think about the liability implications.
Obviously dumbo's team didn't think about liability, did they?
 

Boober69

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Buy a dictionary and learn what 'contingency' means... seriously FFS.

Child seat manufacturers WOULD NOT continue to hand out defective seats... think about the liability implications.
Obviously dumbo's team didn't think about liability, did they?
Both old and new plates were defective. So your preference is to roll out old defective plates that aren't being produced any longer vs new defective plates? If yes, then that would contradict your point above.
But you're all about contradictions anyway.
 

Boober69

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Did LE source the vendor and approve the design?
LE's job wouldn't be to source the manufacturer and approve the design. Their job would be to test that they work properly.

And what's wrong with the manufacturer? Isn't 3M reputable enough for you?
 

bver_hunter

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So it sounds like you are stuck on who was responsible for the testing. Because in your opinion proper testing would have discovered the reflection issue.
Have you stopped to ask yourself who specifically would be responsible for conducting the tests?
Law enforcement was consulted. Apparently they had no issues with them.
But you are hell bend on blaming Ford?
That's a stretch.
This is what the Ontario Government claimed:

"Ontario's new high definition licence plates were tested using advanced plate reader technology under multiple visibility conditions, and plates were successfully read under those conditions."
Meaning that they received the plates in advance and were satisfied with them as they "met" their criteria. So obviously they did not do their full homework. Both the Government and the Manufacturer have to conduct certain visual tests in daylight as well as in the night. These tests were definitely flawed, as they were probably not visually conducted at night.
You are hell bent at defending Dumb DOFO, no matter what, when he is at fault. He was fixing what was not broken with the current number plates, and trying to politicize it as usual!!
 

apoptygma

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Both old and new plates were defective. So your preference is to roll out old defective plates that aren't being produced any longer vs new defective plates? If yes, then that would contradict your point above.
But you're all about contradictions anyway.
Old plates: less defective than the new plates... have been rolled out for years... AND DO NOT pose an immediate safety risk... they WERE NOT defective out of the box, like the hack job of the new plates... such a hack job that they finally couldn't pretend any more and had to abandon the design... seems like you are the only one holding on to fake realities.
 

apoptygma

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LE's job wouldn't be to source the manufacturer and approve the design. Their job would be to test that they work properly.

And what's wrong with the manufacturer? Isn't 3M reputable enough for you?
I don't care if it's NASA... dumbo's government APPROVED the design.
I am sorry that you can't comprehend that.
 

Boober69

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Old plates: less defective than the new plates... have been rolled out for years... AND DO NOT pose an immediate safety risk... they WERE NOT defective out of the box, like the hack job of the new plates... such a hack job that they finally couldn't pretend any more and had to abandon the design... seems like you are the only one holding on to fake realities.
"less defective"? Were they defective or not?
 

Boober69

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This is what the Ontario Government claimed:



Meaning that they received the plates in advance and were satisfied with them as they "met" their criteria. So obviously they did not do their full homework. Both the Government and the Manufacturer have to conduct certain visual tests in daylight as well as in the night. These tests were definitely flawed, as they were probably not visually conducted at night.
You are hell bent at defending Dumb DOFO, no matter what, when he is at fault. He was fixing what was not broken with the current number plates, and trying to politicize it as usual!!
So you are showing that they were tested, but are enraged (after the fact of course) that the tests were not to your satisfaction? How do you know they weren't conducted at night?
Let me guess, "cause if they were, they would have discovered the issue"...right?

Wrong. Maybe they tested them in dark environments with different light that did not produce the same results? Whatever, it doesn't matter.

Law enforcement also tested them.

So far that's the manufacturer and law enforcement that tested them. If you were the premier, and these two entities (and probably others) gave you a report that stated they were tested and passed, wouldn't you accept that?

If not, then what would you accept? (keeping in mind that hindsight is 20/20 of course).
 

Boober69

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I don't care if it's NASA... dumbo's government APPROVED the design.
I am sorry that you can't comprehend that.
Design=artistic design


If I design a black pylon similar to pylons used elsewhere , and get a company to manufacture it and test it for visibility and safety, and they come back to me and confirm tests passed. Then I get law enforcement to test them and they confirm they passed.
Would you blame the design?
Or would you blame the parties that manufactured them and never reported a problem with the design even after testing?
 

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So you are showing that they were tested, but are enraged (after the fact of course) that the tests were not to your satisfaction?
Druggie's government said they tested them.
So they fucked up, not 3M.

And here you are still trying to blame 3M for executing Druggie's approved design.
 

bver_hunter

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Druggie's government said they tested them.
So they fucked up, not 3M.

And here you are still trying to blame 3M for executing Druggie's approved design.
Boober is going round and round in circles and cannot accept the facts when he is proven to be wrong. He stated that the Ontario Government did not test those number plates when they obviously did so and screwed up!!
 

Boober69

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Was that the brand new ones from Day 1 like the Dumb DOFO number plates??
Does it matter? Defective is defective right? Just because the lazy Liberals let the issue fester doesn't mean they didn't need to be replaced.
 

Boober69

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Druggie's government said they tested them.
So they fucked up, not 3M.

And here you are still trying to blame 3M for executing Druggie's approved design.
Approving a design based on appearance is not the same as approving a design at all depths of the engineering/manufacturing process.

The government was presented with a few design options based on artist conceptions. They picked the one they liked. Simple.

But people like you who just look for stuff to justify their personal hatred for Ford believe the process was much more complex than that.
 

Boober69

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Boober is going round and round in circles and cannot accept the facts when he is proven to be wrong. He stated that the Ontario Government did not test those number plates when they obviously did so and screwed up!!
Law enforcement is part of government right?
Seems to me like you're going around in circles with desperate semantics.
 

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Ford personally involved in picking failed double-blue licence plate design, Tory sources say

https://www.thestar.com/politics/pr...NODzeqz5vATQ0N-Jx1RD0uMaFYQlM0ldx3jRqBxcLx1qQ

Premier Doug Ford was personally involved in choosing the illegible double-blue Ontario licence plates that his government is now scrapping, the Star has learned.

Progressive Conservative sources, speaking on background in order to discuss internal conversations, said that last year Ford was presented with six new designs to replace the traditional white plates in use since 1973.

Four of the proposed designs were white and two were blue.

Insiders said the premier selected the two-tone prototype that has been likened to a Q-tip box.

On Friday, the Star revealed the Tories are abandoning the double-blue plate in favour of a revamped white design amid concerns about visibility in certain lighting conditions.

The premier’s office declined to say whether the forthcoming white plate, which will feature a blue swoosh and the slogan “A Place To Grow,” was one of the proposals the premier rejected last year.

“As we stated previously, we are not commenting on speculation. The final design will be made public soon,” Kayla Iafelice, Ford’s executive director of communications, said Monday.

It is expected to be released next week — in the meantime white plates with the familiar slogan “Yours To Discover” are being issued. The 71,000 motorists with the defective blue plates will get them replaced free of charge.

Consumer and Government Services Minister Lisa Thompson said Monday she is “very pleased at the manner in which our government is focused on delivering an enhanced plate in a timely, secure and efficient way.”

Thompson said the government and manufacturer, 3M Canada, are “working diligently around the clock on our enhanced plate.”

The Tories say 3M is footing the tab for the fix. A nondisclosure agreement has been signed between the company and the government concealing the actual cost.

Told that Ford himself had helped select the double-blue design, NDP Leader Andrea Horwath shook her head.

“I’m not surprised at all. There was this sense that this decision was made inside the premier’s office directly by the premier,” said Horwath.
“The entire fiasco is …absolutely on him. It’s absolutely in line with how this government conducts itself,” she said.

Liberal Leader Steven Del Duca, in his first day at Queen’s Park since winning the leadership on Saturday, said the debacle exposes the “incompetence” of the PC government.

“There was nobody in Ontario that was calling out for a massive redesign of the licence plates that we had,” said Del Duca, a former transportation minister in Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government.

“Premier Ford and their team decided to go down that path — obviously it turned out very, very poorly. It goes right to the heart of the issue: their incompetence,” he said.

The controversy has certainly struck a nerve with the premier.

Last week, Ford blasted the media when questioned about the screw-up.

“You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m shocked you’re even asking me that … I know the media wants to pound on little things. We’re looking at the big vision,” he said on March 2.

“Let’s make no mistake about it, I was frustrated, the minister was frustrated,” added Ford, who ran his family’s label-printing business before entering politics.
 
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