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Right-wing terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism - which one is the greater global threat??

mandrill

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Thats not true at all, there are lots of violent white supremacists. I'll never defend those idiots.

You however cannot admit (nor accept) that radical Islam is BY FAR the greater worldwide terror threat.
Phil, I'll buy into your Third World Muslim terrorists case when you start counting in how many Muslims Hindus kill in India; how many Uighurs the Chinese Communists kill; how many Rohinga the Myanmar dictators kill; and how many Muslims in Nigeria Christian militias kill - because my understanding is that Nigeria and West Africa is a series of wars between ethno-religious groups with political overtones. My impression is that many more Muslims are killed than vice versa.

Point is that it's apples and oranges. If I start chucking in Third World conflagrations and then weigh them against small terror cells in the West, I'll get a massive imbalance.

So let's stick to ISIS, AQ and random Muslim wackos in the West vs White supremacist terrorist of either the fat, assault rifle toting middle aged variety or the skinny basement dwelling incel variety, also in the west.

I'll give the Muslims a head start with 9/11, but have the White Supremacists catching up little by little as Muslim extremism seems to be on the wane.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Phil, I'll buy into your Third World Muslim terrorists case when you start counting in how many Muslims Hindus kill in India; how many Uighurs the Chinese Communists kill; how many Rohinga the Myanmar dictators kill; and how many Muslims in Nigeria Christian militias kill - because my understanding is that Nigeria and West Africa is a series of wars between ethno-religious groups with political overtones. My impression is that many more Muslims are killed than vice versa.

Point is that it's apples and oranges. If I start chucking in Third World conflagrations and then weigh them against small terror cells in the West, I'll get a massive imbalance.

So let's stick to ISIS, AQ and random Muslim wackos in the West vs White supremacist terrorist of either the fat, assault rifle toting middle aged variety or the skinny basement dwelling incel variety, also in the west.

I'll give the Muslims a head start with 9/11, but have the White Supremacists catching up little by little as Muslim extremism seems to be on the wane.
I'll answer all this tomorrow when I have more time. You are right about some things, and wrong on others
 

Frankfooter

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Phil, I'll buy into your Third World Muslim terrorists case when you start counting in how many Muslims Hindus kill in India; how many Uighurs the Chinese Communists kill; how many Rohinga the Myanmar dictators kill; and how many Muslims in Nigeria Christian militias kill - because my understanding is that Nigeria and West Africa is a series of wars between ethno-religious groups with political overtones. My impression is that many more Muslims are killed than vice versa.

Point is that it's apples and oranges. If I start chucking in Third World conflagrations and then weigh them against small terror cells in the West, I'll get a massive imbalance.

So let's stick to ISIS, AQ and random Muslim wackos in the West vs White supremacist terrorist of either the fat, assault rifle toting middle aged variety or the skinny basement dwelling incel variety, also in the west.

I'll give the Muslims a head start with 9/11, but have the White Supremacists catching up little by little as Muslim extremism seems to be on the wane.
The biggest tally that phil ignores is the Global War on Terror, which has killed 1-2 million Muslims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror#Casualties

Add to that Muslim concentration camps in China, 'citizenship' rules in India, 'Muslim Ban' in the US and Palestinian issues and Phil's persecution of Muslims looks likes its just part and parcel of a long Islamaphobic trend.

Even if you're just looking at recent deaths in North America, white extremacists like Phil are causing way more violence than Islamics.

All racism is really stupid, genetically we are all of the same race. Islamaphobia is just as stupid and hateful as Islamaphobia or racism against black or native populations.
 

bver_hunter

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Thats not true at all, there are lots of violent white supremacists. I'll never defend those idiots.

You however cannot admit (nor accept) that radical Islam is BY FAR the greater worldwide terror threat.
You deliberately miss out on the biggest threats in North America, i.e. the White Supremacists / Neo Nazis.

Sure radical islam is the biggest threat in the Middle East and Northern and Central parts of Africa. It was even in Europe at one time. But now the biggest threat in Europe are Far Right Neo Nazis. In Australia and New Zealand it is the Far Right.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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But now the biggest threat in Europe are Far Right Neo Nazis. In Australia and New Zealand it is the Far Right
Bullshit!!

There were 4 Islamic terrorism attempts in Europe over the last 2 years. So thats one attempt every 6 months.
And thats not even counting the numerous knife attacks London had over the last 2 years.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe




Knife attacks:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664

https://globalnews.ca/news/6237158/london-bridge-attack-suspect/

Now please show me how many right-wing terrorist attacks Europe had during this same time period (whether successfull attacks or thwarted).
I'll be waiting for your response
 

bver_hunter

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Bullshit!!

There were 4 Islamic terrorism attempts in Europe over the last 2 years. So thats one attempt every 6 months.
And thats not even counting the numerous knife attacks London had over the last 2 years.

Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe




Knife attacks:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664

https://globalnews.ca/news/6237158/london-bridge-attack-suspect/

Now please show me how many right-wing terrorist attacks Europe had during this same time period (whether successfull attacks or thwarted).
I'll be waiting for your response
Bullshit!!

There was a thread started about this one that was thwarted, but as requested by you... here goes:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-far-right-group-planned-mosque-attacks-government/a-52399062

Can you imagine how many mosque worshippers would have been killed?? It was a far right neo-nazi terrorism network!!

These are death threats from the far right:

Top German state politicians receive far-right death threats:

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-state-politicians-receive-far-right-death-threats/a-50922322

Not to forget the killing of a German Politician by the Neo-Nazis:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazi-germany/

Here is another individual that was arrested on terrorism charges for threats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mock-srn-sonnenkrieg-bath-trial-a9234696.html

Yet another one who planned terrorist attacks on mosques was thankfully apprehended:
Teenage neo-Nazi who planned terror attacks on synagogues as part of ‘race war’ jailed:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ager-jailed-terror-antisemitism-a9273696.html

This is another stupid and dumb woman who was part of a "Miss Hitler Competition":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html

2 neo-fascists arrested in Italy over plot to bomb mosque:

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2...ts-arrested-in-italy-over-plot-to-bomb-mosque

Poland seizes two for plotting Breivik-style attacks on Muslims

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...reivik-style-attacks-on-muslims-idUSKBN1XN23L

Norway police probe mosque shooting as possible act of terrorism

https://globalnews.ca/news/5752262/norway-mosque-shooting-terrorism/

Durham neo-Nazi teenager detained for terror attack plan

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-51022706

By the way:

More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress in July that a majority of the bureau’s domestic-terrorism investigations since October were linked to white supremacy.
https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

Yes this is in the USA in 1 year!!

How many were committed by Islamist Terrorists in the same period of time in the USA?? Waiting to hear from you in this respect!!
 

Frankfooter

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In the States its all right wing terrorism lately.

2019 El Paso Walmart shooting El Paso, Texas 24 22
2019 Poway synagogue shooting Poway, California 3 1
2018 Tallahassee yoga studio shooting Tallahassee, Florida 6 2
2018 Jeffersontown Kroger shooting Jeffersontown, Kentucky 0 2
2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 7 11
2018 Murder of Blaze Bernstein Orange County, California 0 1
2018 Murder of MeShon Cooper-Williams Kansas City, Missouri
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Bullshit!!

There was a thread started about this one that was thwarted, but as requested by you... here goes:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-far-right-group-planned-mosque-attacks-government/a-52399062

Can you imagine how many mosque worshippers would have been killed?? It was a far right neo-nazi terrorism network!!

These are death threats from the far right:

Top German state politicians receive far-right death threats:

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-state-politicians-receive-far-right-death-threats/a-50922322

Not to forget the killing of a German Politician by the Neo-Nazis:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazi-germany/

Here is another individual that was arrested on terrorism charges for threats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mock-srn-sonnenkrieg-bath-trial-a9234696.html

Yet another one who planned terrorist attacks on mosques was thankfully apprehended:
Teenage neo-Nazi who planned terror attacks on synagogues as part of ‘race war’ jailed:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ager-jailed-terror-antisemitism-a9273696.html

This is another stupid and dumb woman who was part of a "Miss Hitler Competition":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html

2 neo-fascists arrested in Italy over plot to bomb mosque:

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2...ts-arrested-in-italy-over-plot-to-bomb-mosque

Poland seizes two for plotting Breivik-style attacks on Muslims

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...reivik-style-attacks-on-muslims-idUSKBN1XN23L

Norway police probe mosque shooting as possible act of terrorism

https://globalnews.ca/news/5752262/norway-mosque-shooting-terrorism/

Durham neo-Nazi teenager detained for terror attack plan

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-51022706

By the way:



https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

Yes this is in the USA in 1 year!!

How many were committed by Islamist Terrorists in the same period of time in the USA?? Waiting to hear from you in this respect!!
LOL......are you being serious with the 4 or 5 serious examples you just gave a chance.

Are you for real???
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Bullshit!!

There was a thread started about this one that was thwarted, but as requested by you... here goes:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-far-right-group-planned-mosque-attacks-government/a-52399062

Can you imagine how many mosque worshippers would have been killed?? It was a far right neo-nazi terrorism network!!

These are death threats from the far right:

Top German state politicians receive far-right death threats:

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-state-politicians-receive-far-right-death-threats/a-50922322

Not to forget the killing of a German Politician by the Neo-Nazis:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazi-germany/

Here is another individual that was arrested on terrorism charges for threats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...mock-srn-sonnenkrieg-bath-trial-a9234696.html

Yet another one who planned terrorist attacks on mosques was thankfully apprehended:
Teenage neo-Nazi who planned terror attacks on synagogues as part of ‘race war’ jailed:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ager-jailed-terror-antisemitism-a9273696.html

This is another stupid and dumb woman who was part of a "Miss Hitler Competition":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-nazi-miss-hitler-pageant-court-a9274371.html

2 neo-fascists arrested in Italy over plot to bomb mosque:

https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2...ts-arrested-in-italy-over-plot-to-bomb-mosque

Poland seizes two for plotting Breivik-style attacks on Muslims

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...reivik-style-attacks-on-muslims-idUSKBN1XN23L

Norway police probe mosque shooting as possible act of terrorism

https://globalnews.ca/news/5752262/norway-mosque-shooting-terrorism/

Durham neo-Nazi teenager detained for terror attack plan

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-51022706

By the way:



https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

Yes this is in the USA in 1 year!!

How many were committed by Islamist Terrorists in the same period of time in the USA?? Waiting to hear from you in this respect!!
So bver_hunter, please tell me. Which country Per capita has the biggest Islamic population terrorism problem???
 

bver_hunter

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LOL......are you being serious with the 4 or 5 serious examples you just gave a chance.

Are you for real???
Are you implying that the plans to bomb mosques etc. that were thwarted are not serious acts of terrorism? You asked the following question:

Now please show me how many right-wing terrorist attacks Europe had during this same time period (whether successfull attacks or thwarted).
That question was very clearly answered. Yet you cannot respond to the question I posed regarding how many acts of terrorism were committed in the USA between the same 2018 -2019 period. As usual, absolutely no response from you except ask another question!!
 

mandrill

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-euro...og2Z-WfcPv59fCNV-5_qhomLlm7CNEu3inRjAnSDLmBdU

Right Wing Terrorists: "Phil, hold my beer!"

Germany shooting: 'Far-right extremist' carried out shisha bars attacks

A suspected far-right extremist carried out the attacks on two shisha bars in western Germany, killing at least nine people, officials say.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said there were many signs the attacker in the city of Hanau had acted out of racism.

Federal prosecutors are treating the case as terrorism. Some of those killed were believed to be of Turkish origin.

The 43-year-old suspect killed himself, police say. He was found dead at his home along with the body of his mother.

Local media have identified the suspect as Tobias R, a German citizen. The Bild tabloid reports he had a firearms licence, and that ammunition and gun magazines were found in his car.

Authorities are examining a video that appears to be from the suspect, posted online days before the attacks, in which he expresses right-wing conspiracy theories. Bild said he had also left a letter of confession.

The attack comes amid growing concerns about far-right violence in Germany. Speaking in Berlin, Mrs Merkel said: "Racism is a poison. Hate is a poison and this poison exists in our society and is already to blame for many crimes."
What do we know about the attacks?

The shootings took place around 22:00 (21:00 GMT) on Wednesday, and the first target was the Midnight shisha bar in the city centre of Hanau. Witnesses reported hearing about a dozen gunshots.

The suspect then reportedly travelled in a dark car to the Kesselstadt neighbourhood and opened fire at the Arena Bar & Cafe.

Shisha bars are places where people gather to smoke a pipe known as shisha or hookah. Traditionally found in Middle Eastern and Asian countries they are also popular in many other parts of the world.

Some of those killed were of Turkish origin, Turkish presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin tweeted. Calling for a full German investigation, he said: "Racism is a collective cancer."

The shootings sparked a seven-hour manhunt, while officers searched for what they thought could have been more than one attacker. Police identified the gunman through information from witnesses and surveillance cameras.

Early on Thursday, they stormed the suspect's home, near the scene of the second shooting, where he was found dead near his 72-year-old mother.

Can-Luca Frisenna, whose father and brother run one of the two bars attacked, told Reuters news agency: "I heard my father was affected and my little brother... I saw them both - they were horrified and they were crying and everything. So everyone was shocked."
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Image caption The Arena Bar & Cafe was one of the places targeted

Hanau, in Hesse state, is a city of 100,000 residents about 25km (15 miles) east of Frankfurt.

Hesse Interior Minister Peter Beuth said authorities were also examining a website attributed to the suspect. "What we know so far is that there is definitely a xenophobic motive. Whether there are claims of responsibility or documents, that's still being investigated," he said.

Mrs Merkel also vowed to do everything possible to clarify the background to the attack, saying: "There are many indications at the moment that the perpetrator acted on right-wing extremist, racist motives, out of hatred towards people of other origins, religion or appearance."

Gun laws in Germany are among the most stringent in the world, and were tightened further in recent years after other mass shootings.
Recent far-right attacks in Germany

October 2019: In Halle, an attacker kills two and tries to storm a synagogue, broadcasting the assault live online. He later admits a far-right, anti-Semitic motive for the attack

June 2019: Walter Lübcke, a pro-migrant politician, is shot in the head at close range and found dead in his garden. A suspect with far-right links later confesses to the murder

July 2016: An 18-year-old shoots dead nine people at a shopping mall in Munich before killing himself. Bavarian authorities later classify the attack as "politically motivated", saying the teen had "radical right-wing and racist views"

What has the reaction been?

Hanau Mayor Claus Kaminsky told Bild it had been a "terrible night", adding: "You could not imagine a worse night. It will of course keep us busy for a long, long time and remain a sad memory. I'm deeply moved."

Katja Leikert, who represents Hanau in the German parliament, the Bundestag, said: "Hopefully the injured recover swiftly. It is a horrific scenario for us all."

In other reaction:

German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer: "The background must now be clarified further. Violence from right-wing extremists must not let us rest, we must stand against it"
Ursula von der Leyen, European Commission President and former German government minister: "I am deeply shocked by the tragedy that took place... in Hanau"
French President Emmanuel Macron: "Immense sadness and my full support for Germany in the face of this tragic attack... I stand with Chancellor Merkel in this fight for our values and the protection of our democracies"
 

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You are too impatient. This is Phil's thread and for sure he was all set to post it. Tight, Phil?
 

Dutch Oven

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I have to ask, once this weighty question is settled, what then? If one threat is shown to be greater than the other, just focus on that one?

Isn't the answer to this thread - who cares, they are both dangerous and both justify constant vigilance and any countermeasures that can be taken?
 

Frankfooter

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I have to ask, once this weighty question is settled, what then? If one threat is shown to be greater than the other, just focus on that one?

Isn't the answer to this thread - who cares, they are both dangerous and both justify constant vigilance and any countermeasures that can be taken?
Of course not, the answer is obviously to give right wingers as much surveillance as Islamic fundamentalists.
They need to be monitored.
 

Dutch Oven

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Of course not, the answer is obviously to give right wingers as much surveillance as Islamic fundamentalists.
They need to be monitored.
You think that the KKK, or neo-nazi groups, or local militias are not heavily monitored by the FBI and the intelligence services? Of course they are! I guess you've been worried for no reason.
 

mandrill

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I have to ask, once this weighty question is settled, what then? If one threat is shown to be greater than the other, just focus on that one?

Isn't the answer to this thread - who cares, they are both dangerous and both justify constant vigilance and any countermeasures that can be taken?
Well, ask your buddy, Phil. He's the one who started the thread and keeps stoking it up.

Clearly Phil thinks he can win some sort of contest by showing that Muslim jihadi groups are more dangerous than neo nazi groups. Is the entire thread stupid?.... Yes.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Well, ask your buddy, Phil. He's the one who started the thread and keeps stoking it up.

Clearly Phil thinks he can win some sort of contest by showing that Muslim jihadi groups are more dangerous than neo nazi groups. Is the entire thread stupid?.... Yes
And yet you cant help yourself from posting in it
 
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