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Jersey City gunmen targeted Jewish grocery for lethal attack: mayor

shack

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I watched that clip in the Jewish Press.
Are you telling me that person's views is representative of the greater population?
Who cares if it just a few people killing Jews. Maybe if more people are doing it, it will be a legitimate concern.
 

Grimnul

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I watched that clip in the Jewish Press.
Are you telling me that person's views is representative of the greater population?
Not saying there isn't anti-Semitism out there but I guarantee you that chick trashes everything and everybody that doesn't suit her life.
Really, she's just a stupid bitch.
Oh, no doubt, you’re very likely correct on that count. That said, there’s also no doubt that many more of these blatant anti-Semites have come out of the woodwork in recent years. I don’t think it’s anywhere near epidemic proportions, or that it’s even particularly common amongst the general population, but as I said earlier, I am now very apprehensive about revealing my partly-Jewish heritage where I never was before. That is a certainty.
 

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I watched that clip in the Jewish Press.
Are you telling me that person's views is representative of the greater population?
Not saying there isn't anti-Semitism out there but I guarantee you that chick trashes everything and everybody that doesn't suit her life.
Really, she's just a stupid bitch.
I said exactly what I said. You appear to try to minimize what happened in Jersey and minimize antisemitism. Jews are the largest victims of racism in North america.
 

shapeup1

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I’m assuming these people are unaware that Jews were disproportionately involved in the civil rights movement and were historically some of the staunchest supporters of black Americans throughout history.
Very true, when you go to inner states like Oklahoma Naacp and other Black groups are still close to the Jewish community.
 

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Oh, no doubt, you’re very likely correct on that count. That said, there’s also no doubt that many more of these blatant anti-Semites have come out of the woodwork in recent years. I don’t think it’s anywhere near epidemic proportions, or that it’s even particularly common amongst the general population, but as I said earlier, I am now very apprehensive about revealing my partly-Jewish heritage where I never was before. That is a certainty.
Don't victimize yourself. Stand proud; we're in the long line, going back over a couple thousand of years, of looking over our shoulders. Don't let the fuckers win. Write a nice cheque to the UJA or your local shul, put a mezuzah on your door post and at least wear a kippah on Saturday. The haters love scared and powerless Jews. That's why they hate Israel- a country and people they cannot intimidate.
 

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Don't victimize yourself. Stand proud; we're in the long line, going back over a couple thousand of years, of looking over our shoulders. Don't let the fuckers win. Write a nice cheque to the UJA or your local shul, put a mezuzah on your door post and at least wear a kippah on Saturday. The haters love scared and powerless Jews. That's why they hate Israel- a country and people they cannot intimidate.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big, scary guy and I’ve never had anyone say anything to my face, but it has happened many times online and I do always push back against it. I guess it’s just more of a hassle than anything. I’m not observant, I’m an atheist, and I don’t really identify as a Jew (though I did have a Bar Mitzvah). Nothing against it, my family was just never particularly religious growing up, I personally just don’t have much use for religion, so it doesn’t mean a ton to me. I just think it disgusting to see this sort of shit becoming so prevalent again. The evil Jews thing has been used so many times throughout history, we’ve been scapegoats so many times, we’ve had to fight hard for what we have now, and it’s fucking bullshit that these assholes can come along and try to start this shit back up.

I can assure you though, if nothing else, I am most certainly not scared or powerless.
 

Grimnul

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Once again this is a result of TRump’s bigotry.
I actually gotta give Trump a pass on this one. He’s been pretty consistent in his support of Israel and the Jewish people. Seems like one of the very few groups he doesn’t shit on. Certainly some of his supporters are very anti-Semitic, but he himself doesn’t seem to be. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
 

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I actually gotta give Trump a pass on this one. He’s been pretty consistent in his support of Israel and the Jewish people. Seems like one of the very few groups he doesn’t shit on. Certainly some of his supporters are very anti-Semitic, but he himself doesn’t seem to be. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Trump should not get a pass, he has a history of anti-Semitic comments, from the 'hires only Jews to deal with money' type on to 'nasty, violent people' he just called a crowd of Jewish supporters.
He's a white extremist who campaigned on fear of people of colour in the form of immigrants.

That said, there is certainly a lot of ignorance on the left regarding Israel. Many of these people seem to not be very aware of the history. There were wars, they’re been suicide bombers murdering busses full of children, killing innocent people in shopping malls, etc. It’s perfectly reasonable for Israelis to be wary of the Palestinians. I don’t think the Israeli government always handles things particularly well, but there is a very real national security concern.
And yet arguing for equal rights and the full application of international laws gets you branded as a racist here on this board.
Even your justifications ignores the fact that Palestinians have always paid way higher a toll in deaths and misery.
 

shack

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I don't get your point.
The same as the point in post #24. Even if you are only partly Jewish, you should be ashamed of yourself. It sounds like something frank would say.
 

The Oracle

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Trump should not get a pass, he has a history of anti-Semitic comments, from the 'hires only Jews to deal with money' type on to 'nasty, violent people' he just called a crowd of Jewish supporters.
He's a white extremist who campaigned on fear of people of colour in the form of immigrants.
There's no truth in that at all.


And yet arguing for equal rights and the full application of international laws gets you branded as a racist here on this board.
Even your justifications ignores the fact that Palestinians have always paid way higher a toll in deaths and misery.
And even less truth in that.
 

K Douglas

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If they are supremacists of any kind, they are alt-right.
What an ignorant and incorrect comment. Black supremacists are rooted in the extreme left.
 

K Douglas

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I was referring to the normalization of anti-semitism, which is absolutely the alt-right’s handiwork.
Again a ridiculous and ignorant comment. You lefties are on fire tonight.
 

K Douglas

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I actually gotta give Trump a pass on this one. He’s been pretty consistent in his support of Israel and the Jewish people. Seems like one of the very few groups he doesn’t shit on. Certainly some of his supporters are very anti-Semitic, but he himself doesn’t seem to be. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Oh how generous of you. I'm sure Trump would feel proud. Also in case you haven't heard Trump's approval rating in the black community is upwards of 30% and rising. I guess they must like being shit on ;)
 

Grimnul

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Again a ridiculous and ignorant comment. You lefties are on fire tonight.
So the guys carrying torches and flags, shields, and banners bearing nazi symbols chanting “Jews will not replace us” aren’t anti-Semites?

Interesting take.
 

Insidious Von

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Some objectivity is in order here, the bombing of school buses was the work of a Jewish paramilitary group in the build up to the Arab - Israeli War of 1948. They were known as The Stern Gang, their leader was Yitzhak Shamir. The war to create modern Israel was brutal, Jaffa was encircled and shelled to rubble. The surviving Palestinians were expelled and the town renamed Tel Aviv.

The alt-right are a courageous lot. They prance around with Tikki torches yelling "Jews will not replace us". They live in their mother's basements eating Cheetos in their underwear. Watching porn and smearing the residue on their wife beater t-shirts. Some don't even like Trump, they curse him for marrying "that beautiful girl to that filthy Jew".

Alex Jones was on The Howard Stern Show, he's under fire over his supplements. It appears they cause vertigo, meteorism and crabs.
 

Celticman

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Some objectivity is in order here, the bombing of school buses was the work of a Jewish paramilitary group in the build up to the Arab - Israeli War of 1948. They were known as The Stern Gang, their leader was Yitzhak Shamir. The war to create modern Israel was brutal, Jaffa was encircled and shelled to rubble. The surviving Palestinians were expelled and the town renamed Tel Aviv.
So are you saying that Jews bombed buses filled with Jews?

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War was the second and final stage of the 1947–49 Palestine war. It formally began following the end of the British Mandate for Palestine at midnight on 14 May 1948; the Israeli Declaration of Independence had been issued earlier that day, and a military coalition of Arab states entered the territory of British Palestine in the morning of 15 May.

The first deaths of the 1947–49 Palestine war occurred on 30 November 1947 during an ambush of two buses carrying Jews. There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine


Here is the provenance for the above:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War#cite_note-Morris48-19
 

mellowjello

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I said exactly what I said. You appear to try to minimize what happened in Jersey and minimize antisemitism. Jews are the largest victims of racism in North america.
And you appear to misconstrue anything that doesn't suit your argument.
Believe what you want.
I'm not interested, there's no room for open dialogue here.
 
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