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Frankfooter

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FYI, I'm done talking to you. You have crossed the line.
Posting facts is crossing the line?

basketcase was the one that brought up Jordan and now you're saying its crossing the line to complete that comparison?

You dared to compare Jordanian religious and ethnic cleansing to today's Israel and the Territories?!! And you don't see a problem with that!!!?? With the mosques all over Israel and the Territories? Freedom to worship for ALL religions, Palestinians with and without Israeli citizenship living in the East Jerusalem? You dared to put a "but" after what Jordanians did and attempt equivalency??? No sane individual would unless Israel behaved in similar manner, which, even to a casual observer, it does not. You're a hateful ignoramus.
All you've done is show that Israel once again committed 3 times as many acts as you criticized Jordan for, yet you refuse to condemn those same acts.
Supremacist.
 

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Posting facts is crossing the line?

basketcase was the one that brought up Jordan and now you're saying its crossing the line to complete that comparison?



All you've done is show that Israel once again committed 3 times as many acts as you criticized Jordan for, yet you refuse to condemn those same acts.
Supremacist.
No, he crossed the line when he misused my post.
 

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No, he crossed the line when he misused my post.
Like I said, Israel did not stop there. It took up ethnic cleansing again after launching the 67 war. Within 48 hours of capture, they demolished the Moroccan quarter, including ancient mosques and expelled the Palestinian residents.


There were 135 houses in the quarter,[58] and the destruction left at least 650 people refugees.[59] According to one surviving eyewitness, after its capture by Israel, the entire Old City was placed under a strict curfew.[58] On Saturday evening 10 June, the last day of the Six-Day War, coinciding with the end of the Jewish Sabbath, a number of searchlights were positioned and floodlit up the quarter's warrens. Twenty odd Jerusalem building contractors, hired by Kollek, first knocked down a public lavatory with sledgehammers. Army bulldozers were then brought in to raze the houses.[4]

The residents were given either a few minutes,[4] fifteen minutes[60] or three hours[2] to evacuate their homes. They initially refused to budge. In the face of this reluctance, lieutenant Colonel Ya'akov Salman, the deputy military governor, issued an order to an Engineering Corps officer to start bulldozing, and, on striking one particular structure, caused the whole building to collapse on its residents. It was this act which caused the remaining residents to flee their apartments and enter vehicles that were stationed outside to bus them away.[61] Amidst the rubble, a middle-aged, or elderly[62][50] woman, al-Hajjah Rasmiyyah 'Ali Taba'ki, was discovered in her death throes. One of the engineers, Yohanan Montsker, had her rushed to hospital but by midnight she was dead.[51][50] According to an interview given two decades later by Eitan Ben-Moshe, the engineer attached to the IDF Central Command who oversaw the operation, she was not the only victim. He recalled recovering 3 bodies that were transported to the Bikur Cholim Hospital, and while some other bodies were buried with the disposed rubble:

I had thrown out all the garbage. We threw out the wreckage of houses together with the Arab corpses. We threw Arab corpses and not Jewish, so that they would not convert the area to a place where it is forbidden to tread.[p][60]

The following morning, Colonel Lahat described the demolition workers as mostly being drunk "on wine and joy".[4]

Permission to salvage their personal belongings was denied. The reason given by an Israeli soldier was that they were pressed for time, since only two days remained before the feast of the "Passover" (actually Shavuot), and many Jews were expected to arrive on the following Tuesday at the Western Wall. The haste of demolition was necessary, it was argued, to prepare a yard for the festive worshippers.[64][65] The prime minister at the time, Levi Eshkol was completely unaware of the operation, and phoned Narkiss on the 11th asking the reason why the houses were being demolished. Narkiss, pretending not to know, replied that he'd look into the matter.[57]

Historic buildings razed[edit]
In addition to 135 houses, the demolition destroyed the Bou Medyan zaouia,[62] the **********h Eid Mosque, – one of the few mosques remaining from the time of Saladin, whose historic significance was identified by the Israel Antiquities Authority -[66] In destroying the a small mosque near the Buraq section of the Wall, associated with the ascent of Mohammad on his steed Buraq to heaven, the engineer Ben Moshe is quoted as having exclaimed:"Why shouldn't the mosque be sent to Heaven, just as the magic horse did?"[60]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_Quarter
 

basketcase

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I agree that's bad.....
Always a "but" trying to claim Israel is the source of all evil.

And no, Jordan's complete ethnic cleansing and destruction of holy sites is far worse than Israel's targeted strikes trying to stop terrorism. If Israel wanted to act like Jordan, there wouldn't be any Arabs or Mosques left in Gaza.
 

basketcase

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I'm not really interested in rehashing your incredibly biased and false claims on history here, ....
So in other words, you know how weak and indefensible your claims are.

Saudi Arabia has extremely severe restrictions on other religions. Israel goes so far as to allow Judaism's holiest site to be controlled by a Jordanian/Muslim group. In your obsession you still try to pretend Israel is the evil one.

Almost all of the Palestinians who fled in 1948 did so long before there was any fighting. You've even posted sources agreeing with this.

Jordan ethnically cleansed the significant millennia old Jewish population in Jerusalem and Jewish owned lands in what is now the West Bank. They also destroyed almost every Synagogue. These are incontestable facts.

Why is it you obsessively argue for the descendants of Palestinian refugees but try to deny the existence of Jews who were actually ethnically cleansed in the same conflict?
 

basketcase

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You might just get yourself banned for that post. You’ve just advocated the elimination of Islamic religious structures and the ethnic cleansing of an entire people.
Says the guy who seems pretends Jordan didn't do the exact same thing.

(and has been banned under at least 2 other handles)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Says the guy who seems pretends Jordan didn't do the exact same thing.

(and has been banned under at least 2 other handles)
Which 2 handles would that be??
 

Frankfooter

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So in other words, you know how weak and indefensible your claims are.

Saudi Arabia has extremely severe restrictions on other religions. Israel goes so far as to allow Judaism's holiest site to be controlled by a Jordanian/Muslim group. In your obsession you still try to pretend Israel is the evil one.

Almost all of the Palestinians who fled in 1948 did so long before there was any fighting. You've even posted sources agreeing with this.

Jordan ethnically cleansed the significant millennia old Jewish population in Jerusalem and Jewish owned lands in what is now the West Bank. They also destroyed almost every Synagogue. These are incontestable facts.

Why is it you obsessively argue for the descendants of Palestinian refugees but try to deny the existence of Jews who were actually ethnically cleansed in the same conflict?
Your history is propaganda history, its not at all accurate.
You use it as justification for continuing apartheid, I'm just interested in finding peaceful ways to end apartheid.

Just as you try to use cries of anti-semitism to avoid debate on BDS, apartheid, Israeli war crimes and legal liability of the occupation.

All you do is try to excuse the ongoing creating of apartheid Israel.
 

basketcase

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Your history is propaganda history, its not at all accurate.....
So which of those facts do you argue with?

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Saudi Arabia has extremely severe restrictions on other religions. Israel goes so far as to allow Judaism's holiest site to be controlled by a Jordanian/Muslim group. In your obsession you still try to pretend Israel is the evil one.

Almost all of the Palestinians who fled in 1948 did so long before there was any fighting. You've even posted sources agreeing with this.

Jordan ethnically cleansed the significant millennia old Jewish population in Jerusalem and Jewish owned lands in what is now the West Bank. They also destroyed almost every Synagogue. These are incontestable facts.

Why is it you obsessively argue for the descendants of Palestinian refugees but try to deny the existence of Jews who were actually ethnically cleansed in the same conflict?
Of course you know these facts are true but you are so obsessive about hating Israel that you can't admit the flaws of others in the conflict.
 

Frankfooter

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So which of those facts do you argue with?
Why do you insist on trying to derail a thread that should be about anti-Semitism with Israeli historical propaganda?
If you want to end or fight racism, why do you spend so much time here demonizing Muslims?
 
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