I love how you quote people and then pretend they said something completely different.
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So its ok because Israelis have the bigger army and can get away with it?
Not surprised you have no issue with Saudi Muslims saying non-Muslims can't go near Mecca and Jordanian/Palestinian Muslims saying Jews can't pray at their own holiest site.Right, so not only is ok for the bigger army to take over whatever site they deem holy...
Speaking of getting away with it, do you any interest in talking about how Jordan treated Jewish holy sites and Jewish people living in the land they took in Partition?
I love how you quote people and then pretend they said something completely different.
Yeah, the Saudis are almost as bad as the Israelis on this, aren't they?Not surprised you have no issue with Saudi Muslims saying non-Muslims can't go near Mecca and Jordanian/Palestinian Muslims saying Jews can't pray at their own holiest site.
Speaking of getting away with it, do you any interest in talking about how Jordan treated Jewish holy sites and Jewish people living in the land they took in Partition?
Jordan, I don't think they even enter in the conversation if you're comparing destruction of historical sites here.
Oh, really? Jordan dynamited 34 of 35 synagogues in the Old City, destroyed almost 40 000 Jewish graves and turned the Kotel into a Muslim place of worship prohibiting Jews. Jordan also prohibited or restricted Jews from access to all other Jewish holy sites under Jordanian control. And, for a good measure, Jordan expelled all Jews from the Old City and gave their homes to Arabs. Yes, tolerance was the policy under the Jordanian occupation.Yeah, the Saudis are almost as bad as the Israelis on this, aren't they?
Jordan, I don't think they even enter in the conversation if you're comparing destruction of historical sites here.
Yeah, but all that happened because of US-British meddling in the middle-east, MAANNNNN!!!!Oh, really? Jordan dynamited 34 of 35 synagogues in the Old City, destroyed almost 40 000 Jewish graves and turned the Kotel into a Muslim place of worship prohibiting Jews. Jordan also prohibited or restricted Jews from access to all other Jewish holy sites under Jordanian control. And, for a good measure, Jordan expelled all Jews from the Old City and gave their homes to Arabs. Yes, tolerance was the policy under the Jordanian occupation
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Lets see. Saudi Arabia bans any public display of other religions and bans non-Muslims from parts of the country. Israel is full of mosques and churches and allows a Jordanian organisation to control Judaism holiest site and restricts Jewish prayer just to prevent violence. And you like to pretend Israel is the worse.Yeah, the Saudis are almost as bad as the Israelis on this, aren't they?
Jordan, I don't think they even enter in the conversation if you're comparing destruction of historical sites here.
Also noticeable is that you once again have a huge double standard. You have bitched endlessly about Palestinian refugees and their descendants, most of whom fled long before seeing any fighting, but refuse to discuss what Jordan did. Jordan stole the Palestinian state. Their British led army forced every Jew out of territory the conquered at gunpoint including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, a city where Jews had been the largest religious group for well over a century. And yes, they destroyed Jewish synagogues and cemeteries.
But you would never bat an eye because Arabs were the perpetrators and Jews were the victims. Must be nice when your elitist racism and your anti-semitism can be combined.
I agree that's bad.Oh, really? Jordan dynamited 34 of 35 synagogues in the Old City, destroyed almost 40 000 Jewish graves and turned the Kotel into a Muslim place of worship prohibiting Jews. Jordan also prohibited or restricted Jews from access to all other Jewish holy sites under Jordanian control. And, for a good measure, Jordan expelled all Jews from the Old City and gave their homes to Arabs. Yes, tolerance was the policy under the Jordanian occupation.
But that doesn't hold a flame to Gaza, the destruction of Palestinian villages and the 5 million Palestinian refugees, not to mention the apartheid rule of Palestine.
What Israel did to Gaza in 2014, which the ICC is now investigating, makes those accusations look incredibly minor.
Like I said.
I'm not really interested in rehashing your incredibly biased and false claims on history here, its been done too much and I really don't have the energy/Lets see. Saudi Arabia bans any public display of other religions and bans non-Muslims from parts of the country. Israel is full of mosques and churches and allows a Jordanian organisation to control Judaism holiest site and restricts Jewish prayer just to prevent violence. And you like to pretend Israel is the worse.
Also noticeable is that you once again have a huge double standard. You have bitched endlessly about Palestinian refugees and their descendants, most of whom fled long before seeing any fighting, but refuse to discuss what Jordan did. Jordan stole the Palestinian state. Their British led army forced every Jew out of territory the conquered at gunpoint including the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, a city where Jews had been the largest religious group for well over a century. And yes, they destroyed Jewish synagogues and cemeteries.
But you would never bat an eye because Arabs were the perpetrators and Jews were the victims. Must be nice when your elitist racism and your anti-semitism can be combined.
Lets just focus on the present state, where hopefully the ICC can come in and the threats of prison time for leaders can help hold them to the law.
You don't get to put a "but" after my post. Not until the Israelis clear out the mosques from the West Bank and Jerusalem and ship the Arabs across the river. The Gaza grievances you can mail to Egypt.I agree that's bad.
But that doesn't hold a flame to Gaza, the destruction of Palestinian villages and the 5 million Palestinian refugees, not to mention the apartheid rule of Palestine.
What Israel did to Gaza in 2014, which the ICC is now investigating, makes those accusations look incredibly minor.
Like I said.
You might just get yourself banned for that post. You’ve just advocated the elimination of Islamic religious structures and the ethnic cleansing of an entire people.You don't get to put a "but" after my post. Not until the Israelis clear out the mosques from the West Bank and Jerusalem and ship the Arabs across the river. The Gaza grievances you can mail to Egypt.
If you think that based on my post, I suggest going back to the elementary school for a language and comprehension refresher.You might just get yourself banned for that post. You’ve just advocated the elimination of Islamic religious structures and the ethnic cleansing of an entire people.
OopsIf you think that based on my post, I suggest going back to the elementary school for a language and comprehension refresher.
You don't get to put a "but" after my post. Not until the Israelis clear out the mosques from the West Bank and Jerusalem and ship the Arabs across the river. The Gaza grievances you can mail to Egypt.
Oops is right. It's a comparison to the Jordanian persecution of the Jews in the East Jerusalem. Hint!!!! It does not compare and you know it. That's why you failed to highlight "not until". Because you're such an honest guy who's only interested in fairness and justice for all.Oops
All racists have their reasons. These are yours. But just having a reason doesn’t make it any less racist.Oops is right. It's a comparison to the Jordanian persecution of the Jews in the East Jerusalem. Hint!!!! It does not compare and you know it. That's why you failed to highlight "not until". Because you're such an honest guy who's only interested in fairness and justice for all.
Racists just never figure that out.
Advocating for genocide and ethnic cleansing now to defend apartheid?You don't get to put a "but" after my post. Not until the Israelis clear out the mosques from the West Bank and Jerusalem and ship the Arabs across the river. The Gaza grievances you can mail to Egypt.
I tell you what, take your case on Jordan to the ICC and see if they'll take you seriously.
Like they are with Israeli apartheid and the 2014 slaughter in Gaza.
For my money, Israeli apartheid is just as horrible as the New Jersey shooting and the latest actions in New York, and both are the result of right wingers fomenting nationalists/racists.
Do cling to that hope, maybe I will change my mind about who you are or join you on your side. Btw, on top of everything, I also now know that you're dishonest. That's a character flaw, not something you can fix or amend.All racists have their reasons. These are yours. But just having a reason doesn’t make it any less racist.
Racists just never figure that out.
You dared to compare Jordanian religious and ethnic cleansing to today's Israel and the Territories?!! And you don't see a problem with that!!!?? With the mosques all over Israel and the Territories? Freedom to worship for ALL religions, Palestinians with and without Israeli citizenship living in the East Jerusalem? You dared to put a "but" after what Jordanians did and attempt equivalency??? No sane individual would unless Israel behaved in similar manner, which, even to a casual observer, it does not. You're a hateful ignoramus.Advocating for genocide and ethnic cleansing now to defend apartheid?
I tell you what, take your case on Jordan to the ICC and see if they'll take you seriously.
Like they are with Israeli apartheid and the 2014 slaughter in Gaza.
For my money, Israeli apartheid is just as horrible as the New Jersey shooting and the latest actions in New York, and both are the result of right wingers fomenting nationalists/racists.
I’d wager he compared it because he better educated than you. Mostly that’s because he doesn’t have those Zionist blinders on. They tend to dumb down anyone who wears them.You dared to compare Jordanian religious and ethnic cleansing to today's Israel and the Territories?!! And you don't see a problem with that!!!?? With the mosques all over Israel and the Territories? Freedom to worship for ALL religions, Palestinians with and without Israeli citizenship living in the East Jerusalem? You dared to put a "but" after what Jordanians did and attempt equivalency??? No sane individual would unless Israel behaved in similar manner, which, even to a casual observer, it does not. You're a hateful ignoramus.
Israel destroyed over 120 mosques right after independence. Including some that were more than 1000 years old. I guess the Taliban took that as their inspiration.
“This was not the only Muslim holy place destroyed after Israel's War of Independence. According to a book by Dr. Meron Benvenisti, of the 160 mosques in the Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing. What is unusual about the case of Mash'had Nabi Hussein is that the demolition is documented, and direct responsibility was taken by none other than the GOC Southern Command at the time, an officer named Moshe Dayan. The documentation shows that the holy site was blown up deliberately, as part of a broader operation that included at least two additional mosques, one in Yavneh and the other in Ashdod.”
https://www.haaretz.com/1.4950011
But Israel did not stop there.
FYI, I'm done talking to you. You have crossed the line.I’d wager he compared it because he better educated than you. Mostly that’s because he doesn’t have those Zionist blinders on. They tend to dumb down anyone who wears them.
Israel destroyed over 120 mosques right after independence. Including some that were more than 1000 years old. I guess the Taliban took that as their inspiration.
“This was not the only Muslim holy place destroyed after Israel's War of Independence. According to a book by Dr. Meron Benvenisti, of the 160 mosques in the Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing. What is unusual about the case of Mash'had Nabi Hussein is that the demolition is documented, and direct responsibility was taken by none other than the GOC Southern Command at the time, an officer named Moshe Dayan. The documentation shows that the holy site was blown up deliberately, as part of a broader operation that included at least two additional mosques, one in Yavneh and the other in Ashdod.”
https://www.haaretz.com/1.4950011
But Israel did not stop there.
Facts are not the friends of Zionists. Everything is predicated on the victimhood narrative.FYI, I'm done talking to you. You have crossed the line.
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