Very well played Sportsnet for firing Don Cherry. Glad they followed the termination of Roseanne Barr as an example and they 100% did the right thing. Two thumbs up!
Who wants to discuss Don Cherry today....
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You are correct. If I may expand it a bit....what you really mean is EVERYBODY in Canada should wear a poppy for the sake of respect, since in one generation or another we are all immigrants to this country from somewhere.
On the way into Toronto this morning to attend the ceremony at the cenotaph, fewer than 5% of the packed GO train wore poppies and the same on the way home. There was no apparent difference in the number of "new Canadians" or "old Canadians without poppies. Don is closer to the truth than not. Canadians do not grasp the concept of sacrifice, maybe because so many highjack the sole message of Remembrance Day which is that so many voluntarily left a place of relative safety for a place of terrible danger because their country called them. Many paid with their lives but we won and the freedoms we enjoy are the result. Even today Mayor Tory drifted off into other themes. Remembrance Day is not about those killed in wars or about veterans (I am one). It is only about those who sacrificed their lives. Years ago I attended a Remembrance Ceremony at a synagogue in Toronto and the Rabbi made the point most emphatically. Today we remember those who sacrificed their lives for our country. It has nothing to do with the victims of the holocaust or any other victims of wars. This is about the soldiers who fought for all of us and died! Maybe if we stop clouding the message we can get it through to those who apparently don't get it. "If ye break faith with us who die, we shall not sleep". Don Cherry is not the problem.
"Look paw! Them foreigners ain't wearing poppies. Let's git em!" That's Don Cherry and his supporters/sympathisers in a nutshell.
Wearing a poppy for fuck's sake. Gosh, I remember those days growing up in the islands wearing them year in year out. Kind of like going to church. Many people who attend that place have so much hate in their heart. Empty gesture and doesn't mean a damn thing.
Wearing a poppy shouldn't be a litmus test.
Well, there was only ever one Don Cherry I could bother to listen to, and it isn't this bigoted one.
Wearing a poppy for fuck's sake. Gosh, I remember those days growing up in the islands wearing them year in year out. Kind of like going to church. Many people who attend that place have so much hate in their heart. Empty gesture and doesn't mean a damn thing.
Wearing a poppy shouldn't be a litmus test.
Well, there was only ever one Don Cherry I could bother to listen to, and it isn't this bigoted one.
Exactly! That's how you pass on wisdom to the next generation. When all you do is criticize and complain about other people they don't listen. Surprising that a man of his age doesn't get this simple lesson.
and why should he say that when he really meant "you people" and have no regrets saying it. He wouldn't be Don Cherry otherwise.
Sure, he can be the Don Cherry you think he is but that means he lost his job.
But sure, he can hold his ground and end his career in shame if he really wants.
The Canadian soldiers who saw action in both World Wars fought gallantly, successfully and made a major contribution to the successful war effort. However they were conscripted and if fit enough had no choice but to fight although some underaged young men lied about their age to join. If not for conscription, how many would have voluntarily fought, we will never know ? Some with from wealthy families like ************ Trudeau avoided the draft or if enlisted did not have to go to the front line.
As an aside, Rogers made a business decision which is not really surprising in today's social media and political climate. Don Cherry must have thought he was working for the CBC and invincible during his last fatal tirade on Sportsnet instead of for Rogers otherwise he would still have a job.
As an aside, Rogers made a business decision which is not really surprising in today's social media and political climate. Don Cherry must have thought he was working for the CBC and invincible during his last fatal tirade on Sportsnet instead of for Rogers otherwise he would still have a job.
If you had an open mind, and more knowledge and wisdom you might understand the discussion he was trying to open. But worshipping the Sermon of Don Cherry feels better I suppose.
Many were conscripted having to leave friends and family and served for five years in horrific conditions and suffered lasting wounds. But I guess their constitutional rights don't count here and much as a terrorist. Maybe they should have killed an American soldier. Carry on supporting scumbags.
Insolent: showing a rude and arrogant lack of respect.
Why? He recognized the true and official meaning of Remembrance Day, the rememberance of the men an women who served and/or died serving in the Canadian military. Not for fighting for "freedom"
or anything specific. In fact, we pay respects to the men and women "who served in times of war, conflict or peace".
He said nothing untoward regarding the men or women. In fact, he said "There is no doubt that many of our soldiers died heroically during each war."
https://web.archive.org/web/2016101...embrance/history/a-day-of-remembrance/r_intro
"Every year on November 11, Canadians pause in a silent moment of remembrance for the men and women who have served, and continue to serve our country during times of war, conflict and peace.
We honour those who fought for Canada in the First World War (1914-1918), the Second World War (1939-1945), and the Korean War (1950-1953), as well as those who have served since then.
More than 2.3 million Canadians have served our country in this way, and more than 118,000 have died.
They gave their lives and their futures so that we may live in peace."
He only made the intellectual argument that suggested that this day is not one for romancing their deaths for "freedom".
Even the US Veterans Day simply honors the men and women who serve. Not just those who die. Nor why they serve or die.
It is those who expand and romanticize the war time significance of this solemn day that take away from the true meaning of this day; to honour those people who served our country's military.
And not to nitpick too much, but nowhere is there any mention of "freedom" in the official law. "Peace" is the official word.
What constitutional rights, Dicky?
They were legally conscripted. There was no breach of any legal rights.
Here's your mistake. You think only "nice people" should get the benefit of the justice system. In your world, Miranda would never get read his rights and Khadr would be held in Gitmo forever with no right to be released or compensated.
Your forefathers and mine served and died so Khadr could get the benefit of a free and just legal system. You may not like the outcome of every single trial. But the system itself is the product of the self sacrifice of those who fought for our country.
Most of those who benefit from their rights in the criminal justice system are..... criminals. And that's the way it should be. Because the integrity of the system as a whole is greater than what's at stake in any single individual case.
TBH, AdamH stretched his point a lot further than he should have.
But it DID start me thinking whether "fighting for freedom" is the modern spin on Remembrance Day and if so, when we started writing slogans and speeches based on "freedom"?
When November 11 began to be celebrated, was it "fighting for freedom" or simply "fighting for King and Empire"? Just intellectually curious about this.
History is always written by the winners.
Which unfortunately means they get to decided why they fought after the fact.
If they really won there is no one to contest it.
