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basketcase

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Were Hamas proposing ethnic cleansing still, I'd be criticizing them as well....
So go ahead and do so because Hamas continues to do so. Oh that's right, you will never.

Amazing that you have no problem calling out a racist fringe party in Israel but refuse to say anything about Hamas who is just as racist and openly endorses terrorism and commits attacks on random Jews.


And Macron is right for a huge majority of the anti-Israel crowd. Trudeau has stated the same. MLK called it out decades ago.

p.s. Only a tiny portion of Palestinians support equal rights and Hamas and the PA are explicitly against it. If you really supported the concept you would have some criticism for them. And of course your racist elitism has you telling the Palestinians what to do against their will.
 

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p.s. Hamas is still a designated terrorist entity and Canada still has a strong relationship with Israel.
 

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I'm not surprised that you think any site with the word 'justice' and/or 'peace' must be biased.
After all, you support apartheid, don't you?

I'm sure you'll also support this finding from their poll.

Your fucking retarded wannabe boycott will go as far as your impeachment of Trump, or your ICC investigation into Israel, or your general election in 2020.

In other words, you will lose IN ALL THREE!!!!
You got that????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Frankfooter

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Your fucking retarded wannabe boycott will go as far as your impeachment of Trump, or your ICC investigation into Israel, or your general election in 2020.

In other words, you will lose IN ALL THREE!!!!
You got that????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wave:
You upset, sweetie?
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Frankfooter

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You're the one who should be upset. Your side is getting your collective asses handed to you politically :nod:
How so?
91% of Canadians think your attempts to call criticism of Israeli policy, like zionism, anti-semitism is wrong.
The majority of Canadians agree with me on this point, you're a fringe minority here.


 

basketcase

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So franky on this is just like pronaddict on climate, unable to actually defend his viewpoint so he just starts spamming.

How do you think Canada views Hamas or how we view the 53% of Palestinians who support attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel?

Of course criticisim of Israel isn't anti-semitic. Criticism of Israel existing, demonization of everything Israel does, and a blatant double standard of criticizing Israel while making excuses for Hamas is clearly anti-semitic.
 

Frankfooter

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So franky on this is just like pronaddict on climate, unable to actually defend his viewpoint so he just starts spamming.

How do you think Canada views Hamas or how we view the 53% of Palestinians who support attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel?

Of course criticisim of Israel isn't anti-semitic. Criticism of Israel existing, demonization of everything Israel does, and a blatant double standard of criticizing Israel while making excuses for Hamas is clearly anti-semitic.
Yet here you are demonizing Palestinians by making every post about Hamas and therefore all Palestinians, a blatant double standard.

Trudeau's views on Israel are out of touch with the rest of Canada. Hamas has certainly committed many war crimes for which they should be investigated for by the ICC. But you should also note that since 2014 they have worked towards stopping attacks out Gaza and largely moved away from the use of terrorism. While at the same time Netanyahu has now partnered with Jewish terrorists, Otzma Yehudit. So while Hamas supports a call for a new election and supports ICC investigations we have Israel now against open elections for Palestinians and against ICC investigations. Just as while Hamas has largely toned down its attacks, Israel stepped up theirs and their snipers shot about 300 civilian protesters and injured about 14,000 more.

That shows your double standard, as you continue to support the Israeli government even after this move by Netanyahu to align with terrorists.

So I say what I say here almost every day.
Investigate both sides, treat both sides the same under the rule of the law.

Here is the problem for Israel: The more settlers it has, the more land it keeps. The more land it keeps, the more Palestinians it has to deal with.

With more than 620,000 settlers now in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, creating a viable, contiguous state for Palestinians has simply become physically impossible.

That leaves three options: Move Israeli civilians from occupied territory (and implement international law), force Palestinians out of the West Bank, including Jerusalem (and engage in another massive round of ethnic cleansing), or treat the two as inextricably conjoined.

Israel has had 25 years to prove that it is willing to abide by international law, end its civilian settlement project in, and relinquish control over, occupied territory, while allowing refugees their right to return. It has not seized the opportunity.

In that time, it is not only the number of settlements and settlers that have grown. There are now nearly as many, if not as many or more, Palestinians in the area of historic Palestine, from river to sea, as there are Israelis.

There has long been a debate about two states or one state that has morphed into one about three states or no states. But the reality is this: There is only one state on the ground. It has disputed borders and contains two peoples that largely adhere to three religions.

Israel has made it impossible for the two to physically separate. There is no suggestion from anyone – in Israel or elsewhere – how to change that. There is only wishful thinking and intransigence.

What is therefore left is to decide how this one state functions.

Smell the coffee
So far, this one state functions like an apartheid state. Palestinians live under a separate legal system to Israelis, and the latter are in uncontested and complete overall control.

There are nuances and variations within this picture: Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, Palestinians with Jerusalem IDs, Palestinians in Gaza or in Hebron, all of whom live in slightly different circumstances. Yet even if some of them enjoy greater freedoms than others, they are alike in that all enjoy fewer rights than the Jews who live around them.

Apartheid states can’t continue forever. Benny Morris – a historian who helped lay bare Israel’s guilt in creating the Palestinian refugee problem only to complain that that first round of ethnic cleansing in 1948 did not go far enough – understands that the idea of two states for two peoples has been buried with Israeli settlements.

This is the outcome he foresees.

“The occupation regime will continue to function. The Arabs will suffer and the Jews will also suffer (although a bit less),” Morris wrote recently. “At the end of the process, the one state will take shape.”

Staunch Israel supporters understand this. “How long can you live with the status quo?” asked Daniel Kurtzer, a former US ambassador to Israel. “We’re going to wake up one day and it’s going to be effectively one state.”

The only tweak is they – along with think tanks like the Israeli Institute for National Security Studies – see this as developing “at the end of the process,” or ”one day.” The INSS cautions against the “slide into the one-state scenario.”

In fact it is already one state. A badly run one, yes; one in which only one set of people have full rights, yes. But one state in the classical sense of control over borders and territory and the assertion of a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

This is the case, whatever mirage Hamas and the PA think they are fighting over, whatever alternative reality Kurtzer thinks he is living in, whatever “process” Morris is seeing, or whatever “challenge” the think tankers have identified.

It is a reality Palestinians, first and foremost, need to confront now. They can start by not squabbling among themselves over a fantasy.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/time-reality-check/26631
 

basketcase

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Yet here you are demonizing Palestinians by making every post about Hamas and therefore all Palestinians, a blatant double standard....
I love how you try and flip reality. Sorry but criticizing Hamas is not demonization, nor is pointing out that Palestinian polling has 53% of respondents supporting "attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel" (their wording, not mine). You clearly have a different standard for Palestinians and Israeli Jews. The only thing worth questioning is whether you ignore bad acts from Palestinians and Arab sources because you think they're beneath criticism or if you hate the Jewish state so much you're happy to overlook Palestinian crimes.


And no, Trudeau represents the Canadian view that Hamas is a terrorist entity and that a Two-State peace is the only practical one. You're just upset that he like MLK recognizes that your arguments are not for human rights but simply against Israel (no matter what a very poorly written, leading, and biassed survey question says).


p.s. I love how after botching about credibility of sources and investigations, you quote an op/ed from excessively one sided blog.
 

Frankfooter

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I love how you try and flip reality. Sorry but criticizing Hamas
I comment that you switch every post to Hamas but it only took you 12 words to revert to proving me correct.

Again, Israel killed about 300 civilians and injured 14,000 more in the past year or so.
What has Hamas done over the same time that should even be in the same discussion of evil?
 

basketcase

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I comment that you switch every post to Hamas ...
The way you try to make every thread about the middle east into an excuse to go after Israel? But WTF are you talking about? You post specifically about Hamas and then complain that I mention Hamas in my response?

Why are you so desperate to avoid discussing Hamas who openly celebrate their terrorism? Every rights organization will agree that shooting people at violent protests is far less of a crime against humanity than gunning down random civilians who were doing nothing but stand at a bus stop.

Canada and the entire Western world agree Hamas is a terrorist group. But look at you standing with models of human rights like China, Russia, and Turkey.
 

Frankfooter

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I love how you try and flip reality. Sorry but criticizing Hamas is not demonization,
Yes it is.

Its the exact same as your attempts to conflate criticism of Israeli government policy with anti-semtism, as you try to do the opposite, make every post about Hamas and conflate them as veiled racist attacks on all Palestinians.
Two sides of your same coin.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people any more then Netanyahu's apartheid Israel represents all of the Jewish people.
Yet you argue as if they are the exact same.

You use the same tactics you accuse me of using in order to veil your racist views on Palestinians.
 

basketcase

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Yes it is.....
Holy fuck your arguments are pathetic. I guess you consider Canada, the EU, the US, and the Western world to be racist then because they all consider Hamas to be a terrorist entity.


And yes, YOUR criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic because you demonize the county's very existence and criticize them while excusing every nasty action by their enemies. I criticize Israel's politics where merited. You criticize Israel existing while constantly making excuses for Hamas, the PA, Iran, and anyone else who shares your hatred.
 

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Holy fuck your arguments are pathetic. I guess you consider Canada, the EU, the US, and the Western world to be racist then because they all consider Hamas to be a terrorist entity.


And yes, YOUR criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic because you demonize the county's very existence and criticize them while excusing every nasty action by their enemies. I criticize Israel's politics where merited. You criticize Israel existing while constantly making excuses for Hamas, the PA, Iran, and anyone else who shares your hatred.
Shall we go back and check how many times you mention Hamas in replies on these threads?
I'd guess its in every single post of yours, regardless of the issue on these threads.

I'm also shocked that you now think criticizing Israel for shooting 300 civilian protesters and injuring 14,000 more is 'anti-semitic'.
As you also apparently think calling for Israel and Hamas to be investigated is as well.
 

basketcase

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Shall we go back and check how many times you mention Hamas in replies on these threads?....
Other than because Hamas is a terrorist entity that chooses to launch war crime rockets, guns down random civilians at bus stops, and is absolutely opposed to any permanent peace that involves Jews being in the region?


Still waiting for you to justify your criticism of a racist fringe party in Israel while refusing to do so with a similarly racist mainstream Palestinian group that actually commits terrorism with regularity.


p.s. Yes, your continual criticism of everything Israel and refusal to criticize any anti-Israel group is evidence of your anti-semitism.
 

Frankfooter

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Other than because Hamas is a terrorist entity that chooses to launch war crime rockets, guns down random civilians at bus stops, and is absolutely opposed to any permanent peace that involves Jews being in the region?.
Netanyahu is aligned with a terrorist group and has chosen to launch way more rockets at Gaza, as well as shooting civilian protesters, children and women by snipers hiding behind a wall.
Bennett and other Israeli government members, as well as most of Netanyahu's party, are opposed to any permanent peace treaty that involves creating a Palestinian state.

You lost your moral ground a few years ago, and now, like a Trump supporter you are left defending heinous acts and spouting racist claims in order to justify them.

Investigate them all, treat both sides equally before the law and institute equal rights.
That's the only way forward left now.
 

basketcase

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Netanyahu is aligned with a terrorist group
You keep making things up. Netanyahu encouraged two other groups to merge. Even though the group in question are openly racist, I haven't seen any evidence of their being engaged in terrorism.

Hamas is openly as racist a the fringe Israeli party and actually commits terrorism and war crimes yet you refuse to describe them as terrorists. The fact that you are willing to criticize nasty nobodies in Israel and call them terrorists while staying silent on Hamas shows that anti-semitism is your motivation, not racism, human rights, or peace. Amazing you think you have any kind of moral high ground on this.


p.s. Hamas admits to committing acts of terror and war crimes; in fact they celebrate it and all you can do is suggest investigations. Meanwhile you didn't need any "investigation" to criticize an Israeli racist party. Just another example of the double standard that shows you fit right in with Otzma Yehudit and Hamas.
 

Frankfooter

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You keep making things up. Netanyahu encouraged two other groups to merge. Even though the group in question are openly racist, I haven't seen any evidence of their being engaged in terrorism.
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The Kahanists are linked to the JDL, who were the largest terrorist group in the US in the 70's and 80's.
And you have always said that once a terrorist always a terrorist, right?

https://www.juancole.com/2019/02/netanyahus-kahanist-terrorists.html

After all this complaining about terrorists, how come you've turned around and are now backing terrorists?
 
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