The Blue Jays 2019 Season
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Does Rogers own a part of MLSE?
I am absolutely no authority on the topic, but if so, how could it be construed as an arms length deal?
Why would Rogers sell to a company that is owned in part by a competitor? Any idea how many hours of television time the Blue Jays occupy on Sportsnet and if they sold to MLSE you can bet Bell Media would want to be able to bid on the rights. Rogers has billions they don't need cash. I am not an expert so just my two cents.
Kilmer Sports (Larry Tanenbaum)~(25%) Rogers Communications~(37.5%) and BCE~(37.5%) own MLSE.
The comment I replied to was that there was no one to sell to. Well, there is, MLSE.
Last season was the first in which I failed to attend any game and I actually like watching ball games at the Sky Dome and been doing it since they opened it back in 89, I think. I've sat through a lot of good games, but the last 20 years were simply atrocious, for the most part. And last year was the final straw for me. Fuck them and fuck Rogers. When they get a ball team, I might come back. Those idiots forgot that in Toronto only the Leafs have a license to lose.
Well...it does. He could have kissed Shapiro's ass and accepted the offer. Lot's of people don't like their boss. The reality is, he was offered an extension.
I was saying that it this point right now, it doesn't matter whether it is called a firing or a resignation. That ship has sailed.
Shack, while I appreciate and respect your opinions on the Blue Jays. Do you have anything positive at all on the current management team?
There has to be some good things you like about them, no matter how insignificant.
Not sure why many expect this would be different with AA. He left the jays with an old and overpriced lineup with no young players coming up to the team that were gray from 2010-3017. This is extra important when you have cheap owners who will not allow you to spend because there is no one young coming up. Also when the peak age is now 2 years younger, and 2 years earlier in a career, then it was a generation ago, The jays just did not develop any mlb ready position players for too long a time and an overpriced team got very old very
The slide was all very predictable. I was not against the trades in 2015 (that was the jays window and it is not those trades that killed them for the most part) but the slide was inevitable and I called it for 2017 or 2018 back when the trade was made. Predicting general franchise success cycles in baseball is not rocket science. Some teams will be aberrations but you can generally see falls coming most of the time.
As for Shapiro and crew. I think they did a brilliant job in 2016. Signing happy and Estrada to good deals were good uses of money. Since the. I have not been overly high on them. They may be doing well on the prospect front but the management of mlb assets has not been great. While the jays likely pushed for retaining Donaldson back in summer of 3017 and winter of 2018, Shapiro should have been able to convince them that was dumb.
Have to give AA credit for Vlad Guerrero. But it was the long gap in positional player development before that, that crushed Thai’s franchise.
The slide was all very predictable. I was not against the trades in 2015 (that was the jays window and it is not those trades that killed them for the most part) but the slide was inevitable and I called it for 2017 or 2018 back when the trade was made. Predicting general franchise success cycles in baseball is not rocket science. Some teams will be aberrations but you can generally see falls coming most of the time.
As for Shapiro and crew. I think they did a brilliant job in 2016. Signing happy and Estrada to good deals were good uses of money. Since the. I have not been overly high on them. They may be doing well on the prospect front but the management of mlb assets has not been great. While the jays likely pushed for retaining Donaldson back in summer of 3017 and winter of 2018, Shapiro should have been able to convince them that was dumb.
Have to give AA credit for Vlad Guerrero. But it was the long gap in positional player development before that, that crushed Thai’s franchise.
Tough question, but fair.
I honestly don't think that they have done anything positive from a fan's perspective. We have had progressively less to cheer for each year and promises yet to be realized.
Have they done well by Rogers? Possibly but not obvious to us outsiders.
With the players? Are they building a sense of team, loyalty, pride to play for and in Toronto? Are they doing a good job of developing the young players? Don't know. I know they fired most of the Canadians in management roles.
Supposedly they are building a very nice training facility in Florida.
He was able to acquire Gurriel.
No arguments for most of what you say (except I don't like to be considered amusing unless I am making a joke).
Even as I argued how he did not deplete the farm because, aside from Syndegaard, none of the other traded player had an impact, along with the fact that nobody great has come up kind of implies that his farm system was not that strong. But as you pointed out shapeero has not managed our assets well. Even if AA had a poor farm system, he still managed to use them to make some significant acquisitions.
As a very young GM, AA's first few years were not very successful, but it seems he has been associated with playoff teams since. LA was a stacked deck type of situation but as the boss in Atlanta, he has looked pretty good so far. AA had made himself the face of the franchise. The enthusiasm he had, the close relations he had with many of the players (they signed some team friendly contracts), the bold moves and making the playoffs, all created a big buzz we had not seen for over 20 years.
He was very good for the franchise and since he was not around for us to see what would have happened next, it is impossible to argue definitively that he could not have done more than shapeero has. All we know for sure is that the Jays have gotten progressively worse each year (management is on the hot seat) and AA's career continues to be on the rise.
#BlueJays starting to share plans for a new premium seating area w some fans Located on the 300 level at Rogers Centre, it'll be called the Ticketmaster Lounge & replace old press box. Has food & bar spaces 1st row seats cost $33k per season. 2nd row & bar rail seats cost $24k
https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1083433529344589824
Here's what the new area will look like. I dig it!
http://content.mlb.com/documents/0/9/2/302555092/ticketmaster_lounge.pdf
OH and they signed somebody! Some dude named ... David Phelps, 1 year + 2nd year option. coming off a TJ surgery. High risk, low reward player yet again.
Lastly... here's the ZiPS projection on the starting line-up.
source - https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/1083149492168331264
At least we wont be terrible like the O's.
https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1083433529344589824
Here's what the new area will look like. I dig it!
http://content.mlb.com/documents/0/9/2/302555092/ticketmaster_lounge.pdf
OH and they signed somebody! Some dude named ... David Phelps, 1 year + 2nd year option. coming off a TJ surgery. High risk, low reward player yet again.
Lastly... here's the ZiPS projection on the starting line-up.
source - https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/1083149492168331264
At least we wont be terrible like the O's.
I know getting a new stadium is challenging, but for fuck sakes....
This is like putting money in that car that's a complete money pit. We need a new fucking stadium.
The Blue Jays have traded Russell Martin & Cash Considerations to the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Toronto gets SS (19 yrs old) Ronny Brito, terrific D, needs to learn to hit.
RHP Andrew Sopko, (24), split the 2018 season between High A and AA ball.
Toronto gets SS (19 yrs old) Ronny Brito, terrific D, needs to learn to hit.
RHP Andrew Sopko, (24), split the 2018 season between High A and AA ball.
Have you ever expressed that sentiment before?
I'm not sure if your analogy is appropriate. Unlike an old car, I suspect that this is not money down the drain and will reap nice profits. I'd guess that the reno was relatively inexpensive, especially with what they are charging. Imagine what they will make when (or if) they ever have a good team again.
