Idiot president will revoke 14th Amendment by executive order

[mandrill]

Or a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court.

So explain how it gets changed by an executive order? like Trump claims.

At best, you have the GOP majority in Congress enacting ordinary immigration legislation interpreting the 14th Amendment, which is then challenged all the way to the USSC with long odds of overturning 125 year old law. You certainly don't have the resident White House nincompoop drafting an executive order - presumably with the assistance of that "stable genius" Stephen Miller - to exclude citizenship for millions of people.

 

[mandrill]

We can disagree Oagre, but I see the pertinent part of the holding in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), as the parents of a child need to have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States (which I do not believe people illegally in the U.S. or there only on a student or tourist visa have.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649

I know you do. But that's not how the decision has been interpreted since the 1890's or the plain wording of the decision.

 

[Aardvark154]

What is bad about that law?? In other words those children could be considered to be "Stateless"

In what way would they be stateless? Their parents are nationals of countries other than the United States, I stand ready to be enlightened as to a state which holds that the child of nationals of that state born overseas is not a national of that state.

 

[Aardvark154]

So explain how it gets changed by an executive order? like Trump claims.

As already posted, the only way is that it is designed to trigger a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Other than that I entirely agree with Speaker Ryan's statement earlier today.

 

[Aardvark154]

I know you do. But that's not how the decision has been interpreted since the 1890's or the plain wording of the decision.

Actually not, but given that neither of us is a Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

 

[bver_hunter]

In what way would they be stateless? Their parents are nationals of countries other than the United States, I stand ready to be enlightened as to a state which holds that the child of nationals of that state born overseas is not a national of that state.

When you accept the USA citizenship, then revoking the right to citizenship of your country of origin applies to some nations. Hence now that the USA has revoked the citizenship of these individuals, they do not have the automatic right for citizenship of their country of origin, irrespective of whether their parents still have that citizenship. You are stateless at that stage and then you may have to re-apply for the citizenship of the country of origin. But if you have no desire to do so, as your parents were fleeing that country and wanted refugee status, then according to the UN Constitution you are not obliged to re-apply to get back the citizenship of your country of origin. The UN would consider these individuals to be Stateless!!

 

[Butler1000]

What is bad about that law?? In other words those children could be considered to be "Stateless" if that citizenship right is revoked. Is that okay with you then tat they are stigmatized and what then what happens to their careers??
Should it also apply to Melania Trump's parents as well? Why is it considered to be bad, when it was never an issue in the past, but is to this President??
Is the "so called "Public Support" is his base, that cheers at all his lies and racist remarks at Trump's campaign rallies?

They get the citizenship of the parents.

 

[Butler1000]

When you accept the USA citizenship, then revoking the right to citizenship of your country of origin applies to some nations. Hence now that the USA has revoked the citizenship of these individuals, they do not have the automatic right for citizenship of their country of origin, irrespective of whether their parents still have that citizenship. You are stateless at that stage and then you may have to re-apply for the citizenship of the country of origin. But if you have no desire to do so, as your parents were fleeing that country and wanted refugee status, then according to the UN Constitution you are not obliged to re-apply to get back the citizenship of your country of origin. The UN would consider these individuals to be Stateless!!

The parents of Anchor babies don't have US citizenship. Therefore they would have the citizenship of their parents. That's the law.

 

[mandrill]

In what way would they be stateless? Their parents are nationals of countries other than the United States, I stand ready to be enlightened as to a state which holds that the child of nationals of that state born overseas is not a national of that state.

If the state in ? only applies "jus soli" and not "jus sanguinis". Then you get a stateless child. The article I linked deals with exactly that issue and it's something that the USSC would undoubtedly be concerned about.

 

[mandrill]

They get the citizenship of the parents.

Not necessarily. See my post above and read the article I linked to an earlier post.

 

[mandrill]

As already posted, the only way is that it is designed to trigger a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Other than that I entirely agree with Speaker Ryan's statement earlier today.

With Trump's rant about "executive order", presumably you not only have the issue of violating the 14th Amendment, but you also have the issue of ultra vires and impermissible delegation of a congressional function, I would think.

 

[mandrill]

The parents of Anchor babies don't have US citizenship. Therefore they would have the citizenship of their parents. That's the law.

The law of where? - Honduras? Ecuador? Costa Rica? Nigeria? Haiti? Are you an expert in the citizenship law of all those countries? Surprise me. How about 90 or 100 other countries?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

What in the world is vague about it: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

A thousand corrupt lawyers cannot create doubt about that. However, the current Supreme Court may very well

Read the whole thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

It's somewhat ambiguous

 

[glamphotographer]

The constitution is just a framework or guideline according to right wing politicians. Just peice of paper that can be re-written. It's scary times.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The constitution is just a framework or guideline according to right wing politicians. Just peice of paper that can be re-written. It's scary times

Its not scary at all. You Lefties are getting all worked up over nothing

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Just so you guys know, only 30 out of 196 countries allow Jus Soli but I'm sure they are all racist to you Lefties as well

https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=C..._occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

 

[bver_hunter]

They get the citizenship of the parents.

Depends what age the child is. If the child has obtained a US Citizenship they would have had to revoke the Citizenship of their Country of Origin. So then they are "Stateless" for that period of time until they apply and are then handed back the citizenship of the country of origin.

 

[Butler1000]

The constitution is just a framework or guideline according to right wing politicians. Just peice of paper that can be re-written. It's scary times.

How many Amendment are there? Another way of looking at it is how many times has it been AMENDED?

 

[Butler1000]

Depends what age the child is. If the child has obtained a US Citizenship they would have had to revoke the Citizenship of their Country of Origin. So then they are "Stateless" for that period of time until they apply and are then handed back the citizenship of the country of origin.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with this.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How many Amendment are there? Another way of looking at it is how many times has it been AMENDED?

You need 75% of States to go along with an amendment.

It rarely happens.

Trump is gonna lose this one I think, but nice try regardless.....LOL.
Its still fun getting the Lefties TDS all worked up over this something like this once again :biggrin1: