References for clients..

[Alison_xox]

Hi guys ,
It came to my attention that a lot of you are finding difficult to get references in order to book an independent provider.. I have read it in a couple of threads so I am posting this for all of my Munshkins to know .. If you have seen me or Kimora , you are on our client list and if you are on our client list and you are texting us with the same number you booked your appointment when we met we should be able to provide a reference for you .. (Unless you are a bad client and if so , you’ll be on our black list so we will simply ask you to not contact us anymore ).. We are sharing references with a couple of well known providers in Ottawa and it takes only 2-3 minutes to do so.

The reason why we ask for references is to protect ourself agains creepy psycho clients that could cut us in little pieces and wear our face .. ( It is graphic and exagerated but you get what I mean)

Also it seems to be very popular in Ottawa to fakebook or simply no show and this habbit is very anoying and makes us lose time and money ..

References makes us feel safe and also allow us to avoid losing time and $$

I am sure a lot of providers also provide references , you could always text the ones you met and ask .. The worse you can get is a no ...

Thanks for making our job safe and for understanding ..

Happy hobbying Munshkins

Kisses
Ali

 

[hoffa68]

Do you have a time limit from when you saw someone to provide a reference. I saw you back in late fall I think and saw Kimora back when you were with the Spa.

 

[FreeG]

Hi guys ,

Also it seems to be very popular in Ottawa to fakebook or simply no show and this habbit is very anoying and makes us lose time and money ..

I've heard this from a few other SPs here. I met someone who had FIVE no-shows one night - a complete night at a hotel wasted. A real shame... a previous thread wondered why more providers don't visit Ottawa, and if that's the reputation, we should see why.

 

[Alison_xox]

Do you have a time limit from when you saw someone to provide a reference. I saw you back in late fall I think and saw Kimora back when you were with the Spa.

No time limit .. We are keeping our clients number even if they’re not regulars so if they book again with us , we know he is a good client or not ..

FreeG : Yes it is a pain in the a... in Ottawa .. That is also why a lot of providers are asking for etransfer deposit .. I totally support this pratice since the providers are avoiding all the fakebookings and irrespectful clients that are cancelling last min ..

If all the providers would ask for etransfer , we would get rid of this insanity in no time ..
But since a lot of hobbyist can’t etransfer , we would lose a lot of clientele ..
Very unfortunate situation ..

 

[Alison_xox]

Yes unfortunately this is why I don't accept anonymous guys with a text apps or guys with a text app without a reference or a terb handle for Ottawa. Way too much sketchy stuff going on there with fake bookings and no shows. It's too bad

Ask for etransfer deposit when they are booking you ...
You are a well known provider so you can make them feel safe with transfer by sending them your link here , your recco ect . It’s not like you are going to jeopardize your well built reputation just to keep a 50$ deposit so I am sure some guys would accept to book you with a deposit ... I do have a lot of clients that are willing to make a etransfer booking and I love them so much for that ... They just need to know that you are not going to keep it and no show , but if it is a well known provider , they feel safe ...

Btw guys ,
I am not saying to etransfer a random provider .. Make some reserch before you send money .. If it is not a girl that is well known , don’t do it ... Scams are everywhere ..

 

[DarkVador]

Ask for etransfer deposit when they are booking you ...
You are a well known provider so you can make them feel safe with transfer by sending them your link here , your recco ect . It’s not like you are going to jeopardize your well built reputation just to keep a 50$ deposit so I am sure some guys would accept to book you with a deposit ... I do have a lot of clients that are willing to make a etransfer booking and I love them so much for that ... They just need to know that you are not going to keep it and no show , but if it is a well known provider , they feel safe ...

Btw guys ,
I am not saying to etransfer a random provider .. Make some reserch before you send money .. If it is not a girl that is well known , don’t do it ... Scams are everywhere ..

Question to you Alison:

Do you request e-transfer to all new clients or just the ones that have no reference?
Just asking...

 

[OttAficionado]

I’ve also heard from a reputable provider that other girls, particularly at spas, seem to be responsible for much of the fake bookings and no-shows. She was happy to set up a meeting through text communication but wouldn’t confirm without a brief voice call first. I had no problem with that. I have good references but they weren’t required in this case.

I’ve seen a number of touring providers and have heard a consistent theme that Ottawa has a bad reputation because of the fake bookings and no-shows. A few of my favorites have either stopped coming to Ottawa or have said they won’t come unless they have sufficient prebookings from known good clients.

There must be some way we can improve Ottawa’s reputation. I can’t personally see every provider on every tour (although I would love to) but gents, if you see someone advertising a tour and you like what you see, prebook and follow through so we can demonstrate there are good clients here.

 

[Alma@ALO]

I’ve also heard from a reputable provider that other girls, particularly at spas, seem to be responsible for much of the fake bookings and no-shows. She was happy to set up a meeting through text communication but wouldn’t confirm without a brief voice call first. I had no problem with that.

This is the best way. And is about 90% effective. Its always good have the guy call first so u know if they are serious. This takes care of the time wasters almost immediately. I really dont like making appts through text unless its a reg and hes saved in my phone of course.
There are guys who will actually call when requested, they re very nice and well mannered they say they want an app for a certain time, they call to confirm and they get the address and they dont show up.
Ive even had an older guy call for appt, he had called 10 mins prior to the appt time and said he was on a street close to the address given only to start playing with me about which direction to go. I told to turn right then left ect and he would say the opposite of what i gave him. After repeating myself two three times (bc i thought he was old and hard of hearing) i finally clued in he was messing w me. I hung up on him bc i was pissed and he didnt call back.
So that 10% are cases like these.
Ottawa appears to have a bad rap and if a lady is short with you or comes off rude its bc shes tired of having to deal with bs like this. Our bookings are done via phone or laptop and we repeat alot the same questions. Which ladies i also have a clipboard of copy paste answers to save time from having to repeat those questions location services rates ect. Have them call also. if they are serious they will right away. Fakers usually say they cant. And also, i still dont know why people call private number? doesnt like almost every ad say no blocked calls?
I will respect your privacy enough to not answer.

There must be some way we can improve Ottawa’s reputation. ....prebook and follow through so we can demonstrate there are good clients here.

What a few providers have started and will become the norm is the pre paid deposit of $50 with reputable providers. Its the only way to nip this problem in the bud
Most good clients should be ok with it. And those are the ones we want.

 

[hoffa68]

There must be some way we can improve Ottawa’s reputation. I can’t personally see every provider on every tour (although I would love to) but gents, if you see someone advertising a tour and you like what you see, prebook and follow through so we can demonstrate there are good clients here.

Unfortunately I rarely am able to prebook for a couple of reasons. Usually I wont know if I am available to see someone until within a couple of hours and many times less. I always have to rely on someone having an opening within that time. It's a bit of a pain for me as I do not always get to see the ones I want because they are booked up. Every now and than I get lucky.

Once I'm booked I rarely miss the appointment. The few times I have had to cancel I have always offered some sort of penalty.

 

[RachelNicole]

This is the best way. And is about 90% effective. Its always good have the guy call first so u know if they are serious. This takes care of the time wasters almost immediately. I really dont like making appts through text unless its a reg and hes saved in my phone of course.
There are guys who will actually call when requested, they re very nice and well mannered they say they want an app for a certain time, they call to confirm and they get the address and they dont show up.
Ive even had an older guy call for appt, he had called 10 mins prior to the appt time and said he was on a street close to the address given only to start playing with me about which direction to go. I told to turn right then left ect and he would say the opposite of what i gave him. After repeating myself two three times (bc i thought he was old and hard of hearing) i finally clued in he was messing w me. I hung up on him bc i was pissed and he didnt call back.
So that 10% are cases like these.
Ottawa appears to have a bad rap and if a lady is short with you or comes off rude its bc shes tired of having to deal with bs like this. Our bookings are done via phone or laptop and we repeat alot the same questions. Which ladies i also have a clipboard of copy paste answers to save time from having to repeat those questions location services rates ect. Have them call also. if they are serious they will right away. Fakers usually say they cant. And also, i still dont know why people call private number? doesnt like almost every ad say no blocked calls?
I will respect your privacy enough to not answer.



What a few providers have started and will become the norm is the pre paid deposit of $50 with reputable providers. Its the only way to nip this problem in the bud
Most good clients should be ok with it. And those are the ones we want.

FULLY AGREE..you hit all the nails on the head! Sadly my experience as a massage provider has been very similar as you describe. And I don't buy the explanation that it is other providers backstabbing each other. Maybe the odd case is true but I believe reputable provides would not fakebook each other. It is childish and unethical. Reputable providers lack such inclination and most likely too busy and don't even have the time to fakebook. And I also have dealt with fakebookers on the phone as you describe. These r males doing the fakebooking. I believe text apps have largely contributed to this dilemma. #sisterhood

 

[bangminton]

I don't like references and will never see any providers that are asking for them. Looking back a few encounters with references provided didn't turn out good for me. I am not looking for a job so no need for me to show my references or my real name.

I am sick of hearing that people assuming that the no shows or fake bookings are being done by the clients. Please consider the possibility that other girls, the spas or even the pimps are the culprits. A popular provider told me that her own coworker tried to fakebook using her own text number.

Ask to call and speak with the potential client before proceed with finalizing the appointment, verify on the pink board of the client phone# list ensuring the client is good and real, check for good and respectful tone during the initial text conversation etc. These are a few things that I think could be tried.

I could not have said it any better, Jason. A lady on the pink board recently described how somebody she used to date used burner phone # or text app # to harass her (It is in the Double Life thread in the Main forum, if you want to have a read).

My other concern which I have not seen anyone discuss here is who will have access to these references? Is it strictly to be shared between SPs and MAs and how do we know the information will be securely protected at all times? I don't want to speculate but I shudder at the thought of this type of information being accessible, unintentionally or otherwise, to others (bfs, pimps, or others who have no business of accessing it).

Just some food for thought.

 

[RachelNicole]

I could not have said it any better, Jason. A lady on the pink board recently described how somebody she used to date used burner phone # or text app # to harass her (It is in the Double Life thread in the Main forum, if you want to have a read).

My other concern which I have not seen anyone discuss here is who will have access to these references? Is it strictly to be shared between SPs and MAs and how do we know the information will be securely protected at all times? I don't want to speculate but I shudder at the thought of this type of information being accessible, unintentionally or otherwise, to others (bfs, pimps, or others who have no business of accessing it).

Just some food for thought.

I disagree with your concern about who will have access to the references and seems funny to me because I feel the same about whiteman HVFM private list that exposes addresses and phone numbers and other personal info on providers without consent. It is hypocritical to me in that sense to take issue with providers keeping and sharing their own lists. Just sayin'

 

[bangminton]

I disagree with your concern about who will have access to the references and seems funny to me because I feel the same about whiteman HVFM private list that exposes addresses and phone numbers and other personal info on providers without consent. It is hypocritical to me in that sense to take issue with providers keeping and sharing their own lists. Just sayin'

I understand what you mean but for the record: I am not a member of whiteman (he is free to go on record here and confirm this)'s private database.

What information he keeps and shares with others is beyond my control but my concern about this list of references is valid: Who will have access to this list and how do we (the clients) know our information will be securely protected at all times?

 

[RachelNicole]

I understand what you mean but for the record: I am not a member of whiteman (he is free to go on record here and confirm this)'s private database.

What information he keeps and shares with others is beyond my control but my concern about this list of references is valid: Who will have access to this list and how do we (the clients) know our information will be securely protected at all times?

Disagree the point I am making is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. And regardless if u personally participate or not in his list..it exists. There is a private list shared by some members and I have the same issue with that that u do with reference lists. I do not consent to it and I worry who has access to it and I worry my personal information may be at compromise. And the reason we are needing references is to protect ourselves as providers. That is a valid reason to asking for references. A reference list shouldn't bother clients if they are above board. Just wanting you to open your eyes to the fact the issue is twofold.

 

[hoffa68]

Just a quick couple of things that have been brought up.

Reference list - from what I understand is that there is no shared reference list. Alison keeps her own list of phone numbers and if a SP requests a reference on that number they confirm if they were a goid client or not. Thus provides some sort of secure feeling for the SP that this person is a genuine client.

Whitemans list - no personal information or addresses are on this list. It is merely a list of providers with more affordable rates. It will have links to their adds, approx cost, links to any TERB reviews and a general description and what services they provided. Nothing mean about the person

 

[RachelNicole]

Just a quick couple of things that have been brought up.

Reference list - from what I understand is that there is no shared reference list. Alison keeps her own list of phone numbers and if a SP requests a reference on that number they confirm if they were a goid client or not. Thus provides some sort of secure feeling for the SP that this person is a genuine client.

Whitemans list - no personal information or addresses are on this list. It is merely a list of providers with more affordable rates. It will have links to their adds, approx cost, links to any TERB reviews and a general description and what services they provided. Nothing mean about the person

I disagree STRONGLY about whitemans list from what I have been told by members with access to it. Regardless it is a list compiled privately and distributed to select members. My point was if you guys can do it so can we cuz bangminton brought it up. Our lists may be kept personal or shared our prerogative. We have the same concerns on our side of things.

 

[RachelNicole]

I was also thinking one thing that could help us ladies with fakebooking was if fakebooking threads were not allowed. Cuz I have read many times in here threads that encourage members to fakebook when u r upset with a provider.

 

[StillROAMing]

Whiteman's HVFM list has no info that Providers themselves haven't posted. The only, ONLY, info that may not have been posted by Providers are their physical descriptions.
IMHO, comparing the HVFM list to clients info list is comparing apples to oranges. Providers are offering a service, clients wish to obtain these services...we're not trying to sell ourselves.
For clients it's entertainment, for Providers it's a profession. I agree with Jason8 about his views. I apologize in advance if this ruffles feathers.

 

[RachelNicole]

At the end of the day we just want to avoid being dicked around. And references etc are all attempts in that effort. It would be nice ifyou guys could see and respect where we r coming from and offer any positive ideas on how to help us because fakebooking is becoming a BIG problem. Fakebooking has an impact on everyone. Let's not let the few ruin it for the many. Xo Rach

 

[Dbass34]

I was also thinking one thing that could help us ladies with fakebooking was if fakebooking threads were not allowed. Cuz I have read many times in here threads that encourage members to fakebook when u r upset with a provider.

There is faking booking threads here on terb? Where?

Seriously, I've never read thing like that. And I'm not being sarcastic, I really mean it. NicoleR, can you post here the link of any threat referring about it, please? If that happen, it is so wrong.

I think there is problems on both side.