Shooting at a Florida high school

[wilbur]

True. Which is why most gun ownership should be restricted to 5 mag bolt action rifles for hunting and two shot shotguns for the same.

There is NO reason for any civilian to have a handgun. They are solely for the purpose of killing another human being and have no place in a civilized society.
Somehow the rest of the western world gets along fine without them in the general populace.

Is the USA and it's citizens so low that we should qualify them for shithole status?

You mean like Norway, that has as many firerams per capita as Canada, but unlike Canada, has as many handguns as rifles?

45% of people in Finland own guns.

There are about one million legal handguns in Canada.

In Switzerland, shooting is a very popular national sport; Most households have an assault rifle. France and Germany have similar gun ownership rates than Canada, including handguns.

Really, you should check out some stats before coming out with stuff like that.

 

[Butler1000]

You mean like Norway, that has as many firerams per capita as Canada, but unlike Canada, has as many handguns as rifles?

45% of people in Finland own guns.

There are about one million legal handguns in Canada.

In Switzerland, shooting is a very popular national sport; Most households have an assault rifle. France and Germany have similar gun ownership rates than Canada, including handguns.

Really, you should check out some stats before coming out with stuff like that.

How many are unregistered handguns? Do these nations have open carry? How many open carry ar-15's just for fun?

Until Americans prove they can be responsible and not cowboys a culture shock is needed.

As the kids pointed out. If you support the NRA and their policies you support child killing.

I dare you to tell these kids otherwise.

 

[Butler1000]

White suburbia is getting a lot poorer. People have trouble making ends meet. Drug culture is invading, especially young people. Drug culture invites criminal activity and criminal activity brings its guns along.

But there is still more gun crime in the inner cities than in suburbia. Take Chicago, for instance. There has been about 650 gun murders this year alone. That's not in the suburbs but in very poor urban areas.

A sound society with a public infrastructure that keeps people from getting desperate is the foundation of a peaceful society. The US is collapsing socially because 53% if its federal budget goes to the military instead of infrastructure and programs that maintain social peace. Canada spends about 8% of its budget on the military.

You are cherry picking. There is a fundamental flaw in the gun culture of the USA.

It's borderline sociopathic placing gun ownership rights over kids lives. No other nation has mass killing drills in grade schools and consider this normalized behavior.

Any nation that thinks it's better to allow this rather than curb ownership isn't any better than the shithole nations recently called out.

 

[Despo]

Wow. Looking forward to a civil war.....well that's peaceful.

My vote for first one to shit his pantz

 

[Occasionally]

You are cherry picking. There is a fundamental flaw in the gun culture of the USA.

It's borderline sociopathic placing gun ownership rights over kids lives. No other nation has mass killing drills in grade schools and consider this normalized behavior.

Any nation that thinks it's better to allow this rather than curb ownership isn't any better than the shithole nations recently called out.

When I read that in articles I thought it was a joke.

Turns out it's real. Absolutely amazing. What retarded school life.

And some people think guns in the US is normal.

 

[cunning linguist]

How many are unregistered handguns? Do these nations have open carry? How many open carry ar-15's just for fun?

Until Americans prove they can be responsible and not cowboys a culture shock is needed.

As the kids pointed out. If you support the NRA and their policies you support child killing.

I dare you to tell these kids otherwise.

Done, "I'm no more responsible for gun crime than (insert flavour of the month, special interest group here) for (insert flavour of the month crime here)."

That's like saying, if you support open borders, you support terrorism. Hypocrisy, much? Why is your form of discrimination any more righteous?

 

[Butler1000]

Done, "I'm no more responsible for gun crime than (insert flavour of the month, special interest group here) for (insert flavour of the month crime here)."

That's like saying, if you support open borders, you support terrorism. Hypocrisy, much? Why is your form of discrimination any more righteous?

Because it isn't discrimination. It's a choice about owning something whose sole purpose is to kill another human being. Trying to equate this to civil rights is ridiculous. It's not that at all.

It is at best a privilege and necessary evil for a select few professions. The vast majority of citizens in a modern society don't need one. And shouldn't have one.

Your comparisons are invalid. A gun isn't like anything else. It's a gun. It's it's own classification.

As the kids said. If you support the policies of the NRA you support child killings. That's the argument now.

A society that needs mass shooting drills in elementary schools is a society in need of a change at its core.

Placing kids lives below gun ownership makes that person a sociopath. And disqualified them from their ownership.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

No gun is worth the 1 innocent life taken by it.

EOD

 

[legmann]

If you support the policies of the NRA you support child killings. That's the argument now.

A society that needs mass shooting drills in elementary schools is a society in need of a change at its core.

I cannot agree more.

 

[canada-man]

Parkland Student: We Warned People Several Times About Mass Shooter

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/20/parkland-student-warned-people-several-times-mass-shooter/

everybody in the region knew about him and didn't prevented the mass shooting

 

[Smallcock]

Kids across the USA appear to be mobilizing. The language is of the same type used in the 60's when it comes to being fed up.

I wish them luck. Perhaps some real public shaming can work.

Millennials are getting fed up? Are there enough safe spaces to house all of them?

 

[Butler1000]

Millennials are getting fed up? Are there enough safe spaces to house all of them?

Next generation actually. There are busloads heading to Tallahassee as we speak. And they aren't a timid bunch.

And on March 24th it's Washington.

Why not encourage this type of civil engagement instead of mocking it.

And finally this. In light of the fact a SCHOOL should be a place safe from Mass shootings id say your comment is at the least in bad taste. These are survivors of a madman.

What kind of person are you to deny them their 1st Amendment through dismissal?

Shame on you.

 

[oldjones]

Yay Butler!

 

[Butler1000]

Yay Butler!

See. I'm not all bad......

 

[essguy_]

Because it isn't discrimination. It's a choice about owning something whose sole purpose is to kill another human being. Trying to equate this to civil rights is ridiculous. It's not that at all.

It is at best a privilege and necessary evil for a select few professions. The vast majority of citizens in a modern society don't need one. And shouldn't have one.

Your comparisons are invalid. A gun isn't like anything else. It's a gun. It's it's own classification.

As the kids said. If you support the policies of the NRA you support child killings. That's the argument now.

A society that needs mass shooting drills in elementary schools is a society in need of a change at its core.

Placing kids lives below gun ownership makes that person a sociopath. And disqualified them from their ownership.

Butler - you entered this thread when somebody posted a pic (likely faked) of this guy wearing a "MAGA" hat. You seemed more concerned with NOT associating this kid with Trump than anything else. Then you switched to the mental health aspect. Now you're all anti-NRA and "think of the children". I suspect that if this kid was Muslim, it would be far simpler for you to simply fill the thread saying "Trump was right". I'm picking on you because you and your type of arguments lose credibility very quickly and actually hurt the cause you're supposedly supporting - is that your intent?

So let's take your anti-NRA stance now and your "sociopath" "support child killing" comments. Now ask yourself - why would anybody listen to you?

 

[Butler1000]

Butler - you entered this thread when somebody posted a pic (likely faked) of this guy wearing a "MAGA" hat. You seemed more concerned with NOT associating this kid with Trump than anything else. Then you switched to the mental health aspect. Now you're all anti-NRA and "think of the children". I suspect that if this kid was Muslim, it would be far simpler for you to simply fill the thread saying "Trump was right". I'm picking on you because you and your type of arguments lose credibility very quickly and actually hurt the cause you're supposedly supporting - is that your intent?

So let's take your anti-NRA stance now and your "sociopath" "support child killing" comments. Now ask yourself - why would anybody listen to you?

One.

Blaming Trump takes away from the true argument of the core glorification of guns culture. It was a partisan attempt to use this shooting to go after the president.

And that is the wrong approach imo.

Two.

After the Pulse Nightclub shooting I didn't blame Islam. I blamed a kid who was a self hating gay person torn by his family and belief system probably coupled with mental health issues. So this point is moot.

Three.

I will state clearly again. The existence of mass killing drills in elementary and high schools is an affront to the very concept of a civilized society. It is a normalization of a concept so insane words can't truly give it weight.

I'm of the Opinion that the present management of the NRA are sociopathic and should be entirely removed from the conversation. I think they represent a mindset that is fundamentally incompatable with a modern progressive society wanting to protect its citizens.

Quite simply the notion I need to defend my stance and convince a bunch of lobbyists paid by gun manufacturers is ridiculous.

They should be treated the same as tobacco companies. A stain upon the earth.

And these statements come from an ex smoker and someone who has shot guns. I understand their power.

And why it needs to be restricted.

Remove the politics. Add in ethics. Then change can come.

 

[essguy_]

One.

Blaming Trump takes away from the true argument of the core glorification of guns culture. It was a partisan attempt to use this shooting to go after the president.

And that is the wrong approach imo.

Two.

After the Pulse Nightclub shooting I didn't blame Islam. I blamed a kid who was a self hating gay person torn by his family and belief system probably coupled with mental health issues. So this point is moot.

Three.

I will state clearly again. The existence of mass killing drills in elementary and high schools is an affront to the very concept of a civilized society. It is a normalization of a concept so insane words can't truly give it weight.

I'm of the Opinion that the present management of the NRA are sociopathic and should be entirely removed from the conversation. I think they represent a mindset that is fundamentally incompatable with a modern progressive society wanting to protect its citizens.

Quite simply the notion I need to defend my stance and convince a bunch of lobbyists paid by gun manufacturers is ridiculous.

They should be treated the same as tobacco companies. A stain upon the earth.

And these statements come from an ex smoker and someone who has shot guns. I understand their power.

And why it needs to be restricted.

Remove the politics. Add in ethics. Then change can come.

Cigarettes aren't restricted. The way they're marketed and advertised has restrictions - but their sale is pretty wide open (except to minors). You're proposing a ban on certain weapons and you're doing it in the most politicized way possible. In fact, the way you're doing it is totally unlike how the cigarette industry was handled. And in this thread alone, your argument has obviously morphed from your initial posts to now. Inconsistency will always lose a debate - and this is an example of why the NRA can just sit back and watch the arguments fail. You illustrate the real problem very well.

 

[Butler1000]

Cigarettes aren't restricted. The way they're marketed and advertised has restrictions - but their sale is pretty wide open (except to minors). You're proposing a ban on certain weapons and you're doing it in the most politicized way possible. In fact, the way you're doing it is totally unlike how the cigarette industry was handled. And in this thread alone, your argument has obviously morphed from your initial posts to now. Inconsistency will always lose a debate - and this is an example of why the NRA can just sit back and watch the arguments fail. You illustrate the real problem very well.

I consider the real issue to be people who give power to an industry who's products end use is harmful to life.

That you make excuses for them is the second mind set that is a problem.

The kids are taking the right road. Vilify the NRA. Kill their power. They only have it if the politicians accept their money.

 

[essguy_]

I consider the real issue to be people who give power to an industry who's products end use is harmful to life.

That you make excuses for them is the second mind set that is a problem.

The kids are taking the right road. Vilify the NRA. Kill their power. They only have it if the politicians accept their money.

Wait, you don't think they've been vilified before? Seriously? And again - you talk about harmful to life and you actually were silly enough to bring up cigarettes. Don't even go there because cigarettes have killed FAR more people in the United States than any type of gun yet they are still sold in every convenience store. Now if you were to be consistent and propose a ban or restriction on gun advertising or where and to whom they could be sold - then I'm with you. But a ban, and a proposal to vilify the opposition? Let me remind you - that another topic you were silly enough to bring up in a related thread - the Vietnam war - protesters used to vilify returning soldiers too - calling them "baby killers". Tell me - were they all in fact "baby killers"? Do you think all Vietnam veterans deserved to be vilified - as they WERE and as you are proposing to do to everybody who supports the NRA?

 

[IM469]

Butler - you entered this thread when somebody posted a pic (likely faked) of this guy wearing a "MAGA" hat. You seemed more concerned with NOT associating this kid with Trump than anything else. Then you switched to the mental health aspect. Now you're all anti-NRA and "think of the children". I suspect that if this kid was Muslim, it would be far simpler for you to simply fill the thread saying "Trump was right". I'm picking on you because you and your type of arguments lose credibility very quickly and actually hurt the cause you're supposedly supporting - is that your intent?

So let's take your anti-NRA stance now and your "sociopath" "support child killing" comments. Now ask yourself - why would anybody listen to you?

He makes sense ???

Gun control and the NRA is not a political ideology. Granted a few extremist nutbars and private militia groups on the extreme right would legalise rocket launchers but the majority of NRA households support increased background checks and a majority support an assault weapons ban. This has nothing to do with handguns or hunting rifles - it has everything to do with military assault weapons designed to kill people and keeping guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed people.

Democrats as well as Republicans have lined up to the NRA trough for political donations and opposing them is political suicide in many states. Politicians are controlled by special interest groups not by the interests of the people that they serve. It's a sad commentary but a political reality in the states. That people can be banned from commercial airlines as a terrorist threat but still purchase firearms is ridiculous. No background checks at gun shows is nuts.

The NRA as other special interest groups doesn't follow party guidelines. Pharmaceutical, Petroleum, Cable and Tobacco companies .... all corrupt the government. It's a fuckeed system that needs an overhaul.