Shooting at a Florida high school

[Zaibetter]

You can massacre with knifes too, a group of Chinese Muslims killed and wounded a whole bunch of innocent people a couple of years ago

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

A group of knife-wielding men attacked a train station in southwestern China on Saturday, killing at least 29 people and injuring more than 130 others in what Chinese officials called a terrorist strike, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

Four of the attackers were also shot dead and only one was captured alive after the mayhem, which broke out about 9 p.m. (8 a.m. ET) at the Kunming Railway Station in the capital of southwest China's Yunnan Province.
The Kunming government said the "serious violent terrorist attack was planned and organized by Xinjiang separatist forces," Xinhua reported.

Ethnic Turkish Uighur separatists have been sporadically fighting for an independent state in Xinjiang, in northwestern China, home to about 10 million Uighur, who are predominantly Muslim. More than 100 people have been killed in protests in Xinjiang in the past year.

Yang Haifei, a resident of Yunnan, told Xinhua that he was attacked and sustained injuries on his chest and back.

Yang said he was buying a ticket when he saw a group rush into the station, most of them dressed in black, and started stabbing people.

"I saw a person come straight at me with a long knife, and I ran away with everyone," he said, adding that people who were slower were severely injured.

"They just fell on the ground," he added.

Yunnan province Vice Gov. Gao Feng held an emergency meeting at No. 1 People's Hospital, where the injured are being rushed, and said hospitals have received 162 people.

State-run Yunnan News said that the men were wearing uniforms when they stormed the railway station and that gunshots were heard after police arrived.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

 

[wilbur]

Kids across the USA appear to be mobilizing. The language is of the same type used in the 60's when it comes to being fed up.

I wish them luck. Perhaps some real public shaming can work.

The mainstream media are making you think that 'Kids' are mobilizing, by publishing a few offensive Tweets on the news.

It makes great opportunities for generating more advertising revenue by dragging out the story for a while longer. When that story runs out of steam, they'll get back to slagging Putin the bogeyman.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The mainstream media are making you think that 'Kids' are mobilizing, by publishing a few offensive Tweets on the news.

It makes great opportunities for generating more advertising revenue by dragging out the story for a while longer. When that story runs out of steam, they'll get back to slagging Putin the bogeyman

Wilbur!! I know you had training, so what is the solution to all this nonsense??!!

So nothing???

 

[canada-man]

More American Psychopathy

Father turns in daughter after finding journal with plans of mass shooting at Md. school

FREDERICK COUNTY, Md. (WJLA) - The father of the teen student who authorities say was plotting a mass shooting at Catoctin High School in Frederick County reportedly turned his daughter in after finding a detailed journal at home full of attack plans.

The Frederick County Sheriff's Office said the father of Nichole Cevario, 18, told officials Thursday about a "potential threat of violence" against the school.

In the journal the father found talk of a shotgun with ammo, bomb material and the school’s emergency plan. Also scribbled inside the journal was a date for the potential attack: April 5.

Cevario was taken out of class Thursday and then to Frederick Memorial Hospital for a mental evaluation.


The Frederick County Sheriff's Office held a press conference Monday afternoon about the planned attack:


http://wjla.com/news/local/father-t...rnal-with-plans-of-mass-shooting-at-md-school

 

[Occasionally]

I love how US people resort to guns to settle disputes and anger. Name one other western country that has its citizens do this.

I can see war torn countries filled with roaming bandits and pillagers leading to people wanting to arm themselves. But the US is NOT full of rebels and swarms of people in jeeps trying to shoot up villages and wipe out a town.

However, in the US, guns are purchased for recreation and attacking, instead of home defence.

 

[Occasionally]

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

How US gun culture compares with the world in five charts

By Kara Fox, CNN
Graphics by Henrik Pettersson, CNN

Updated 12:06 PM ET, Thu February 15, 2018

(CNN)The United States. Home to liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the most mass shootings in the world.

America's unique relationship to gun ownership -- enshrined as a right in its constitution -- is also in the middle of an emotional and divisive debate about the meaning of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. Twenty-seven words that give its citizens the right to own guns and also, in the views of many critics, helped usher in a culture that sees more of its own people killed by fellow citizens armed with guns than in any other high-income nation in the world.

Gun-related deaths unfold in tragic circumstances across the country daily, with more than 1,800 people killed by guns this year alone, according to Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit group. But it is often mass shootings that reignite the debate over gun control in the US and that shine the spotlight on its position as a global outlier.

Here's a look at how America's gun culture compares to the rest of the world.

The number of firearms available to American civilians is estimated at around 310 million, according to a 2009 National Institute of Justice (NIJ) report.

 

[wilbur]

Wilbur!! I know you had training, so what is the solution to all this nonsense??!!

So nothing???

Eliminate poverty.

 

[Occasionally]

Eliminate poverty.

Mass shootings aren't always done by poor people.

 

[wilbur]

I love how US people resort to guns to settle disputes and anger. Name one other western country that has its citizens do this.

I can see war torn countries filled with roaming bandits and pillagers leading to people wanting to arm themselves. But the US is NOT full of rebels and swarms of people in jeeps trying to shoot up villages and wipe out a town.

However, in the US, guns are purchased for recreation and attacking, instead of home defence.

Wrong! When you factor out inner city gun violence, the rate of homicide in middle america is no worse than in Canada.

Most legal handguns in the US are purchased for self defense. Those using guns for attacking are habitual criminals, and they don't buy their guns from the local gun store.

You fail to distinguish between habitual criminals and ordinary citizens.

 

[Butler1000]

The mainstream media are making you think that 'Kids' are mobilizing, by publishing a few offensive Tweets on the news.

It makes great opportunities for generating more advertising revenue by dragging out the story for a while longer. When that story runs out of steam, they'll get back to slagging Putin the bogeyman.

You haven't been watching the news have you.

These kids aren't cowering. They called the NRA child killers live on camera and are planning to march to Washington to confront the politicians. To demand they stop taking money. Or be labeled the same.

There are groups all across the country now mobilising. And several existing groups backing them.

These kids aren't victims. There are on the attack.

I don't think they will end it soon. But I think they are about to change the conversation at a fundamental level that will eventually be the catalyst for change.

 

[Occasionally]

Wrong! When you factor out inner city gun violence, the rate of homicide in middle america is no worse than in Canada.

Most legal handguns in the US are purchased for self defense. Those using guns for attacking are habitual criminals, and they don't buy their guns from the local gun store.

You fail to distinguish between habitual criminals and ordinary citizens.

The majority of these school shootings aren't in slummy ghetto schools.

The people doing mass shootings are not hardened crooks. Many of them are young people who somehow accumulated bags of gear and went shooting classmates.

Bottom line is gun violence is out of control vs. other western countries. So trying to even things out by excluding groups of people is trying to skew stats.

Also, Canada as a country is closer to the US (culture, stores, economy etc...). So it's natural things may seem kind of close between them. However, compare US gun crime and killings vs. European countries, Australia, and wealthy Asian countries like Japan, Korea, Singapore etc.... and I bet the US is still the worst.

 

[Butler1000]

Wrong! When you factor out inner city gun violence, the rate of homicide in middle america is no worse than in Canada.

Most legal handguns in the US are purchased for self defense. Those using guns for attacking are habitual criminals, and they don't buy their guns from the local gun store.

You fail to distinguish between habitual criminals and ordinary citizens.

Why wouldn't you include all deaths from guns. And btw the meth opioid epidemic is causing as much violence in small town America as anywhere.

Drugs and guns are now an issue in white suburbia. And getting worse.

 

[Occasionally]

Why wouldn't you include all deaths from guns. And btw the meth opioid epidemic is causing as much violence in small town America as anywhere.

Drugs and guns are now an issue in white suburbia. And getting worse.

Because he's trying to skew stats as best as possible.

Who knew US crime statistics could even be dissected between ghettos and suburbs????

 

[wilbur]

Mass shootings aren't always done by poor people.

Mass shootings do not represent the majority of gun homicides. It's a very small fraction.

Most gun crime is done by criminals on criminals, and criminals on poor people in inner cities.

Eliminating semi-automatic rifles (the scary looking ones) will not reduce the numbers of mass shootings, as handguns can be just as efficient at close quarters.

 

[wilbur]

Because he's trying to skew stats as best as possible.

Who knew US crime statistics could even be dissected between ghettos and suburbs????

It's not difficult to figure out. Police statistics do make the difference. Police still do investigate homicides, even if they don't catch a culprit.

 

[Occasionally]

Mass shootings do not represent the majority of gun homicides. It's a very small fraction.

Most gun crime is done by criminals on criminals, and criminals on poor people in inner cities.

Eliminating semi-automatic rifles (the scary looking ones) will not reduce the numbers of mass shootings, as handguns can be just as efficient at close quarters.

I never said mass shootings are the majority.

But the US seems to have many of them. Probably more than all other rich countries combined. So it shows too many guns are getting into the hands of unstable people. And because it's easy to get bags of gear, it makes things like school shootings common fare in the US, but very rare elsewhere.

 

[Butler1000]

Mass shootings do not represent the majority of gun homicides. It's a very small fraction.

Most gun crime is done by criminals on criminals, and criminals on poor people in inner cities.

Eliminating semi-automatic rifles (the scary looking ones) will not reduce the numbers of mass shootings, as handguns can be just as efficient at close quarters.

True. Which is why most gun ownership should be restricted to 5 mag bolt action rifles for hunting and two shot shotguns for the same.

There is NO reason for any civilian to have a handgun. They are solely for the purpose of killing another human being and have no place in a civilized society.

Somehow the rest of the western world gets along fine without them in the general populace.

Is the USA and it's citizens so low that we should qualify them for shithole status?

 

[Butler1000]

It's not difficult to figure out. Police statistics do make the difference. Police still do investigate homicides, even if they don't catch a culprit.

You stated only inner city crime should be eliminated. What about drug related shootings in small towns?

 

[Occasionally]

True. Which is why most gun ownership should be restricted to 5 mag bolt action rifles for hunting and two shot shotguns for the same.

There is NO reason for any civilian to have a handgun. They are solely for the purpose of killing another human being and have no place in a civilized society.

Somehow the rest of the western world gets along fine without them in the general populace.

Is the USA and it's citizens so low that we should qualify them for shithole status?

it's a culture thing. The US loves guns.

Never mind a handgun, Americans have their love for rifles, AR-15s and bags of ammo boxes. There's a culture going on which makes Americans wanting to load up on weapons.

There's a difference between someone owning a handgun and small box of bullets vs. the American who goes to gun ranges, has 2 pistols, 2 rifles, a shotgun, a modified AR-15. There aren't too many people in other rich countries who go all out with gear.

Even if someone is perfectly law abiding, some reason an American is more prone to get excitement messing around with guns than let's say someone from Germany, Spain, Canada or Korea no matter how easy it is to get guns.... since anyone can probably find website to get guns delivered online with no checks.

But you don't get a sense on non-Americans stocking up their basement with a gun room.

 

[wilbur]

Why wouldn't you include all deaths from guns. And btw the meth opioid epidemic is causing as much violence in small town America as anywhere.

Drugs and guns are now an issue in white suburbia. And getting worse.

White suburbia is getting a lot poorer. People have trouble making ends meet. Drug culture is invading, especially young people. Drug culture invites criminal activity and criminal activity brings its guns along.

But there is still more gun crime in the inner cities than in suburbia. Take Chicago, for instance. There has been about 650 gun murders this year alone. That's not in the suburbs but in very poor urban areas.

A sound society with a public infrastructure that keeps people from getting desperate is the foundation of a peaceful society. The US is collapsing socially because 53% if its federal budget goes to the military instead of infrastructure and programs that maintain social peace. Canada spends about 8% of its budget on the military.