From someone other than the NRA, the fact that the guy was allowed to have guns despite being visited by authorities 39 times would be the troubling part.
Sadly gun laws left LE no ability to do anything about him and his guns.
Shooting at a Florida high school
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Sadly gun laws left LE no ability to do anything about him and his guns.
smallcock a lot of people agree with you except for one point, he should not have been able to get a gun - right.
The kid is autistic: https://www.debatepolitics.com/redi...ally/wcm/b146a64e-a2c2-4ba3-9e10-cde647f77500
Maybe other countries' aren't obsessed with violence in the media and video games.
Odd how USA seems to blame everything on video games and mental illness yet other countries in the world do not have the same issues with guns
Why is Switzerland, where 40% of households own at least a firearm, where target shooting is an extremely popular national sport, has one of the lowest rates of firearm homicide?
I'll tell you why: because its society is way less violent, because it has a social safety net that pretty well eliminates the causes of gun crimes, like extreme poverty, and desperate people who have to resort to crime to survive (drugs and prostitution that is criminalized) and untreated mental illness. In the US in the 1970's most state mental institutions were closed to save money, with the assurance that seriously mentally ill people could be released in the general population and treated with drugs; didn't work out too well as a great many of these people wind up on skid row as they are unable to hold any job. Mentally ill people represent a significant proportion of people in US Prisons, and US prisons are not suited to treating mentally ill people.
In Jamaica, all guns are banned. But it has a firearm homicide rate 6 times higher than the US. It's because it's a violent society with a lot of people with no hope and little to lose.
If you stop comparing the US with Canada for a second, you will find that overall, the rate of gun related homicide is not proportional to the number of guns in circulation: It's related to the violence of its society, and is prevalent on societies with the greatest social inequities. Banning guns does not solve the core problem.
I was surprised to see that Canada was #2 (albeit a distant 2nd) behind US in gun fatalities per capita. I don't even know where I would get a gun here other than a hunting/sporting goods store.
The enthusiasm from the kids in FLA is amazing to see. Perhaps this time we'll see a bit more of a groundswell for change as a result. I love seeing Rick Scott and Rubio perform some mental gymnastics to avoid blaming guns.
Why doesn't the US just divide the physical country in half and all republicans live one one side and dems the other? Let each go their own way and run things based on their own ideology which is almost exactly split 50/50 from a popular vote perspective
The enthusiasm from the kids in FLA is amazing to see. Perhaps this time we'll see a bit more of a groundswell for change as a result. I love seeing Rick Scott and Rubio perform some mental gymnastics to avoid blaming guns.
Why doesn't the US just divide the physical country in half and all republicans live one one side and dems the other? Let each go their own way and run things based on their own ideology which is almost exactly split 50/50 from a popular vote perspective
Maybe not, but sometimes you have to start by treating the symptoms. There may still be the same number of desperate people willing to be violent, but with fewer guns available, it makes it harder for them to get their hands on one. It seems that would be easier to do this than overhaul the social fabric of an entire country, which is pretty much what I think you are saying.
Think about it. Compare how long it would take to decrease the number of guns to how long it would take America to become more socialist to decrease the disparity between the haves and the have nots and the number of poor people. It would probably take 100 years and a civil war. Pretty daunting task, even if it is the best approach. Gun control would be a stop gap measure until the core issue is not only addressed but taken care of.
BTW, good post.
Social change can happen pretty fast. It did in the 1930's as a result of the Great Depression. FDR essentially told the US Oligarchs that if they didn't agree to share some of their wealth, then their wealth would be taken away by less agreeable people. That was the start of the New Deal, and the New Deal was the beginning of the US social safety net. I believe that FDR was fearing a revolution. Indeed, the memory of the Russian revolution was very fresh, and there were a lot of US leaders advocating some sort of revolution, whether it be socialist/communist or fascist. The New Deal has been dismantled to a great extent, so the cycle is repeating itself. The next crash is right across the corner. Most revolutions occurr because of great economic hardship, and the US is facing tough challenges in the future because of growing corporatism at the expense of popular well-being.
I've seen such luminaries as Chris Hedges and Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, now professor at William and Mary College, predict a US revolution/major civil unrest inside of 20 years, if the trend to concentration of wealth, growing corporatism, diversion of public funds to foreign wars does not reverse itself. That is the product of neo-liberalism, BTW. Despite what you may see in the MSM, a very large segment of US society is poor, disenfranchised with little to no social safety net and without hope. They also have guns.
As for acting on symptoms, it will not solve anything. Mass shootings are not representative of the higher rates of firearms homicides. They are noticeable because of the numbers of people killed at the same time. The big problem is violence using handguns. Paradoxically, just about nobody in the US advocates banning of handguns, including Hillary. That's because it's universally recognized (rightly or wrongly) that it's an acceptable method of self defense. Homicides using a rifle are relatively few as compared. Banning guns will never succeed anyway, because there are too many voters who are gun owners. There are 85 million handgun owners alone, not counting owners of shotguns and rifles. Except in California Illinois and New England (minus Vermont with virtually no State firearm laws), no politicans can ever survive after having voted for gun bans. Waving the magic wand cannot work in the US democracy.
That's like saying you can't be a criminologist without being a criminal. Or an Egyptologist without being an Egyptian.
https://spacemov.org/movie/watch-017716-miss-sloane-2016-full-movie-free/watching/
Very good movie with another stellar performance by Jessica Chastain. Although made a few years ago, many aspects of the film are connected to the recent shooting in Florids, including a mass shooting at a school and the AR15 where it is noted one can be obtained in 15 minutes, the reactions from those affected by the tragedy, etc....
One can only hope that after the many mass killings that have recently occurred in the US, the right of human safety trumps the right to bear arms. Sadly, it is very unlikely that it will happen for so many reasons. Too bad that profit and the voice and influence of gun manufacturers and owners badly outweighs (not outnumbered) the safety and protection of the majority of individuals.
Very good movie with another stellar performance by Jessica Chastain. Although made a few years ago, many aspects of the film are connected to the recent shooting in Florids, including a mass shooting at a school and the AR15 where it is noted one can be obtained in 15 minutes, the reactions from those affected by the tragedy, etc....
One can only hope that after the many mass killings that have recently occurred in the US, the right of human safety trumps the right to bear arms. Sadly, it is very unlikely that it will happen for so many reasons. Too bad that profit and the voice and influence of gun manufacturers and owners badly outweighs (not outnumbered) the safety and protection of the majority of individuals.
Kids across the USA appear to be mobilizing. The language is of the same type used in the 60's when it comes to being fed up.
I wish them luck. Perhaps some real public shaming can work.
I wish them luck. Perhaps some real public shaming can work.
Looks like something is being done and the murder rates are dropping in some areas. Could Trump's push to go after illegal immigrant gang members be in part making a difference?
Chicago ends 2017 with 650 murders, a grim sign of improvement
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-650-murders-grim-sign-improvement/994281001/
For the first half of 2017, Chicago was on pace to tally more murders than it did in 2016, when the city recorded 771 murders, according to police data. But the department began to see progress as it pressed ahead with its tech surge.
Officers also increased arrests for gun-related violations by 27% and seized 8,600 firearms off the city’s streets.
same old news. US politicians just rewriting the same old prays and thoughts speech with only the change in location and numbers killed. Yip, same old crap, no change and as mass shootings has become more common.
As for Trump's BS illegal immigrant, nothing going to happen. Cuz, yip very sad to say, its a white killer and not on his targeted immigrant list.
As for Trump's BS illegal immigrant, nothing going to happen. Cuz, yip very sad to say, its a white killer and not on his targeted immigrant list.
Fatalities is very misleading though
Long guns account for the greatest number of suicides (and attempts) in Canada
If you are shooting yourself it just does not rank up there with rampages at schools
What Do ALL the Mass Shooters Have in Common? No Father in the Home
http://thebullelephant.com/what-do-all-the-mass-shooters-have-in-common-no-father-in-the-home/
http://thebullelephant.com/what-do-all-the-mass-shooters-have-in-common-no-father-in-the-home/
