Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study

[Keebler Elf]

Has it ever been announced in what year burning coal to generate
electricity will be banned?

Ontario stopped burning coal in 2014.

 

[Occasionally]

Electric cars.... LOL.

So if I drive to Montreal which is about 500 km, how do I do that with a Tesla?

How retarded. A hyped up $100,000 car can't even travel to Toronto's nearest large city, which a gas car from probably 1950 could do it.

 

[Occasionally]

Please explain how this would work in a neighbourhood like mine, where the majority of cars park on the street. First of all, who's going to pay to as you say, modify every light pole? And how does the city/province charge people for that electricity use? Then what about all of the cables stretching from poles to cars across the front of houses, and across sidewalks? Then what do you do where they only allow parking on one side of the street? Have you seen the diameter of these cables? They're not like a home extension cord. What about coiling up that 60' cable when it's been out all night in -15 ℃ weather?

I used to live in a condo years back.

How's a EV going to work if the condo board doesn't allow battery recharging stations in the parking garage? Also, my spot was "a middle spot among a row of cars". I wasn't even near a wall where you could mount a recharging station even if the condo allowed me to drill a hole and install it.

And that is a huge advantage, as is range. If your only commute short distances, then an EV makes scene. Provided you have a regular place to charge it. If you do any kind of traveling, like to go on road trips, to a cottage up north etc. you're limited in where and how far you can go. Hey, let's drive from Toronto to Montreal (or a similar distance) for the weekend is basically out of the question.

We are so far from EVs being practical for most people, which is why sales are so low. Even with the huge incentives, credits rebates etc.

EV are for eco-loving people who don't drive out of town and know that the 200-300 km range will work.

Another inconvenience is that if the car has trouble, a regular gas car can be taken anywhere and fixed up. If an EV car is acting up, how many car shops know how to fix or replace a battery or its engine?

Also, even if you have a house with your own garage, how long is the charging station cord? Not everyone even parks their car in the garage if its fll of junk. Mine is clear so I could if I wanted, but some neighbours seem like pack rats with tons of shit in their garage. They don't even put their car in the garage, not even in winter as there's no space. So an EV user in this situation would have to clear out their garage, or hope they can park the car as close to the garage, install the charging station close to the door and assume the cord is long enough.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Electric cars.... LOL.

So if I drive to Montreal which is about 500 km, how do I do that with a Tesla?

How retarded. A hyped up $100,000 car can't even travel to Toronto's nearest large city, which a gas car from probably 1950 could do it.

There're supercharging stations in kingston, and cornwall. It'll cost you much less and it'll be better for the environment.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

There're supercharging stations in kingston, and cornwall. It'll cost you much less and it'll be better for the environment.

charging on a short trip like that would not be acceptable to me (and I am easy going versus the general public)

 

[Occasionally]

There're supercharging stations in kingston, and cornwall. It'll cost you much less and it'll be better for the environment.

And how long does it take to super charge a battery? I can fill a tank of gas at any time in a few minutes..... and takes into account pumping the gas and paying for it with a credit card.

According to Google, the distance from Toronto to Niagara Falls is about 130 km. A typical EV car can't even do a round trip without needing a charge. So if someone just wants to chill out in Niagara on a weekend, they got to find a place there that has a charging station and leave it there as they do what they need to do on foot until the car is charged to return home.

 

[George The Curious]

Electric cars.... LOL.

So if I drive to Montreal which is about 500 km, how do I do that with a Tesla?

How retarded. A hyped up $100,000 car can't even travel to Toronto's nearest large city, which a gas car from probably 1950 could do it.

When you buy a gas car, do you ever ask "what is the range"? No, of course not because there are gas stations at every corner, you never worry about running out of fuel. The only reason range anxiety exists for EVs is because of lack of infrastructure, not the fault of EVs. If you have charging terminals at every Timmy's, every resturant, every gas station, at every grocery store, every street corner, you can travel as far as you like.
can you travel to anywhere with gas car where there is no gas station? You will be stuck after 500 km, and stranded there as well.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Also, even if you have a house with your own garage, how long is the charging station cord? Not everyone even parks their car in the garage if its fll of junk. Mine is clear so I could if I wanted, but some neighbours seem like pack rats with tons of shit in their garage. They don't even put their car in the garage, not even in winter as there's no space. So an EV user in this situation would have to clear out their garage, or hope they can park the car as close to the garage, install the charging station close to the door and assume the cord is long enough.

Lol. So they clean their garage. Holy cynical. I know of an EV owner who in 6 years has only replaced her wiper blades. These cars are essentially zero maintenance.

 

[George The Curious]

I used to live in a condo years back.

How's a EV going to work if the condo board doesn't allow battery recharging stations in the parking garage? Also, my spot was "a middle spot among a row of cars". I wasn't even near a wall where you could mount a recharging station even if the condo allowed me to drill a hole and install it.



EV are for eco-loving people who don't drive out of town and know that the 200-300 km range will work.

Another inconvenience is that if the car has trouble, a regular gas car can be taken anywhere and fixed up. If an EV car is acting up, how many car shops know how to fix or replace a battery or its engine?

Also, even if you have a house with your own garage, how long is the charging station cord? Not everyone even parks their car in the garage if its fll of junk. Mine is clear so I could if I wanted, but some neighbours seem like pack rats with tons of shit in their garage. They don't even put their car in the garage, not even in winter as there's no space. So an EV user in this situation would have to clear out their garage, or hope they can park the car as close to the garage, install the charging station close to the door and assume the cord is long enough.

Again, there is no inherent weakness of EV, it's the lack of infrastructure and public support. What if your city or local governemnt ban gas stations? what is the range of gas car then?

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

charging on a short trip like that would not be acceptable to me (and I am easy going versus the general public)

Me neither. That's why I'm waiting for the ranges to increase which will inevitably happen. I plan to own my vehicle for another 8 yrs. then will go electric.

 

[George The Curious]

And how long does it take to super charge a battery? I can fill a tank of gas at any time in a few minutes..... and takes into account pumping the gas and paying for it with a credit card.

According to Google, the distance from Toronto to Niagara Falls is about 130 km. A typical EV car can't even do a round trip without needing a charge. So if someone just wants to chill out in Niagara on a weekend, they got to find a place there that has a charging station and leave it there as they do what they need to do on foot until the car is charged to return home.

I think most EVs with supercharge , or DC fast charge will charge to 80% within 30min. With level 2 charger, it takes 4 - 6 hours. Most dealerships have DC fast charger for free. As far as I know wholefoods supermarket and home depot has free charger on their parking lots, and some banks. Again, with EVs there is no need for special infrastructures like "gas stations", all you need is a cable where you park. With more people using EVs, charging terminals will be everywhere as you go - resturants, coffee shops, even public parking. The cost savings is tremendous, and all the gas stations will be out of business.

 

[Occasionally]

When you buy a gas car, do you ever ask "what is the range"? No, of course not because there are gas stations at every corner, you never worry about running out of fuel. The only reason range anxiety exists for EVs is because of lack of infrastructure, not the fault of EVs. If you have charging terminals at every Timmy's, every resturant, every gas station, at every grocery store, every street corner, you can travel as far as you like.
can you travel to anywhere with gas car where there is no gas station? You will be stuck after 500 km, and stranded there as well.

The key difference is that a typical gas car can probably go about 500 km before refueling. A typical EV car can go what? 150 km from a low end EV to maybe 300 km or so for a Tesla.

So right off the bat, the range is a fraction. Even a big bulky family van has larger range than the best Tesla. Think about that. A huge boxy Dodge Caravan can go further than a Tesla.

Also, even if every building had charging stations for all, how long does it take to charge? I can fill a tank of gas (including paying) in about 2 minutes. How long does it take to charge an EV?

Good you brought up running out of fuel. If a gas car and an EV car both got stranded, all a gas car needs in some fuel in a red gas container. If someone is desperate they walk to a gas station and buy one of those gas cans and return. Or they ask a friend to help them out and get some gas.

What's an EV guy going to do if their car is out of juice? Call a tow truck.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

And how long does it take to super charge a battery? I can fill a tank of gas at any time in a few minutes..... and takes into account pumping the gas and paying for it with a credit card.

According to Google, the distance from Toronto to Niagara Falls is about 130 km. A typical EV car can't even do a round trip without needing a charge. So if someone just wants to chill out in Niagara on a weekend, they got to find a place there that has a charging station and leave it there as they do what they need to do on foot until the car is charged to return home.

Apparently 40 min's gets you to %80 if fully depleted.

 

[George The Curious]

Me neither. That's why I'm waiting for the ranges to increase which will inevitably happen. I plan to own my vehicle for another 8 yrs. then will go electric.

No, you don't get it. Range is NOT the problem. it's the lack of charging infrastructure. Imagine, you can charge ANYWHERE, when you stop to drink coffee, eat lunch at mcdonalds, take a piss. your body needs rest right? If charging infrastructure is everywhere, you don't really need range of 1000km. No gas car owner cares if their car is 300km or 1000km because they can get gas anywhere. If you could charge everywhere, then EV range would not be an issue.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

No, you don't get it. Range is NOT the problem. it's the lack of charging infrastructure. Imagine, you can charge ANYWHERE, when you stop to drink coffee, eat lunch at mcdonalds, take a piss. your body needs rest right? If charging infrastructure is everywhere, you don't really need range of 1000km. No gas car owner cares if their car is 300km or 1000km because they can get gas anywhere. If you could charge everywhere, then EV range would not be an issue.

I do get it...but work brings me to N. Ont. often. I'd love to have an EV today but due to time being of the essence I won't pull the trigger until the infrastructure is in place (and the battery ranges continue to increase).

 

[George The Curious]

What's an EV guy going to do if their car is out of juice? Call a tow truck.

There are emergency portable chargers will give you enough juice till you make to the nearest charging spot.

 

[George The Curious]

I do get it...but work brings me to N. Ont. often. I'd love to have an EV today but due to time being of the essence I won't pull the trigger until the infrastructure is in place (and the battery ranges continue to increase).

Yes, I would focus on infrastructure, not the range. because even if you plan the trip with enough range, unexpected can happen such as bad weather or road closure forcing you to take longer detour, and then you might run out of range. But if there was charging spots everywhere - along any detour or roads, then there is no need to worry about range.

 

[Occasionally]

Another problem with EV is the cars. Most are small compact models. I don't think there's even a model that's the usual big SUV or family van which just about every car maker offers, along side larger style sedans. It might be fine for someone who's single and likes to drive something the size of a Hyundai, but the usual EV car is not suited well for families, long trips, or someone needing a vehicle with lots of space.

So if you want an EV, you got to pick a small sedan. A Tesla might be the biggest sedan out there (might be wrong) eyeballing pictures.

So for range, it's bad enough. I'm sure EV makers have other designs in their R&D dept but those bigger cars are heavier, so that eats up power.

 

[George The Curious]

The key difference is that a typical gas car can probably go about 500 km before refueling. A typical EV car can go what? 150 km from a low end EV to maybe 300 km or so for a Tesla.

Tesla range is 300 miles, or 425 km. last genenration low end EVs are around 100 km or so. But all the new EVs from 2017 should have close to 200km+ range.
Again, people should focus on infrastructure, and demand infrastructure improvement, not the range. throwing money to increase range if not the answer. It's far easier and profitable if charging infrastructure was more widespread.

 

[George The Curious]

Another problem with EV is the cars. Most are small compact models. I don't think there's even a model that's the usual big SUV or family van which just about every car maker offers, along side larger style sedans. It might be fine for someone who's single and likes to drive something the size of a Hyundai, but the usual EV car is not suited well for families, long trips, or someone needing a vehicle with lots of space.

So if you want an EV, you got to pick a small sedan. A Tesla might be the biggest sedan out there (might be wrong) eyeballing pictures.

So for range, it's bad enough. I'm sure EV makers have other designs in their R&D dept but those bigger cars are heavier, so that eats up power.

In fact, larger EVs, SUV EVs are easier to make because they can hold more battery. Lots are already in the plans for 2018
Jaguar i-Pace: https://www.jaguar.ca/en/all-models/i-pace-concept-car/index.html
Audi e-tron: http://www.businessinsider.com/audi-e-tron-sportback-electric-crossover-concept-photos-2017-4
Mercedes EQ: https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/next/e-mobility/concept-eq-mobility-revisited/

Seeing all the traditional car makers are going EV, there is no question future EVs will replace gas cars. I'd put money on EVs for growth for sure.