Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study

[Occasionally]

Yes, I would focus on infrastructure, not the range. because even if you plan the trip with enough range, unexpected can happen such as bad weather or road closure forcing you to take longer detour, and then you might run out of range. But if there was charging spots everywhere - along any detour or roads, then there is no need to worry about range.

I'd focus on range first.

That way, people don't have to worry about their car being 200 km range and needing to charge up at home or find a super charging station. People can drive freely without needing to find a charging station. At some point they will need one, but there should already be enough of them sprinkled across big cities.

It's already bad enough that charging a car takes forever compared to a 2 minute gas fill up.

It's like cell phones. Do people really need bigger and better batteries in every new iPhone? There's a power plug in every room, and you can charge it in your car. So really anyone should theoretically be able to live with a battery that lasts only an hour.

But batteries get better and last longer over time. People want that so they don't get inconvenienced needing to have their charging cord handy. And they want to charge their phone as infrequent as possible even if there's a power outlet 6 ft away.

Also, the bigger the battery, the more you can do with it until it needs charging. Some apps, games, etc.... all drain the battery. The bigger and better tea battery, the more they can do with it...... like a bigger better battery giving drivers longer range to drive to somewhere as common as Niagara Falls or Montreal without scrounging for a super charger.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

Me neither. That's why I'm waiting for the ranges to increase which will inevitably happen. I plan to own my vehicle for another 8 yrs. then will go electric.

If the ranges go up as well as the battery life (I buy new and keep my cars for 15 years) then I will definitely consider - my current cars have ranges of 750km and 900km (not diesel) and I take long family trips regularly. There is no way we would have time to keep charging our car during the trip.

 

[Occasionally]

If the ranges go up as well as the battery life (I buy new and keep my cars for 15 years) then I will definitely consider - my current cars have ranges of 750km and 900km (not diesel) and I take long family trips regularly. There is no way we would have time to keep charging our car during the trip.

If EV cars looked better and they had let's say a range of 500km+, I'd consider it too. And at a reasonable price. I don't want to need to buy a Tesla S to get that kind of range.

That way, I can do whatever I want and only need to charge it at home, or at a hotel (assuming they got charging spots).

Aside from one time, we took my car to do an east coast trip that was 1,000 km, my longest drive is probably Montreal range which is about 500 km (according to Google). And Ottawa trips are I'd estimate at 350 km. So it would need range to cover this without sitting there looking for super charging stations sitting there for an hour.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

I am sure all of you people are smartr enough to know that once the scale is tipped assuming there is an onslaught of electric cars then there will be no more freebees.

I think most EVs with supercharge , or DC fast charge will charge to 80% within 30min. With level 2 charger, it takes 4 - 6 hours. Most dealerships have DC fast charger for free. As far as I know wholefoods supermarket and home depot has free charger on their parking lots, and some banks. Again, with EVs there is no need for special infrastructures like "gas stations", all you need is a cable where you park. With more people using EVs, charging terminals will be everywhere as you go - resturants, coffee shops, even public parking. The cost savings is tremendous, and all the gas stations will be out of business.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

I usually cover 1100 km in a day on my trips and I just fill up once during lunch which is usually a 3 minute ordeal.

If EV cars looked better and they had let's say a range of 500km+, I'd consider it too. And at a reasonable price. I don't want to need to buy a Tesla S to get that kind of range.

That way, I can do whatever I want and only need to charge it at home, or at a hotel (assuming they got charging spots).

Aside from one time, we took my car to do an east coast trip that was 1,000 km, my longest drive is probably Montreal range which is about 500 km (according to Google). And Ottawa trips are I'd estimate at 350 km. So it would need range to cover this without sitting there looking for super charging stations sitting there for an hour.

 

[George The Curious]

I am sure all of you people are smartr enough to know that once the scale is tipped assuming there is an onslaught of electric cars then there will be no more freebees.

That is unknown. I think initially there will be lot of free charging spots at coffee shops and grocery stores, banks, hotels etc. as these businesses try to entice customers to come to spend money to them instead of competition. So by offering complimentary free charging will be a smart business move. Afterall, the additional hydro is really neglegible for these large businesses, and added foot traffic will more than enough to make up for it.
But the fast chargers will definitely cost money, and people who need their cars charged fast, will be willing to pay for it. These who are willing to spend 1 hr+ time at mall or restaurant can use free slow charger.

 

[Occasionally]

I usually cover 1100 km in a day on my trips and I just fill up once during lunch which is usually a 3 minute ordeal.

With your huge road trips, a typical EV car is maybe 200 km range (I took a go-between of a Tesla and low end EV), so in one day covering 1,000+ km, you'd need to charge your car 5 times.

 

[George The Curious]

If EV cars looked better and they had let's say a range of 500km+, I'd consider it too. And at a reasonable price. I don't want to need to buy a Tesla S to get that kind of range.

That way, I can do whatever I want and only need to charge it at home, or at a hotel (assuming they got charging spots).

Aside from one time, we took my car to do an east coast trip that was 1,000 km, my longest drive is probably Montreal range which is about 500 km (according to Google). And Ottawa trips are I'd estimate at 350 km. So it would need range to cover this without sitting there looking for super charging stations sitting there for an hour.

There are already working solid state battery in the lab with 3 times charge capacity and 1/2 charging time. this would bring future Tesla to range of 1200 km, and charging time to 15 min. But mass production is another problem to overcome , just takes time I guess.

 

[Occasionally]

There are already working solid state battery in the lab with 3 times charge capacity and 1/2 charging time. this would bring future Tesla to range of 1200 km, and charging time to 15 min. But mass production is another problem to overcome , just takes time I guess.

Now if this comes true down the line, then I would consider it if the looks and price are reasonable. That way, I don't even care about infrastructure. The sprinkle of charging spots strewn across the city wouldn't be needed as I can do whatever I want and just charge it at home.

For road trips, all I would need is access to existing charging spots that a good hotel probably already has in their underground parking. With a 1,000+ km battery, I can get there in one shot, charge it, and make it home in one shot too. If it's a Montreal trip, it looks like a 1,200 km battery wouldn't even need a charge.

That's why I mentioned above range first, infrastructure second. That way, I can handle 99% of the charging myself in my garage as it charges overnight and I don't have to worry about any hassles of charging on the go and sitting there waiting at a super charging spot. The other 1% is road trips where I charge at the hotel.

 

[oil&gas]

Ontario stopped burning coal in 2014.

Ontario and much of the rest of Canada is blessed with
abundant water hydro resources. It is not as easy for
China, India and many other regions to phase out coal
as the primary fuel for power generation.

Eventually our vehicles will all be converted to
EVs by the time we run out of economical fossil
fuel resources.

 

[George The Curious]

If EV cars looked better and they had let's say a range of 500km+, I'd consider it too. And at a reasonable price. I don't want to need to buy a Tesla S to get that kind of range.

That way, I can do whatever I want and only need to charge it at home, or at a hotel (assuming they got charging spots).

Aside from one time, we took my car to do an east coast trip that was 1,000 km, my longest drive is probably Montreal range which is about 500 km (according to Google). And Ottawa trips are I'd estimate at 350 km. So it would need range to cover this without sitting there looking for super charging stations sitting there for an hour.

As I said in post #184, if your lifestyle demands you to make frequent road trips, EV is not right for you at current time because of lack of infrastructures, and range. However, for me, I rarely go outside of city, maybe 1 - 2 roadtrips a year, and no further than Barrie or London. If I have to go further, I'd just rent a car. The fuel savings alone amounts to more than $10,000 after 5 - 6 years. For daily city driving, current EV range is enough.
I'd imagine vast majority of population rarely take car for roadtrip more than 3 times a year. Yet they insist on range anxiety of EVs as an excuse. Is the reason to own a gas car just so that you can fulfill the purpose of long distance travel of less than 1% of total usage, at an expense of fuel, extra maintenance, and noise and pollution?

 

[George The Curious]

Ontario and much of the rest of Canada is blessed with
abundant water hydro resources. It is not as easy for
China, India and many other regions to phase out coal
as the primary fuel for power generation.

Eventually our vehicles will all be converted to
EVs by the time we run out of economical fossil
fuel resources.

Unlike the West, China and India are embracing nuclear and solar power. Most of solar panels are made in China, and 50+ nuke plants are under construction in China.

 

[Occasionally]

As I said in post #184, if your lifestyle demands you to make frequent road trips, EV is not right for you at current time because of lack of infrastructures, and range. However, for me, I rarely go outside of city, maybe 1 - 2 roadtrips a year, and no further than Barrie or London. If I have to go further, I'd just rent a car. The fuel savings alone amounts to more than $10,000 after 5 - 6 years. For daily city driving, current EV range is enough.
I'd imagine vast majority of population rarely take car for roadtrip more than 3 times a year. Yet they insist on range anxiety of EVs as an excuse. Is the reason to own a gas car just so that you can fulfill the purpose of long distance travel of less than 1% of total usage, at an expense of fuel, extra maintenance, and noise and pollution?

It's not just range anxiety.

Some people just can't do it if they wanted to.

As I said before, I used to live in a condo with parking spot in the middle of a row (not against a wall). The condo might not even allow me to install a charging station. Also, even if they did, what am I going to do? Install it on a concrete pillar?

Also as someone said before, not everyone even has a garage. Some people have street parking.

So there's a lot more to it then just road trips.

Also, there's the super charging wait time. At least 30 minutes and that's not even a full charge. Waste of time if you are on the go.

Infrastructure is a costly thing. You're dreaming of a world with hardly any gas stations, where tons of stores and businesses have free charging kits. Not happening anytime soon. And not in your lifetime. You're expecting every business to install charging stations. Not going to happen.

The best thing for EV acceptance is better batteries (which you mentioned). That way, hardly anyone even has to care about EV charging stations. Unlike gas stations, every EV owner has their own station at home. Having both home and electric charging stations everywhere is redundant. It's exponentially adding charging stations everywhere, since you want a place of charging kits at every place. Gas stations are here and there which is fine with me. Each gas station probably serves 100s of cars every day..... maybe even 1,000 at a busy intersection. How is any charging station going to service 100s or 1,000 cars when everyone has to wait at least 30 minutes to super charge it? It can't.

It would be a total waste for tons of charging plugs to be at every building.

 

[oil&gas]

My advice to those who are looking to buy a EV. Buy a
Tesla only if you are rich. You will be better off to hold off
your purchase until Toyota finally releases its next generation EVs running on solid-state battery.

 

[George The Curious]

It's not just range anxiety.

Some people just can't do it if they wanted to.

As I said before, I used to live in a condo with parking spot in the middle of a row (not against a wall). The condo might not even allow me to install a charging station. Also, even if they did, what am I going to do? Install it on a concrete pillar?

Also as someone said before, not everyone even has a garage. Some people have street parking.

So there's a lot more to it then just road trips.

Also, there's the super charging wait time. At least 30 minutes and that's not even a full charge. Waste of time if you are on the go.

Infrastructure is a costly thing. You're dreaming of a world with hardly any gas stations, where tons of stores and businesses have free charging kits. Not happening anytime soon. And not in your lifetime. You're expecting every business to install charging stations. Not going to happen.

The best thing for EV acceptance is better batteries (which you mentioned). That way, hardly anyone even has to care about EV charging stations. Unlike gas stations, every EV owner has their own station at home. Having both home and electric charging stations everywhere is redundant. It's exponentially adding charging stations everywhere, since you want a place of charging kits at every place. Gas stations are here and there which is fine with me. Each gas station probably serves 100s of cars every day..... maybe even 1,000 at a busy intersection. How is any charging station going to service 100s or 1,000 cars when everyone has to wait at least 30 minutes to super charge it? It can't.

It would be a total waste for tons of charging plugs to be at every building.

True, if you live in apartment, currently, you can't have EV unless the parking installs the chargers. In theory, you don't need to install chargers at wall or post. they could be under the floor too, thus enabling every parking lot with charger. This widespread technology could be 10 - 20 years away. So for now, you need a house and driveway to own an EV. I think owning an EV will become more a status symbol that's why all the luxury car makers are rushing to make them

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

Another thing that comes to mind - am I supoosed to be plugging and unplugging the damn car every time I park it. I am too lazy to even use keys in my cars, I am totally keyless now...

 

[JohnHenry]

Another thing that comes to mind - am I supoosed to be plugging and unplugging the damn car every time I park it. I am too lazy to even use keys in my cars, I am totally keyless now...

there was a rerun of the april 27th Autoline on pbs this morning. a Ford VP said they have a 2021 model in the works just for you. it has no steering wheel.

 

[George The Curious]

Another thing that comes to mind - am I supoosed to be plugging and unplugging the damn car every time I park it. I am too lazy to even use keys in my cars, I am totally keyless now...

That's not true. Most of EVs are of range 250km . Average commuters travel 50km a day, you should only have to charge one night every 3 - 5 days.

 

[oil&gas]

An autonomous EV without a steering wheel doesn't
need to be plugged in?

there was a rerun of the april 27th Autoline on pbs this morning. a Ford VP said they have a 2021 model in the works just for you. it has no steering wheel. [QUO

 

[JohnHenry]

it can take itself to the charging station while he is at work.