Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study

[GPIDEAL]

Problem is,...that can only happen once for the Tesla,...it blew its load making that run.

He could've done it again. He left the country, returned to NYC and still had 21 miles left before re-charging. But you're right, he couldn't enter into a drag race competition involving multiple races. Juice would be used quickly.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Watch Top Gear as Rory in his Tesla Model X destroys a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. Absolutely destroys it.

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tgtv-s23-rory-reid-tesla-model-x

Fun stuff starts about 4:40.

Amazing.

Now you I know what to buy after I wind the lottery.

 

[MattRoxx]

With people who are in nice houses that have a place for a charging station.

But as has been said. No parking? On street parking? Apartment buildings? Condo's? Apartments above stores? Basement apartments? Installation is anywhere from up to 9 thousand per station I've seen with installation costs. Then there is upkeep. And how well do they work in cold weather.

And that's just in Toronto. Try to install in NY city? San Francisco? Chicago? New Orleans?

How about all those narrow streets in many European cities? And having to dig up like crazy to install things.

It's a nice idea for people who make a good double income and are single home owners with a garage. Beyond that we can talk again in say 20 years.

Apartment buildings, condos and New York parking garages would have the easiest time providing EV charging. The infrastructure is mostly in place, the fee could be added to monthly rent, condo or parking fee, and there are a lot of vehicles in a small area.
You're just inventing "problems" without even taking a few seconds to consider solutions.

With my daily commute, I would only need to charge up every seven to ten days. I don't see that as a huge insurmountable problem that technology will never solve.
You would have to be commuting hundreds of kilometers every day to need a nightly charge for the nightmare scenario you have imagined.

Something else came to mind about this whole "only gas can power vehicles" attitude. . I'm old enough to remember the 70s

During two separate oil crises in the 1970s, Americans from coast to coast faced persistent gas shortages as the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC, flexed its muscles and disrupted oil supplies.

In 1973 and again in 1979, drivers frequently faced around-the-block lines when they tried to fill up.

Drivers would go to stations before dawn or late at night, hoping to avoid the lines.

Odd-even rationing was introduced — meaning that if the last digit on your license plate was odd, you could get gas only on odd-numbered days. New Jersey and New York have just reintroduced the system.

Back in the '70s, some gas stations took to posting flags — green if they had gas, yellow if rationing was in effect and red if they were out of gas.

To conserve gas, the maximum speed limit was cut to 55 miles per hour. To cut energy consumption in the broader economy, daylight saving time was introduced year-round at the beginning of 1974, facing criticism from parents whose kids had to go to school before sunrise in the winter months.

When the second crisis hit in 1979-80, President Carter described combating it as the "moral equivalent of war," and many Americans feared that oil shocks would be a recurring nightmare.

 

[Butler1000]

Apartment buildings, condos and New York parking garages would have the easiest time providing EV charging. The infrastructure is mostly in place, the fee could be added to monthly rent, condo or parking fee, and there are a lot of vehicles in a small area.
You're just inventing "problems" without even taking a few seconds to consider solutions.

With my daily commute, I would only need to charge up every seven to ten days. I don't see that as a huge insurmountable problem that technology will never solve.
You would have to be commuting hundreds of kilometers every day to need a nightly charge for the nightmare scenario you have imagined.

Something else came to mind about this whole "only gas can power vehicles" attitude. . I'm old enough to remember the 70s

Matt. You do realize they haven't even come up with a standardized charging port yet for all the different brands right?

So which one are you going to install in the public areas. And which one does the condo board go for?

 

[desert monk]

Extreme-leftist academic day wishful thinking. People this delusional are only employable in government or academia, their have no skills or abilities that are in demand in the free market.

 

[MattRoxx]

Matt. You do realize they haven't even come up with a standardized charging port yet for all the different brands right?

So which one are you going to install in the public areas. And which one does the condo board go for?

Yeah electricity is such a strange arcane energy form. That's why when you go to Europe you can't use your phone or laptop, because their electricity is so alien to ours. Oh wait, all it takes is a $10 adapter.
How can a gas station sell both gasoline and diesel?! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Extreme-leftist academic day wishful thinking. People this delusional are only employable in government or academia, their have no skills or abilities that are in demand in the free market.

Sure, the "extreme left" that have no skills concerning the free market: Ford Motor Company, Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen...

 

[Butler1000]

Yeah electricity is such a strange arcane energy form. That's why when you go to Europe you can't use your phone or laptop, because their electricity is so alien to ours. Oh wait, all it takes is a $10 adapter.
Come on, at least think about what you type before hitting, "Post".


Sure, the "extreme left" that have no skills concerning the free market: Ford Motor Company, Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi.

I'm talking about the actual plug into the car.

As in try to charge your sammsung phone with an apple charger.

They all have different male and female connections. Although I read Gm and Ford did decide on one. But Tesla is different from them, and the euro cars different as well.

So again. Which one do you use? Install?

Now who isn't thinking when they post?

 

[cozzens]

Yep! Unless battery technology improves 10 fold in the next couple years, range will be a major issue. take a 5 ton truck with a dump bed for example. Can you imagine the size of the batteries required to run that all day long with current technology? It's laughable!

And just where is all this electricity going to come from ?

 

[MattRoxx]

I'm talking about the actual plug into the car.

As in try to charge your sammsung phone with an apple charger.

They all have different male and female connections. Although I read Gm and Ford did decide on one. But Tesla is different from them, and the euro cars different as well.

So again. Which one do you use? Install?

Now who isn't thinking when they post?

The service is the same 240 volts for all vehicles. I don't see this as a problem that can't be easily fixed. The charger is in the car. The supply could allow for different cables to be plugged in. This is a silly 'problem' you've come up with and will in no way slow down the sale of EVs.
Samsung and Apple both plug into the same wall or USB socket supplying the charge.
You. You are who isn't thinking, it's like you're being deliberately stupid.

 

[Butler1000]

The service is the same 240 volts for all vehicles. I don't see this as a problem that can't be easily fixed. The charger is in the car. The supply could allow for different cables to be plugged in. This is a silly 'problem' you've come up with and will in no way slow down the sale of EVs.
Samsung and Apple both plug into the same wall or USB socket supplying the charge.
You. You are who isn't thinking, it's like you're being deliberately stupid.

Dude. Just to be direct.

When you are talking about the charging stations you are talking about a SPECIFIC type of plug that ONLY plugs into that model. And on the car end will ONLY allow for one type of plg to fit.

This isn't the difference of Europe and NA voltage. There is standard plug in for regular charging yes. The one that gets you about 4-6 km of range per HOUR. We are discussing the fast chargers. Which is what will be needed all over the city to make it worthwhile. Especially for fleet vehicles, delivery vehicles, etal. As well as public streets.

And there is no standardized plug. And that is the key to making the infrastructure change a success.

Come back when the car companies, or the market, decides on ONE standard. One type of connection for the charging stations.

 

[MattRoxx]

i'm going to get so fucking rich. In 30 seconds I've designed a charging station that 21 vehicles can plug in to at the same time. It takes turns charging them up based on programmable parameters.
It monitors records and can transmit via WiFi the current pulled by each vehicle and the charging time (eg to show users how much they will be billed ). The unit can be customized to order, is modular so more and different cars can be accommodated. Options include meters at each port, and an add-on unit for printable receipts.

*Patent Pending

 

[Butler1000]

i'm going to get so fucking rich. In 30 seconds I've designed a charging station that 21 vehicles can plug in to at the same time. It takes turns charging them up based on programmable parameters.

You do realize that all vehicles are female. So I don't see space for all the wires. And on the high speed stations the charging connections can be as big as a fire hose.

As well how big would the main wire into your fictitious station have to be. And how long the smaller wire connections for you several vehicles to park around it.

Think in terms of VHS vs Beta. That's what has to happen to make it viable.

Talk to an engineer.

 

[ashley4]

My Tesla has an eight year battery warranty. I've had it 3 1/2 years and I figured that after 8, the battery cost would have dropped substantially.

 

[FAST]

My Tesla has an eight year battery warranty. I've had it 3 1/2 years and I figured that after 8, the battery cost would have dropped substantially.

HI Ashley.

Is the battery warranty prorated,...???

 

[GameBoy27]

Your ICE car has a battery. Everything around you is running on electricity. Everything around you that moves has an electric motor. It's not some secret arcane science fiction energy form that is and always wilt be inaccessible.

I don't understand the loyalty or addiction to gasoline. Electric car is quieter, has significantly fewer moving parts, no engine, no transmission (gears), no exhaust. The price will come down as production ramps up and there will be incremental improvements.

It's not that I have an addiction or loyalty to gasoline, rather it's just not currently cost effective to purchase a hybrid or EV as compared to one with an ICE at today's gas prices. Maybe in years to come, but not right now. And 100% EVs are useless for anyone like me who takes several long road trips each year.

Then there's the America Automobile Association study in southern California which found that extreme cold could reduce range of an electric car by up to 57 per cent.

 

[FAST]

It's not that I have an addiction or loyalty to gasoline, rather it's just not currently cost effective to purchase a hybrid or EV as compared to one with an ICE at today's gas prices. Maybe in years to come, but not right now. And 100% EVs are useless for anyone like me who takes several long road trips each year.

Then there's the America Automobile Association study in southern California which found that extreme cold could reduce range of an electric car by up to 57 per cent.

Cold temps reduce lithium batteries output big time,...been known for a long time,...but doesn't sell very well.

 

[MattRoxx]

So many detractors are missing the positive aspects.
YOU COULD GO MONTHS WITHOUT STOPPING AT A GAS STATION. That is amazing convenience.
The overall design is so much simpler, maintenance will save thousands of dollars over the life of the car. No transmission, no engine, no oil to change, no exhaust system.

And right now you could buy an EV for under $30,000 (eg Nissan Leaf or Kia Sol) and get $14,000 rebate.
http://plugndrive.ca/electric-car-i...E2g2282vsxa2kw9q1NsqcR3BKHZNAC98dUaAlXA8P8HAQ

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If I were to eventually buy an EV I'd go with a Tesla

 

[GameBoy27]

So many detractors are missing the positive aspects.
YOU COULD GO MONTHS WITHOUT STOPPING AT A GAS STATION. That is amazing convenience.
The overall design is so much simpler, maintenance will save thousands of dollars over the life of the car. No transmission, no engine, no oil to change, no exhaust system.

And right now you could buy an EV for under $30,000 (eg Nissan Leaf or Kia Sol) and get $14,000 rebate.
http://plugndrive.ca/electric-car-i...E2g2282vsxa2kw9q1NsqcR3BKHZNAC98dUaAlXA8P8HAQ

Nissan Leaf has an advertised range of up to 172 kms. Now if you're driving in the summer with the aircon running or winter with the heat on, your mileage will be significantly less. Starting from a depleted battery it takes about 20 hours to fully charge at 110-120V. This vehicle makes sense for a daily commuter, but that's it. If you want to take a 150 km trip out of town, you may not make it without having to stop and charge it.

Remember, charging at 110-120v will only give you approximately 7-8 kms distance per hour.

 

[exploration]

Not in 8 yrs for sure. 80? Maybe

There will always be a segment of ppl that like their gas cars. Its like people that drive manual, paddle shifting is superior but there is a segment of ppl that like to do a physical gear shift

Also 8 yrs? Who is going to buy my cars off me so i can get into an electrical one. Till that cost curve is so far negative, i will be driving my car because there i s a cost to replace said car plus the math on electricity is still kind of grey imo. Charging stations. Power pack. Etc

Cool statement. I will gove one back. In 8 years. Nothing much would change.