Blacks only graduation at U of T...WTF!

[Aardvark154]

There are people on this forum who accuse blacks of celebrating thugs, hip hop artists and athletes.

Here is a group of blacks who want to celebrate the hard work both financial and academic that they achieved. What's wrong with that especially since race based activities is nothing new in universities. I remember walking through the university center in September of each year and seeing the various race clubs promoting their clubs.

This, however, is different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Black Students Association or the Vietnamese Students Association having a reception for graduating members, but having an event that mimics a graduation: sitting graduates in academic regalia that as already stated sends a unfortunate message.

 

[Mazzi]

haha i read about that too. what a fucking shit show. and they claim to be the ones who are "anti-nazi."

lol yea but you have to wonder, which method got more attention and hence more exposure and relayed the experience of blacks/other miniorities to an un-understanding white majority?

was it foolish or was it calculated? I say well played.

 

[italianguy74]

There are people on this forum who accuse blacks of celebrating thugs, hip hop artists and athletes.

Here is a group of blacks who want to celebrate the hard work both financial and academic that they achieved. What's wrong with that especially since race based activities is nothing new in universities. I remember walking through the university center in September of each year and seeing the various race clubs promoting their clubs.

What financial thing have graduates achieved? a 10k debt? lol
What if these students were recommended to have their own special graduation to celebrate what they have achieved by a white person? Will they still feel special? Segregation is segregation it looks bad on the university and our country.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

This type of thing happens all the time.

There are events where women are invited to job fairs to promote women in fields that are traditionally male dominated.

There was a school board in the GTA that had a gay positive dance for all identified kids in the school board.

There are events for veterans. etc etc etc


The key is that no one is deprived of a graduation.

Furthermore, there is a completely valid reason for some events to cater to certain groups. In this case it happens to be acknowledging their struggles.

If there was a Chinese grad to be done in Mandarin for all the ESL parents I could see the value in that.

So if you want a white only grade go for it..... just provide a reason.

While I get that, for lack of a better term, things are not always black and white. My point is, there will never be a reason acceptable for a "whites" only event. Period. No community here will accept that. EVER. No reason will be good enough.

This, however, is different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Black Students Association or the Vietnamese Students Association having a reception for graduating members, but having an event that mimics a graduation: sitting graduates in academic regalia that as already stated sends a unfortunate message.

Thank you! Unless the school is willing to put on a Asian only, whites only, indian only, etc grad, then this is not acceptable in today's inclusive society.

I don't know how hard it is to understand, do no preach inclusion while accepting exclusion when it suits you.

Cake and pie, pick one but not both. EOD

 

[Samranchoi]

It would be interesting to know exactly what percentage of the black graduates participated in this "black" only graduation celebration. Based upon the story, approx 70 graduates were involved. Was this 10%, 30%, 50%, etc... The percentage may be a more telling number as if those who took part of this graduation were only a small amount of the black graduating classes, maybe those who didn't participate value graduating with all others that they just spent the last few years of their life with more important than celebrating with others that they may not have met before. Or, it could be they think having a black only graduation is a stupid idea.

 

[frankcastle]

This, however, is different. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Black Students Association or the Vietnamese Students Association having a reception for graduating members, but having an event that mimics a graduation: sitting graduates in academic regalia that as already stated sends a unfortunate message.

How does mimicking grad send a bad message? What message is that? Sorry just asking for clarification.

 

[frankcastle]

While I get that, for lack of a better term, things are not always black and white. My point is, there will never be a reason acceptable for a "whites" only event. Period. No community here will accept that. EVER. No reason will be good enough.





Thank you! Unless the school is willing to put on a Asian only, whites only, indian only, etc grad, then this is not acceptable in today's inclusive society.

I don't know how hard it is to understand, do no preach inclusion while accepting exclusion when it suits you.

Cake and pie, pick one but not both. EOD

I'd agree that a whites only grad would probably raise a stink. But that's one of the rare cons of not being a minority.

Blacks can have their all black grad. I'll take having an easier time finding a job, not being harassed by police etc etc etc over a whites only grad any day.

Did U of T EVER say that blacks are the ONLY group that would be afforded an X only grad? And what makes grad so special when throughout the year the various religious/cultural clubs run events all the time? They may not say Chinese only but pretty sure CESA (Chinese engineering student association) events are probably poorly attended by other races.

Socially there are things afforded to women, elderly, children, disabled, minorities that I just accept. I don't really sit there and play tit for tat saying well if this group gets X then why don't I especially for things that would not change my life one bit?

 

[bigshot]

It is hatred. You just disguise your hate with alt-right straw man arguments.

You create a fake/unrelated argument to remove the guilt of not liking this.

The basic premise of this event is to promote education for black people and acknowledge the unique difficulties.

Now you come with a fake argument to remove your guilt for hating the event.

And if you actually read the article, you would have found all the answers to your questions. But we all know you are not really looking for answers. You just want justification for hate.

"Typical idiotic liberal retort. The hatred claim."

 

[frankcastle]

When two people disagree it doesn't mean they are of opposing political view points. Furthermore, a person's stance on one issue doesn't mean they are left or right on all issues.

If two people agree on a topic still doesn't mean they are of the same POV. For example, two people might support black grad for very different reasons.... e.g. celebration vs keep those blacks away from me

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I'd agree that a whites only grad would probably raise a stink. But that's one of the rare cons of not being a minority.

Blacks can have their all black grad. I'll take having an easier time finding a job, not being harassed by police etc etc etc over a whites only grad any day.

Did U of T EVER say that blacks are the ONLY group that would be afforded an X only grad? And what makes grad so special when throughout the year the various religious/cultural clubs run events all the time? They may not say Chinese only but pretty sure CESA (Chinese engineering student association) events are probably poorly attended by other races.

Socially there are things afforded to women, elderly, children, disabled, minorities that I just accept. I don't really sit there and play tit for tat saying well if this group gets X then why don't I especially for things that would not change my life one bit?

I am the same in those regards too, just so we are clear.

I think that parents are male and female and kids should not always go to mom and dad should always pay support.

I think if you have women only gyms, then you should allow for male only ones too.

I think that disabled and children are a different discussion, but would not support exclusion in this regarded if applied to them.

My point is very simple. Everything has its good and bad. Inclusion is great, but it has its draw backs, and this is one of them. Don't scream, fighting, claw, etc to get inclusion, just to then decide you want some exclusiveness. When it comes to white and male, there is no room ever for exclusion. So when it comes to different races, religion or sex, don't be exclusive.

I am not saying play tit for tat, I am saying you take the good with the bad.

 

[frankcastle]

I am the same in those regards too, just so we are clear.

I think that parents are male and female and kids should not always go to mom and dad should always pay support.

I think if you have women only gyms, then you should allow for male only ones too.

I think that disabled and children are a different discussion, but would not support exclusion in this regarded if applied to them.

My point is very simple. Everything has its good and bad. Inclusion is great, but it has its draw backs, and this is one of them. Don't scream, fighting, claw, etc to get inclusion, just to then decide you want some exclusiveness. When it comes to white and male, there is no room ever for exclusion. So when it comes to different races, religion or sex, don't be exclusive.

I am not saying play tit for tat, I am saying you take the good with the bad.

Your argument only works if other minority races were told that "no" they can't have a separate grad. As for whites, well like you said take the good with the bad.

 

[frankcastle]

I am the same in those regards too, just so we are clear.

I think that parents are male and female and kids should not always go to mom and dad should always pay support.

I think if you have women only gyms, then you should allow for male only ones too.

I think that disabled and children are a different discussion, but would not support exclusion in this regarded if applied to them.

My point is very simple. Everything has its good and bad. Inclusion is great, but it has its draw backs, and this is one of them. Don't scream, fighting, claw, etc to get inclusion, just to then decide you want some exclusiveness. When it comes to white and male, there is no room ever for exclusion. So when it comes to different races, religion or sex, don't be exclusive.

I am not saying play tit for tat, I am saying you take the good with the bad.

Also there should be a distinction between different types of exclusion...... ones where there is a negative effect and ones where there isn't an effect.

Is it really exclusion when as a non black I have a perfectly fine option?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Your argument only works if other minority races were told that "no" they can't have a separate grad. As for whites, well like you said take the good with the bad.

You have just made my point, thank you - exclusions against whites is okay because that is just the "bad they have to deal with for all the good they get". Which is not at all what inclusion is about, and certainly a great way to play the tit for tat game you say you want no part of. That right there being apart of the problem not the solution.

Also there should be a distinction between different types of exclusion...... ones where there is a negative effect and ones where there isn't an effect.

There is always a negative affect with racial exclusion - whether you choose to see it or not.

Thanks for the great debate, but work is calling me now.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

"Typical idiotic liberal retort. The hatred claim."

Even if your statement is true, I'm still right. Nothing I said was invalid. That's the part you need to understand.

Anymore diversions?

 

[italianguy74]

100 years from now this graduation will be flipped to a grainy black and white photograph, demonstrating how whites continued to segregate African students by not allowing them to graduate with the white folk. lol It will end up in black history month under the topic of oppression lol.

 

[TeeJay]

Sorry Mr. Perfect.I made 1 spelling mistake.Meant to say BLM not BML.

No there are multiple errors, I just singled out BML since it made me laugh

 

[Aardvark154]

How does mimicking grad send a bad message? What message is that? Sorry just asking for clarification.

So just a few:
I'm not good enough to graduate with White or Asian classmates,
I don't really want to participate in an inclusive society,
I believe in a double standard a White's only graduation ceremony is racist a Blacks only ceremony isn't,
I don't really value the hard work of the Civil Rights Movement to allow me to graduate with my classmates

 

[Aardvark154]

You have just made my point, thank you - exclusions against whites is okay because that is just the "bad they have to deal with for all the good they get". Which is not at all what inclusion is about, and certainly a great way to play the tit for tat game you say you want no part of. That right there being apart of the problem not the solution.

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There is always a negative affect with racial exclusion - whether you choose to see it or not.

Thanks for the great debate, but work is calling me now.

You hit the nail on the head Jessica.

 

[yomero5]

They should have one for all races, ethnic groups and religions. Lets segregate the fuck out of each other.

 

[bazokajoe]

They should have one for all races, ethnic groups and religions. Lets segregate the fuck out of each other.

I think that's the way the world is going.