Final debate

[bver_hunter]

The July 27 speech was weird. What Trump said - “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
Strikes me as a person frustrated by the investigation being stalled, and essentially time being run out intentionally. It also has the feel of being a joke, that missed its mark.

I don't think it was appropriate in the least, but don't consider it treason. Its an example of a flaw In Trump which is that he sometimes speaks without thinking things through.
He has his own 'grey' area with the hidden taxes, and perhaps not have been paying them for a very long time. However, in looking into that topic, Trump last Taxes made public were 1995.
It was asked "Is it legal to avoid paying taxes that long" - The answer was Yes.
Federal tax law allows real estate investors, such as Trump, to declare losses and carry them forward to offset income in future years.

So its not like Trump has done anything illegal if he hasn't paid taxes. What Trump opponents want to know is does he use 'loopholes', what is he really worth, and how much to charity.

But this is really just curiosity, and wouldn't stand to deviate Trump. But the emails are entirely different. Much more seems to going on, the depth of involvement by the FBI, and if Congress was lied to.

...as for the presidential nod, I appreciate that and know while a kind compliment, it shows the regard for Trump. But most in here really really know politics. I however know hockey, sex and eating clean.
Its a truth, I don't have the IQ to debate anyone, or support a strong argument. I just express why I like Trump. Not so much as a person, but most of his ideas.

If he is not paying his taxes for his own screw ups, i.e. Going into bankruptcies of almost a billion dollars, and not paying any personal taxes since then, and then deriding the Obama Government for not spending enough on veterans does that not make him a hypocrite? Yes, it is legal to avoid paying taxes, but obviously he does not want to disclose his tax returns as many of his supporters barely make ends meet, but do pay their taxes.

You have been more eloquent than Trump and will make a better candidate than Trump, no doubt. But yes, do enjoy what you love doing as eating, sports and sex is on everyone's radar, as Trump says trust me.

 

[bver_hunter]

Honestly, I wouldn't put too much stock in that notion. Since Trump began his campaign, look at any of his rallies that went violent. Was it his supporters, or Anti-Trump?
In almost 100% of the cases and videos, violence is the last thing Trump supports cause or seek.

I'm sure regardless who wins, the day after should be relatively tame. Trump should make every effort to keep supporters level headed, and to respect any outcome.

The States has seen enough needless violence this past yr.

You are right except Trump has boasted that if he has a gun and shoots someone, his supporters would be behind him. His supporters have attacked some of the lone protesters that showed up at the Trump rallies.

 

[IM469]

Could you please elaborate some of Trump's "good ideas", as all we hear is how he will make "America Great Again"?

Based on his wealth of experience:

1) All e-mails will be stored on government servers - a summary of confidential information be will twitted by President Trump.
2) Putin will be fired
3) Hillory will be arrested. All congressional and FBI evidence supporting her innocence will be reclassified as irrelevant by the president. Jury selection will be vetted by Breitbart and a non-latino white judge will read the verdict sent out on Trump's tweet.
4) Military spending will triple when USA pulls out of NATO as Russia invades the rest of Europe in expanded effort to defeat ISIS. With a larger military with nothing to protect around the world, Trump puts them to work building the Mexican wall.
5) Mexico says they can't afford to pay for the wall particularly with the large TRUMP letters in gold leaf every 50 feet. Trump offers some of his own experience - ask your fathers to pay for it or go bankrupt.
6) Switzerland is nuked out of existence when their female diplomat complains about being groped by Trump. Trump blames Hillory for using sorcery from her jail cell. Trump supporters agree and protest to have her executed.
7) Staggering debt disappears as Trump refuses to let the government to release any financial data because they are under audit. Trump says 'trust me, I paid the debt with a credit card'. Trump supporters rejoice.
8) Racial harmony spreads through the black communities as kids get discounted education tuition at the Trump universities popping up across the US.
9) Trump supporters rejoice as Trump has his name included in the national anthem and New York officially named Trump City.
10) Trump names Scott Baio his new secretary of defence and points out that he has found employment for a man people thought had no talent.

 

[Butler1000]

You are right except Trump has boasted that if he has a gun and shoots someone, his supporters would be behind him. His supporters have attacked some of the lone protesters that showed up at the Trump rallies.

You mean the ones who were paid to incite violence at the rallies directly by the DNC?

 

[fuji]

That was on YouTube,...right,...???

Every time I see,..."intelligence agencies",...brings a smile to my face.

FAST

Nope. Not YouTube. I posted a link to the news release the United States Intelligence Services posted on the Director Of National Intelligence's official site.

 

[bver_hunter]

You mean the ones who were paid to incite violence at the rallies directly by the DNC?

Oh I see, the woman wearing the niquab was paid to incite violence. Trump said trust me it is true, so I believe it.

 

[nottyboi]

His invasion of Crimea was one of the biggest Crimes outside the Middle East.

You mean the invasion where around 2 people were killed, and a referendum was held which overwhelming supported Russian annexation? Only the most delusional people would say that a majority of Crimean's would prefer to be part of Ukraine. Its like trying to make the case that Quebec would prefer to join Haiti.

 

[bver_hunter]

You mean the invasion where around 2 people were killed, and a referendum was held which overwhelming supported Russian annexation? Only the most delusional people would say that a majority of Crimean's would prefer to be part of Ukraine. Its like trying to make the case that Quebec would prefer to join Haiti.

Actually it was 9 killed, 15 kidnapped and 25 held prisoners in Crimea. The Crimean Tartars opposed the annexation, and the referendum was deemed to be illegal. All agreements were broken between Ukraine and Russia as a result of that illegal occupation.

Putin's main reason for annexation of Crimea had one main focus and that was to to have access to the Black Sea. You seem to love dictators like Putin and goodness knows how you link Quebec with Haiti. Makes very little sense as the two are hardly neighbours. :doh:

Do not forget the war that is still raging in Ukraine and the jets shot down by Russian backed rebels. There are almost 10,000 deaths as a result of Russian intervention in the Ukraine. These deaths mean nothing to you.

 

[nottyboi]

Actually it was 9 killed, 15 kidnapped and 25 held prisoners in Crimea. The Crimean Tartars opposed the annexation, and the referendum was deemed to be illegal. All agreements were broken between Ukraine and Russia as a result of that illegal occupation.

Putin's main reason for annexation of Crimea had one main focus and that was to to have access to the Black Sea. You seem to love dictators like Putin and goodness knows how you link Quebec with Haiti. Makes very little sense as the two are hardly neighbours. :doh:

Do not forget the war that is still raging in Ukraine and the jets shot down by Russian backed rebels. There are almost 10,000 deaths as a result of Russian intervention in the Ukraine. These deaths mean nothing to you.

The referendum was deemed to be illegal by nations not interested in the will of the Crimean's. The Tartars amount to less then 1/8 of the population. Sure Putin had strategic interest in Crimea. They have a huge Naval Base, and if you think he is gonna give that up think again. Ask the USA why it refused to give up Guantanamo base for DECADES, even though the Cuban govt requested them to leave. Of course their deaths mean nothing to me, I don't know them and the circumstances of their deaths are not reliably known. 150,000 people die everyday.

I have no love of dictators, but when the US conducts dozens of illegal wars killing hundreds of thousands of people I find their criticism of Russia hugely hypocritical.

The Ukrainian conflict was started by the US, Putin was just reacting.

 

[Smallcock]

Her responsibility for the mess in the middle east was one very good area to make hay. Receiving money from the Saudis while claiming to champion womans rights would be another....

The guy just does not know how to press the attack...watching his debates it is clear as day he cannot be bothered to prep.

He made both of the points that you say he didn't, and he did it effectively. Did you miss the 3rd debate?

 

[nottyboi]

He made both of the points that you say he didn't do, and he did it effectively. Did you miss the 3rd debate?

He made them but not remotely effectively.

 

[Smallcock]

Now Trump supporters are predicting a civil war if Trump loses. Shocking!! His supporters seem to buy that rhetoric that the American system is "rigged". He has managed to alienate even members of his own party. What a nutcase.

Trump supporters are non-violent. Trump supporters are America. There will be no civil war.

Stop listening to loonies.

 

[bver_hunter]

Trump supporters are non-violent. Trump supporters are America. There will be no civil war.

Stop listening to loonies.

Precisely, his supporters are loonies.

 

[fuji]

The referendum was deemed to be illegal by nations not interested in the will of the Crimean's. The Tartars amount to less then 1/8 of the population. Sure Putin had strategic interest in Crimea. They have a huge Naval Base, and if you think he is gonna give that up think again. Ask the USA why it refused to give up Guantanamo base for DECADES, even though the Cuban govt requested them to leave. Of course their deaths mean nothing to me, I don't know them and the circumstances of their deaths are not reliably known. 150,000 people die everyday.

I have no love of dictators, but when the US conducts dozens of illegal wars killing hundreds of thousands of people I find their criticism of Russia hugely hypocritical.

The Ukrainian conflict was started by the US, Putin was just reacting.

Rah rah Russia

 

[fuji]

Trump supporters are non-violent. Trump supporters are America. There will be no civil war.

Stop listening to loonies.

Trump supporters are a minority in America. About a third of voters. There's another ten percent or so who prefer Trump to Clinton but dislike Trump. Then there's a majority who don't like Trump and won't vote for him.

 

[bver_hunter]

The referendum was deemed to be illegal by nations not interested in the will of the Crimean's. The Tartars amount to less then 1/8 of the population. Sure Putin had strategic interest in Crimea. They have a huge Naval Base, and if you think he is gonna give that up think again. Ask the USA why it refused to give up Guantanamo base for DECADES, even though the Cuban govt requested them to leave. Of course their deaths mean nothing to me, I don't know them and the circumstances of their deaths are not reliably known. 150,000 people die everyday.

I have no love of dictators, but when the US conducts dozens of illegal wars killing hundreds of thousands of people I find their criticism of Russia hugely hypocritical.

The Ukrainian conflict was started by the US, Putin was just reacting.

So you are implying that the USA had troops in The Ukraine to start the conflict? Interesting.
If there are 150,000 deaths daily does the war conducted by the Russians in the Ukraine make thoses deaths insignificant?
I agree that the USA should give up the Guantanamo Bay as it belongs to Cuba.
But the occupation of Ukraine was absolutely no excuse.
The Crimean Tatars were the majority in Crimea until the forcible deportation of them to Uzbekistan and Turkey by the Soviet Union in 1944. The Soviets themselves realised that it was inhumane to deport them and allowed a few of them to return in 1967. This explains why they are only one eight of the population. The majority of the so called Crimeans are mainly Russians (65%) and Ukrainians (16%) who moved into Crimea, while the other ethnic groups like the Bulgarians, Germans and Jews were displaced from Crimea. That is why the referendum was a hoax, as it was an agreement between the Ukrainians and the Soviet Union after the break up of the Soviet Union to protect the rights of all the Crimeans.

 

[nottyboi]

So you are implying that the USA had troops in The Ukraine to start the conflict? Interesting.
If there are 150,000 deaths daily does the war conducted by the Russians in the Ukraine make thoses deaths insignificant?
I agree that the USA should give up the Guantanamo Bay as it belongs to Cuba.
But the occupation of Ukraine was absolutely no excuse.
The Crimean Tatars were the majority in Crimea until the forcible deportation of them to Uzbekistan and Turkey by the Soviet Union in 1944. The Soviets themselves realised that it was inhumane to deport them and allowed a few of them to return in 1967. This explains why they are only one eight of the population. The majority of the so called Crimeans are mainly Russians (65%) and Ukrainians (16%) who moved into Crimea, while the other ethnic groups like the Bulgarians, Germans and Jews were displaced from Crimea. That is why the referendum was a hoax, as it was an agreement between the Ukrainians and the Soviet Union after the break up of the Soviet Union to protect the rights of all the Crimeans.

Not troops, but operatives. Yes. Contractors what ever you want to call it. The referendum was not a hoax, if it was the US would have called for a proper monitored referendum. Even with 65% Russians there is no chance it would fail. Yes the deportations in the past are inhumane, but they are the past. If you want to make a point of going that far back, Crimea was not part of Ukraine at the time so FULL STOP END OF STORY.

 

[shack]

Yes the deportations in the past are inhumane, but they are the past. FULL STOP END OF STORY.

Exactly like the Arabs who voluntarily left after the creation of Israel. Even if you want to argue they were forced out, your post negates that point.

The past is the past and it's been so long it is END OF STORY. No right of return or land claims for the Arabs.

 

[bver_hunter]

Not troops, but operatives. Yes. Contractors what ever you want to call it. The referendum was not a hoax, if it was the US would have called for a proper monitored referendum. Even with 65% Russians there is no chance it would fail. Yes the deportations in the past are inhumane, but they are the past. If you want to make a point of going that far back, Crimea was not part of Ukraine at the time so FULL STOP END OF STORY.

Does not make the actions of Russia right and they are a dictatorship, with zero democracy. Full Stop.

 

[basketcase]

The referendum was deemed to be illegal by nations not interested in the will of the Crimean's. The Tartars amount to less then 1/8 of the population. .....

I love this statement. You claim countries that don't think the will of the Crimeans is important think the referendum was fine.

If Crimea has a referendum before the Russian invasion, declared independence from Ukraine, and then chose to join Russia I would have no issue with it. What happened though was like Germany holding a referendum in Poland to justify their invasion.


BTW. history lesson. Tatars make up such a small percentage because the Soviets ethnically cleansed most of them and colonized the area with ethnic Russians. Based on your posting history I would have thought you were against that.

Of course their deaths mean nothing to me, I don't know them and the circumstances of their deaths are not reliably known. 150,000 people die everyday.

I'll remember this quote the next time you complain about people dying in countries other than Russia.