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FAST said:
...,...does NOT even come close to agreeing with basketcase's assumption,......
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How so? This is what I posted.

To be specific, the energy released by the collapse was not that much less than the first atomic bombs. That much material suspended that high above the ground had enormous gravitational energy.
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What data in those papers disagrees with that?
 
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italianguy74 said:
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To me it sure looks like burning paper and debris being forced out of the building by air pressure.

If this was thermite:
1) How come nobody noticed it installed near the windows?
2) How would thermite on that one beam (out of hundreds of weight bearing exterior beams) cause a collapse?
 
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SuperCharge said:
And yet with all that heat people were still able to make their way out of the building up until the building collapsed? How is that possible?
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You mean other than heat rising?

The people who made it out were (I believe without exception) were below the impact when it occurred.
 
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IM469 said:
They could have disguised the glass as windows .... :confused:

I am pointing out that you can't know what it was without testing ... you didn't like the liquid gold idea ?? They could have lined the crates holding 60 tons of explosives with gold to confuse the guards would had to do the inspections when you entered the building.

What good is a conspiracy theory if you have to make it plausible ?
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Maybe the planes were made of solid gold that was stolen from the site?
 
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basketcase said:
To me it sure looks like burning paper and debris being forced out of the building by air pressure.

If this was thermite:
1) How come nobody noticed it installed near the windows?
2) How would thermite on that one beam (out of hundreds of weight bearing exterior beams) cause a collapse?
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I doubt that is paper its definitely a molten metal.
I couldn't tell you the source its coming from either but its definitely spilling out and flowing like a thermite reaction would.
 
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Molten aluminum


Molten glass is gooey it would stretch like a rope


Thermite reaction is molten iron and crackles with sparks
 
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Every year I remember how bush and company orchestrated the attack!!
 
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Here's the peer-reviewed paper on the thermite found at ground zero.

http://aneta.org/NielsHarrit_org/index.htm

Abstract - We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
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Niels Holger Harrit, PhD
Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Ph.D. Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, 1975, Thesis: mechanistic photochemistry
Post Doctorate, Columbia University, New York, 1977
Master of Science, Chemistry, Max-Planck-Institute for Strahlenchemi, Mulheim an der Ruhr, Germany

 
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SuperCharge said:
We aren't the only ones questioning the events of that fateful day. I've had numerous conversations with all people from all walks of life, Canadians and Americans alike and the consensus is almost half the people I have talked to about this believe it was a government job. I think even the 911 victims have questioned what really happened.

Didn't the owner of building 7, Silverstein, (who I believe is connected with the Rockefellers) buy the building the summer of 2001, and had his insurance policy up'd and changed that if the building was by chance a victim of terrorism, the building would be covered for that as well - just 2 months before the building came down!!. Silverstein was given 7 billion dollars from insurance. You would have to be remedial to not connect those dots, You don't have to be a rocket scientist to start thinking maybe, just maybe there is something fishy going on here.

The truth always comes out. If there was a plot to bring down those towers by anyone other than actual terrorists, one day when nobody's has anything to lose, it will come out.
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I don't know who you are associating with but I'd say maybe 1 in 20 of my friends/family/colleagues believe it was an inside job.
 
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italianguy74 said:
Molten aluminum
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I provided two independent references showing the colour of molten aluminum. The colour is dependent on temperature, which is true for just about all hot materials.

Assuming you need proof completely separate from all 911 theory sites, do a basic Google search on "aluminum smelter" and have a look at the pictures. You will see the colour matches your 911 picture perfectly.

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Molten glass is gooey it would stretch like a rope
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He was commenting on the colour. That said, as molten glass gets hotter it's viscosity decreases so it will flow better.

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Thermite reaction is molten iron and crackles with sparks
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Since we're not seeing that appearance in your originally posted 911 picture I can only assume this disproves your thermite theory?
 
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Insidious Von said:
Sunday will be the 15th Anniversary of that horrific event.

There are still unanswered questions:

- Prior to the attack, what did Condoleeza Rice know and did she inform anyone?
- after the attack, what happened at Tora Bora? The US Marines would not have just let Osama bin Laden get away, that's not how they operate.

Many more lives would have been lost if not for the swift response of the NYFD and the NYPD...and one anonymous hero:

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episodes/the-lost-hero-of-9-11
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The USMC weren't operating at Tora Bora. It was led by the CIA SAD, Delta, 5th SFG & an assortment of a few NATO top-tier SOF, and a steady rotation of approx. 1000 Northern Alliance fighters.
Oh, and the consensus opinion of those knowledgeable with the matter now is that OBL wasn't at Tora Bora in 2001, having been whisked away by the ISI in 1998 sometime around Operation Infinite Reach (that is according to former ISI Director-General Hamid Gul)
 
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italianguy74 said:
Molten glass is gooey it would stretch like a rope
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It's like honey and depends on the temperature. It is kept at the temperature that meets the use - you selected a photo for glass blowing. Below is hotter for casting.


I just said you can't judge a molten material by looking at it - not that it was necessarily glass. Common sense suggests that it wasn't the steel support beams (the floors hadn't collapsed) but this seems the most logical explanation to me:
 
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IM469 said:
They could have disguised the glass as windows .... :confused:

I am pointing out that you can't know what it was without testing ... you didn't like the liquid gold idea ?? They could have lined the crates holding 60 tons of explosives with gold to confuse the guards would had to do the inspections when you entered the building.

What good is a conspiracy theory if you have to make it plausible ?
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I was kidding in my earlier post.

LOL, I'm thinking I need to tip the FBI about you. Your theories are more plausible then most of the others here.
 
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