Three Dallas police officers deceased along with seven wounded tonight during protest

[frankcastle]

Why does it matter that she's an MVP on a championship team? What you call raising awareness can easily be interpreted as taking sides since the shirts contain "Black Lives Matter" which is a phrase that is being hijacked by or associated with some radicals.



I think Lebron and teammates made a statement by wearing hoodies after the Trayvon Martin incident.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lebron and Kobe both donate to charity and take part in fundraisers. What should they be doing according to you?




What was the example that Ali tried to make? What do you want Jay Z et al to do?

I point out that she is an mvp because i wanted to draw a parallel to male basketball players.

Quietly donating is not the same as putting your celebrity to the cause.

Wearing goodies is great but how long ago was that?

As for the example of Ali. ....... there are more important things than your career and endorsement. In fact a guy like LeBron could be outspoken about the plight of blacks and i am sure he would still make money.

A shirt with blm and dallas police is not taking a side. If they excluded one then yes i would agree.

Ask and he shall recieved...... rock did a thing on black deaths with some celebrities....... LeBron and a bunch of nba players opened the espy with stuff on the violence.

Good start. A tweet, a gesture etc is fleeting i think with their success and fame is the duty to do as much as they can for the black community.

 

[fuji]

people don't come forward to be witnesses for a reason, genius. because you end up in a grave. until the state starts putting forth some worthwhile witness protection programs, no one is going to cooperate. the government can sit on its hands and hem and haw about why the community doesn't trust cops or it can actually research the issue and invest funds in fixing it. but everyone wants easy, cheap answers. "just tell the blacks to stop killing each other and stay in school" is the most elementary yet often repeated response. and one wonders why it hasn't worked.

Again, BLM promoting confrontation rather than cooperation with the police totally exacerbates this.

 

[nottyboi]

Acting courageous and professional doesn't remove great danger when dealing with sword wielding lunatic. In the video you posted, the general public, and all officers involved, were put in great danger for no good reason.

It's remarkable that you believe otherwise. But given this is your train of thought, it makes sense why you believe police should tippy toe around an ex military man hellbent on killing more of them using high powered weaponry.

Its remarkable you so easily justify killing another man. People with training can handle the situation. It amazes me that you would second guess skill and courage when confronted with it and would prefer they just kill a human being rather then try and achieve a better solution. If so many cops did not rush to push the easy trigger we would be in a much better place even if a few of them were killed.

 

[nottyboi]

uh no they don't promote "confrontation". if anything they want less confrontation with police because it leads to black people getting shot by cops. you don't even know what you're criticizing.

Don't argue with the Grand Wizard... lol.

 

[fuji]

uh no they don't promote "confrontation". if anything they want less confrontation with police because it leads to black people getting shot by cops. you don't even know what you're criticizing.

Really. They didn't stop the PRIDE parade to protest police presence at the event?

 

[MissCroft]

This is just really weird...LOL.
Does he even know he's at a funeral :biggrin1:

Wow, what a fool. The Obamas don't look too happy about it.

 

[onthebottom]

uh no they don't promote "confrontation". if anything they want less confrontation with police because it leads to black people getting shot by cops. you don't even know what you're criticizing.

Actually if you follow the links in this thread: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...s-in-Police-Use-of-Force-but-Not-in-Shootings

You'll see two things, a Harvard economics professor (African American if that matters) demonstrating through a study that police are no more likely to shoot a black person than a white person.

You'll also see the effect on the black population on the Chicago police backing off.... Murders are spiking and a vast majority of those victims are black.

 

[canada-man]

A Black Lives Matter protest at the intersection of West Georgia and Granville was disrupted briefly Wednesday afternoon when an elderly man started an altercation with a demonstrator who was interrupting bus traffic.

The peaceful protest drew a large crowd of onlookers — some visibly and audibly frustrated by interrupted bus service — when an elderly man got out of one of two stopped buses and violently shoved a young man holding a sign.

"Get the f--k out of here! We want to go home!" the man yelled, inches from the protester's face.

Onlookers stepped in immediately to defuse the situation, pleading for calm from the obscenity-screaming man. The protester appeared shaken but unharmed by the attack and resumed protesting on the street.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...tacked-vancouver-black-lives-matter-1.3677929

 

[nottyboi]

Really. They didn't stop the PRIDE parade to protest police presence at the event?

That is not a confrontation. That is non violent protest. They did not object to police presence, but police promotion. The fact that the TPA has been mowing down people at an alarming rate including the recent attempted murder conviction of Forcillio makes it pretty disgusting that they claim to be tolerant and respectful of the community while killing its members in highly questionable circumstances.This is also a police force where members not so long ago used to routinely beat up homosexuals.

 

[nobody123]

Today, I simply ask of you this: recognize that just because you do not feel the pain, the anguish of another, does not mean it does not exist. To ignore their struggles — our struggles — does not make them disappear, it simply leaves you blind, and the American family very vulnerable.

Bonus points to whoever can tell us which particular BLM radical anarchist said the above quote yesterday.

 

[fuji]

That is not a confrontation. That is non violent protest. They did not object to police presence, but police promotion.

It's clearly confrontation. They extorted a promise from PRIDE to prevent future inclusion of the police. It sends the message to blacks that the police should not be included in the community. It encourages blacks to see the police as an enemy.

That confrontational, can anti police attitude is why black on black crimes go unsolved: nobody cooperates with the police who are as much as possible excluded from the crime plagued black community.

 

[Celticman]

Bonus points to whoever can tell us which particular BLM radical anarchist said the above quote yesterday.

Guessing, President Obama?

 

[frankcastle]

It's clearly confrontation. They extorted a promise from PRIDE to prevent future inclusion of the police. It sends the message to blacks that the police should not be included in the community. It encourages blacks to see the police as an enemy.

That confrontational, can anti police attitude is why black on black crimes go unsolved: nobody cooperates with the police who are as much as possible excluded from the crime plagued black community.

Be specific. How would you suggest BLM accomplish their goals?

 

[frankcastle]

Bonus points to whoever can tell us which particular BLM radical anarchist said the above quote yesterday.

Great quote. I honestly believe that a lot of people don't experience/see racism so they assume it is not a problem. Having not experienced it they can't fathom the effects.

 

[anon1]

Great quote. I honestly believe that a lot of people don't experience/see racism so they assume it is not a problem. Having not experienced it they can't fathom the effects.

Yet they declare themselves experts in it.

 

[AK-47]

exactly. he misses a lot actually

Dawn, have a look at some of fuji's posts in this thread and tell me if you think he's a racist or not:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?386465-Shooting-at-Eaton-Centre

Some of fuji's proposals:

- spot checks for black kids who wear baggy hiphop pants
- holding the entire black population responsible for the actions of a few black gangbangers in Toronto

 

[slowandeasy]

Frankie, I don't have a good solution, but I do know that it starts with all of us not allowing the Jackasses on both sides to derail the progress that has been
made over the past 50 + years. I know that the moderates on both sides need to step up and start having their voices heard.


Sometimes I react to the nonsense that is posted before clearly stating my position on the subject.
In the Sterling and the Castile shootings, from what I can see, I believe that the officers should be charged. Once charged
they will have their day in court, and the court will determine their guilt or innocence.


Police have to be allowed to do their jobs, and the public has to accept that job sometimes requires them to do the dirty work that no one
else wants to do.

It start with people like this amazing young man urging people to do things the right way.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alton-sterling-son-cameron-father-police-shooting-death-dallas-ambush/

Frankie, after seeing some of what this young man had to say, I think we should all feel ashamed of ourselves.

 

[slowandeasy]

Be specific. How would you suggest BLM accomplish their goals?

Many (including myself) believe that they are misleading people by their name.. "black lives matter".

It depends on what those goals are. So far their actions have shown that their goals are to crucify every white police officer
whenever there is an encounter with a black person.

If BLM wants to be taken seriously in the fight against racism, the first thing they need to do is to stop being racist!!!

 

[frankcastle]

Many (including myself) believe that they are misleading people by their name.. "black lives matter".

It depends on what those goals are. So far their actions have shown that their goals are to crucify every white police officer
whenever there is an encounter with a black person.

If BLM wants to be taken seriously in the fight against racism, the first thing they need to do is to stop being racist!!!

I don't agree with some of the actions of BLM.

I think your best point was that the moderates on both sides need to step up.

You and I are probably closer than we realize.

My beef is more with Fuji as he is quick to blame blacks as a whole and pretty much dismisses the whole issue by stating that "more blacks are involved in crime."

I'm sure no one would say let Fort McMurray sort out their own shit so why would we do that to communities that are in peril?

I am glad you stated you don't have a good answer. Neither do I. It's a complex problem that I think some people over simplify. They believe it's just a matter of working hard. No doubt effort is part of the equation.

I believe the shock factor of the BLM will awaken something better. Sometimes the first idea is not the best idea.

But you know what? If nothing else BLM has caused us all to talk about the topic.

 

[danmand]