Peyton Manning=GOAT
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Yes, he did but his playoff record prior to that was pretty bad.Umm, he won a Super Bowl with the Indianapolis Colts in 2007 as well.
BTW: The best QB never to win a SB is still Dan Marino. Cam Newton at 24 still has many years left to get his SB.
Are you saying you think Peyton Manning is better than Joe Montana or Tom Brady??Looks like the only criteria against Peyton just took a big hit.
GOAT QB in football is neither one of these above players.
I'm saying the argument for Peyton is stronger now than it was a day ago.Are you saying you think Peyton Manning is better than Joe Montana or Tom Brady??
GOAT QB in football is neither one of these above players.
I don't think or would say Manning is the GOAT, but he certainly got too much blame for postseason play. He is one of the greatest QB's in history, maybe in the top 5 or 10.
I am so glad they didn't give Manning the MVP, for this super bowl, that would have been a crime!
I am so glad they didn't give Manning the MVP, for this super bowl, that would have been a crime!
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550485-NFL-Playoffs/page4I'm saying the argument for Peyton is stronger now than it was a day ago.
Not in the least. There are compelling arguments to be made for all 3.
I am saying that it is impossible to have an unequivocal answer. To repeat, there are too many parameters. They were/are all amazing but there are too many factors and eras and teammates and opponents and coaches to declare a definitive winner. As somebody else said, you can't compare players from different eras. As I said QB's do not compete head to head like in individual sports where the task is clearly easier yet still open to interpretation.
We should accept and appreciate what we've been able to see and it is fun to debate and speculate, but unless some QB wins 15 SBs with 2,000 TD's and a consistent dramatic turnover of teammates and coaches (maybe a slight exaggeration LOL), it comes down to a subjective opinion to which we are all entitled to believe but not entitled to force others to believe
Two weeks ago in the above thread you were saying QB from different eras can not be compared to one another and now all of a sudden you post "Peyton Manning=GOAT"
As I said in that thread I believe you are a Manning super fan as to your assertion.
But please do tell us if QB from different eras can be compared to one another and do tell us what your basis for "Peyton Manning=GOAT" is otherwise your thread title is misleading and you are flip flopping.
You simply can't have one set of guidelines and change those guidelines as certain individuals win Super Bowls to benefit your favourite players.
Thanks for quoting me because I still believe that.https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550485-NFL-Playoffs/page4
Not in the least. There are compelling arguments to be made for all 3.
I am saying that it is impossible to have an unequivocal answer. To repeat, there are too many parameters. They were/are all amazing but there are too many factors and eras and teammates and opponents and coaches to declare a definitive winner. As somebody else said, you can't compare players from different eras. As I said QB's do not compete head to head like in individual sports where the task is clearly easier yet still open to interpretation.
We should accept and appreciate what we've been able to see and it is fun to debate and speculate, but unless some QB wins 15 SBs with 2,000 TD's and a consistent dramatic turnover of teammates and coaches (maybe a slight exaggeration LOL), it comes down to a subjective opinion to which we are all entitled to believe but not entitled to force others to believe
Two weeks ago in the above thread you were saying QB from different eras can not be compared to one another and now all of a sudden you post "Peyton Manning=GOAT"
As I said in that thread I believe you are a Manning super fan as to your assertion.
But please do tell us if QB from different eras can be compared to one another and do tell us what your basis for "Peyton Manning=GOAT" is otherwise your thread title is misleading and you are flip flopping.
You simply can't have one set of guidelines and change those guidelines as certain individuals win Super Bowls to benefit your favourite players.
Actually, the main reason I started this thread was to be provocative and in particular with you in mind. I suspected you couldn't resist taking the bait and evidently I was right.
No, I wouldn't automatically say that PM is GOAT, but I do believe the fact that the biggest knock against him was his Super Bowl record, not even you could deny that that argument has been diminished with today's win.
Cam Newton will be 27 in May.Cam Newton at 24 still has many years left to get his SB.
Peyton Manning had virtually nothing to do with that Super Bowl. It was all the defense. Didn't throw for a single TD, picked once, threw for 141 yards, rushed for 0, 56.6 rating. He just happened to be the QB. We would be calling Brock Osweiler a Super Bowl champion if he started with that D behind him. His legacy was secure before this game, but last night neither added or took away from his legacy. He's still one of the all time greats, but he doesn't jump ahead of anyone because of his 2nd Super Bowl because we all know he wasn't a factor in the outcome.
“You make the playoffs 11 times, and you’re out in the first round seven out of 11 times."
"Look, everyone knows Manning has just one Super Bowl title and has a 9-11 playoff record. And he now has eight one-and-dones."
"The most commonly cited criticism of Peyton Manning's professional career is that despite great success and gaudy statistics during the regular season, he has not enjoyed similar levels of success in the post-season. Although Manning has won two Super Bowls (Super Bowl XLI, in which he was named MVP, and Super Bowl 50) and played in two others, his career post-season record as a starter is a more modest 13-13. By comparison his regular season record through the 2015 season was 186-79."
Maybe this 2nd SB win will silent Manning's critics (or maybe not)?
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos...takes-classless-shot-at-peyton-manning/22481/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning
"Look, everyone knows Manning has just one Super Bowl title and has a 9-11 playoff record. And he now has eight one-and-dones."
"The most commonly cited criticism of Peyton Manning's professional career is that despite great success and gaudy statistics during the regular season, he has not enjoyed similar levels of success in the post-season. Although Manning has won two Super Bowls (Super Bowl XLI, in which he was named MVP, and Super Bowl 50) and played in two others, his career post-season record as a starter is a more modest 13-13. By comparison his regular season record through the 2015 season was 186-79."
Maybe this 2nd SB win will silent Manning's critics (or maybe not)?
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos...takes-classless-shot-at-peyton-manning/22481/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning
Peyton is a great QB. First ballot HOF for sure. But the GOAT? Nope. His game last night was awful. The Denver Defense won that game in spite of Peyton's shit performance.
As for quarterbacks who are the GOAT, there's no way Peyton is better than a whole handful, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and Brett Favre just to name 3.
As for quarterbacks who are the GOAT, there's no way Peyton is better than a whole handful, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and Brett Favre just to name 3.
Not according to our resident expert.Peyton Manning had virtually nothing to do with that Super Bowl.
The success of any football team is solely on the shoulders of the QB
You live such an exciting life starting a thread with me in mind.Thanks for quoting me because I still believe that.
Actually, the main reason I started this thread was to be provocative and in particular with you in mind. I suspected you couldn't resist taking the bait and evidently I was right.
No, I wouldn't automatically say that PM is GOAT, but I do believe the fact that the biggest knock against him was his Super Bowl record, not even you could deny that that argument has been diminished with today's win.
Thanks for confirming my assessment of you that you are just a TROLL trolling and being provocative with no knowledge of football, but just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Good luck with that.
Actually, I had been interested in an honest discourse of an interesting topic. Unfortunately, you are so intransigent and unwilling to even entertain the thought of PM being in the equation, that you are the one who has no knowledge.You live such an exciting life starting a thread with me in mind.
Thanks for confirming my assessment of you that you are just a TROLL trolling and being provocative with no knowledge of football, but just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Good luck with that.
I gave up on any real discussion with you long ago, so I decided egging you on was more fun.
5 league MVP's for Manning, yet he doesn't rate a sniff. You really are ignorant and biased.
From a man who knows so much, it is nice to see you give PM credit for yesterday's win.
The success of any football team is solely on the shoulders of the QB,
You can argue that Montana and Brady are better than Peyton. Favre??? PleasePeyton is a great QB. First ballot HOF for sure. But the GOAT? Nope. His game last night was awful. The Denver Defense won that game in spite of Peyton's shit performance.
As for quarterbacks who are the GOAT, there's no way Peyton is better than a whole handful, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and Brett Favre just to name 3.
Bingo!Peyton is a great QB. First ballot HOF for sure. But the GOAT? Nope. His game last night was awful. The Denver Defense won that game in spite of Peyton's shit performance.
As for quarterbacks who are the GOAT, there's no way Peyton is better than a whole handful, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and Brett Favre just to name 3.
His last 6 quarters were atrocious and embarrassing really, even his dad carved him. No such thing as a GOAT really, but Brady is the best IMO, and Russel Wilson will be the face of the league for the next decade, they should have beaten Carolina.
I think Manning will land in LA.
I think Manning will land in LA.
GOAT is a matter of opinion as everyone may not have the same criteria to measure these things. Personally, I have never been a fan of measuring QBs by superbowl rings. Take Russell Wilson for example - he was a FAR superior QB this year than he was the last 2 years. He reached the Superbowl the last 2 years (winning one). This year he did not even make it to the NFC Championship game despite being a FAR better QB this year. I would have graded Russell Wilson as a C INSIDE the pocket prior to this season. Now he is at least a B+ if not higher. (To be clear those grades are for INSIDE the pocket - excluding his sandlot ability)
In general I've just never been a fan of using championships to measure players in team sports. That is just me. Most people will disagree with me and that is fine.
In general I've just never been a fan of using championships to measure players in team sports. That is just me. Most people will disagree with me and that is fine.
