Blue Jays: 2015 Post-Season

busterhut

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I think Stroman is the best choice as starter on Wed, (with Strolman as my second choice LOL). Gibby has had the guts to make some tough decisions, right or wrong. Right now he has the best available choice pitching in the decisive game with a full bullpen available. He has a dominant right handed lineup hitting against a left handed starter who did get scored on in game two. Just because runs are unearned doesn't mean that he didn't give up hits to drive them in. For example, if there are two outs and nobody on and an error is made, any runs that inning would be unearned even if a team strung together 10 hits in a row. Hamels was not dominant in game two. I'm pretty comfortable with the matchup. Gibby has got this team into as many favourable situations as I think are possible in this scenario, despite some obviously easy choices that he could make differently.
 

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So….I guess Texas didn't have momentum after the first two games? I see…..
Texas opportunized well on sloppy and nervous Jays play in Game #1 and the first innings of Game #2 to jump out to a lead. While any MLB team is capable of beating any other on any given day, the Jays are simply a better team on paper than Texas - better 1 through 9 hitting, better slugging, better 1 through 5 starting pitching. Series went back to Texas. Texas had to use its worse than mediocre 3 and 4 starters and Jays got back their composure and confidence with the Tulo HR.

I didn't think Texas had any true momentum in Game 3. They were just fucking lucky to be up 2-0 against a better team and retribution was likely to come sooner rather than later. Of course, bad pitching by Marc-0 or sloppy defence could have handed Texas the sweep. Short of that, it was always probable that Jays would take those 2 games against poor Texas pitching.
 

shack

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So….I guess Texas didn't have momentum after the first two games? I see…..
It may be called burnout from having to play with high intensity with no let up.

Lack of momentum shows up early in a series but burnout will show up later.
 

shack

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2 words: bull shit!

Momentum means EVERYTHING in the playoffs!

Thankfully, they got their MOJO back, and now they have momentum back in their favour.
If there is such a maxim, I'd imagine many people in MLB have referenced it over the years.

Feel free to show us some quotes of this age old adage that says momentum is EVERYTHING. It shouldn't be hard to find like an actual adage of "good pitching beats good hitting". They should be on par.

If you find anything remotely like that I'd guess the closest you could get is "momentum is nice, but it is not everything."

If you can't, then maybe you are the one who spews bullshit (one word). Good luck in your quest.
 

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Gibby gave a long interview on using Price post game. He said that Dickey was gonna go 6 tops and that Choo hits the shit out Dickey. He was afraid that Choo would get a hit and then the next guy (Fielder?) would go deep for a 3-run bomb and Texas would get back in the game.

Loup was off for personal reasons (!!!!??? - why the fuck in an elimination game in the playoffs??!!) but will be back on Wednesday. With no Cecil or Loup, Jays had no lefties in the Pen and had to use Price.

All in all, we had 3 excellent pitchers to cover Game #5 and Game #1 ALCS. We only need two. So might as well use Price in Game #4. It worked. If we had lost - for ANY reason!!! - THAT would be the disaster. Things turned out pretty good.
Price also got the win- which takes that monkey off his back. Putting him in before dickey had enough innings to get the win - I think it help price mentally. He hasn't pitched like he can. So hopefully this helps and he can focus just on pitching.

Not saying only reason gibbons did it- but I think also explains why he let him pitch as long as he did.
 

shack

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If there is such a maxim, I'd imagine many people in MLB have referenced it over the years.

Feel free to show us some quotes of this age old adage that says momentum is EVERYTHING. It shouldn't be hard to find like an actual adage of "good pitching beats good hitting". They should be on par.

If you find anything remotely like that I'd guess the closest you could get is "momentum is nice, but it is not everything."

If you can't, then maybe you are the one who spews bullshit (one word). Good luck in your quest.
I found pages and pages of references.

http://mybookie.ag/sports-betting/mlb/good-pitching-beats-good-hitting/

http://www.lootmeister.com/mlb/pitching-vs-hitting.php

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2010/11/02/resolved-good-pitching-beats-good-hitting/

http://www.sportyshades.com/good-pitching-beats-good-hitting-still/

To be fair, I found lots of "momentum is everything" references, but they mainly seem to deal with physics and one dealt with pokemon. :rofl:

Again to be fair there actually was a sporting reference. It was about rugby.
 

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In a weird kind of way similar to destiny,Gibby was lucky that neither Cecil nor Loup was available yesterday. He needed David Price to come in to almost SAVING a season for the team on a short,short rest to boost! I don't care what ppl been saying about Price general struggle in the playoffs. He did what his team asked by eating a few more innings and kept those Rangers left handed bats in checked for possible big rally. Now,why is Gibbly lucky on his choices of pitchers from yesterday? He doesn't have to answer the critics of why Stroman starts over Price on a regular rest. Who knows in a perfect game situation, Gibby would start Price for game 5. Price pitches well at the RG in his career. Only Gibby knows what's going on in his head.
 

Nad Smith

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Part of the irony of this is Mr. Gibbons did not have to do much thinking during the season. Now he makes a controversial decision or two and it does make for interesting conversation. Let us see how things work out tomorrow and...the rest of the playoffs.
 

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There will always be second guessing in sports. Remember when Jim Leyland was "saving" Max Schezer for game 7 and the Tigers lost in 6?

Then there was the time the Yankees started Andy Petitte, instead of A.J. Burnet,t against Cliff Lee. Of course, Cliff Lee, best playoff pitcher ever, beat Pettite. Thus, the Yanks wasted Petitte. Yes, A.J. started the next game and lost as well.
 

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Even if Price was available to pitch tomorrow I'm not sure I trust him to pitch big games anymore. I hope its just a case of Texas having his number, and that Price will find his form against our next playoff opponent(s), but I'm not so sure
In a do or die game EVERYONE will be on deck! Rests or not they will have plenty of time to do that during the winter. Just for fun what do you guys think Gibby would do if there's 2 men at first and second with one out top the eight. And, Choo or Fieder on deck? Oh, Gibby has already used up Loup,lol!
Osuna or Price?? Don't forget that Sanchez can't pitch with men on base most of the times during the season. Season is on the line and that would be fun if this type of scenarios became true for Gibby to make a difficult calls.
Let's blow the Rangers out in the first few innings like yesterday so everyone from here can breath easy. LOL.
 

MrMessi

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Stroman has been and is looking great since he came back, if the jays win tommorow I think he's going to be a star!!
 

busterhut

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Now I understand. Momentum is everything even if you're the better team such as when the Jays lost their momentum at the end of the year, but momentum isn't everything when you're the better team such as in the Texas series. That makes lots of sense.
 

shack

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Now I understand. Momentum is everything even if you're the better team such as when the Jays lost their momentum at the end of the year, but momentum isn't everything when you're the better team such as in the Texas series. That makes lots of sense.
It is probably a similar concept to old new ballparks and new old ballparks and if a team won before or after moving.
 

silk123

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There must be more than a personal family matter for Loup, I hope it is not another Sebathia issue. I don't know what family issue the Jays organization would allow a player to take off for an elimination game. Usually the only time an organization will allow a player to miss a game is if the partner is having a baby.

Loup has become an important pitcher in the bullpen now that Cecil is out, if Loud was available I am sure he would have pitched to Choo in the 5th.
 

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Loup is the only leftie in the bullpen, isnt that part of the reason they brought in Price yesterday. Loup must have some family issue????? 2-0 cardinals
 
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