Blue Jays: 2015 edition

[Insidious Von]

Create camaraderie, isn't that what Kevin-Cola are doing.

The mystery of their dugout dance has been revealed, Kevin Pillar is Jewish. The dance is a traditional act of friendship between two cultures that share a common history in America.

I could list many examples of this, but I'll let Billy Joel do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhjNm20XbXw

 

[Insidious Von]

Another example, Pillar goes for the tackle.

 

[gcostanza]

The 3 most important home runs in Toronto Blue Jays (playoff) history are
1. Roberto Alomar
2. Joe Carter
3. Ed Sprague

Agree or disagree?

 

[glamphotographer]

The 3 most important home runs in Toronto Blue Jays (playoff) history are
1. Roberto Alomar
2. Joe Carter
3. Ed Sprague

Agree or disagree?

I agree with those 3, but in this order.

1. Joe carter
2. Roberto Alomar
3. Ed Sprague

 

[glamphotographer]

You mean the NL has it.

I think thats ridiculous btw, it should go to the team with best overall W/L record

They use to alternate every year between NL and AL.

 

[AK-47]

The 3 most important home runs in Toronto Blue Jays (playoff) history are
1. Roberto Alomar
2. Joe Carter
3. Ed Sprague

Agree or disagree?

How can you put Alomar ahead of Carter's world series winning HR??

 

[nondescriptive]

How can you put Alomar ahead of Carter's world series winning HR??

The Alomar HR, gave the Jays momentum to defeat the A's in the 92 , without that home run, the A's would have most likely won the series and no World series title for the Jays.

 

[gcostanza]

How can you put Alomar ahead of Carter's world series winning HR??

My opinion.
Cause & Effect.

If Alomar doesn't hit that HR, do the Blue Jays win the '92 ALCS, let alone the '92 World Series?

Does ownership allow Gaston, Gillick and the rest of the front office to return in 1993?

Does a new G.M. come in (in November '92) after yet another postseason disappointment
and blow up a team that just can't get over the hump.

The club is not reloading for '93 at that point, they're trading players looking for a different chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not saying Alomar's home run was more amazing or more thrilling, or that the immediate result of it was bigger.
Rather that without Alomar's home run, it is entirely possible that what I proposed a few lines up would have occurred.

 

[Butler1000]

How can you put Alomar ahead of Carter's world series winning HR??

The difference was psychological. It came against our nemisis Eckersley. He was a bogie man for the team. It said(and I said it at the time) "we can win it all". I had that big an impact. It send the message that we can over come anything.

Carter was amazing. But it was game 6 so the series wasn't on the line. It was more of an icing on the cake that a momentum shifter that the Alomar homer was.

 

[ultistar]

For all these reasons Alomars HR is the top in BJ history.

The Alomar HR, gave the Jays momentum to defeat the A's in the 92 , without that home run, the A's would have most likely won the series and no World series title for the Jays.

My opinion.
Cause & Effect.

If Alomar doesn't hit that HR, do the Blue Jays win the '92 ALCS, let alone the '92 World Series?

Does ownership allow Gaston, Gillick and the rest of the front office to return in 1993?

Does a new G.M. come in (in November '92) after yet another postseason disappointment
and blow up a team that just can't get over the hump.

The club is not reloading for '93 at that point, they're trading players looking for a different chemistry.

To be clear, I'm not saying Alomar's home run was more amazing or more thrilling, or that the immediate result of it was bigger.
Rather that without Alomar's home run, it is entirely possible that what I proposed a few lines up would have occurred.

The difference was psychological. It came against our nemisis Eckersley. He was a bogie man for the team. It said(and I said it at the time) "we can win it all". I had that big an impact. It send the message that we can over come anything.

Carter was amazing. But it was game 6 so the series wasn't on the line. It was more of an icing on the cake that a momentum shifter that the Alomar homer was.

 

[ultistar]

Does Gibby have something against Buehrle? He has pulled him early the last 3 outings when it looks like he could have gone 1 more inning. He's going for 200innings for a 15th year in a row. You gotta respect that.

At least he should have let B come out in the 7th and then take him out to a standing OO in likely his last home start. 3 good years as a Jay and a great career. No respect from Gibby.

 

[gcostanza]

Does Gibby have something against Buehrle? He has pulled him early the last 3 outings when it looks like he could have gone 1 more inning. He's going for 200innings for a 15th year in a row. You gotta respect that.

At least he should have let B come out in the 7th and then take him out to a standing OO in likely his last home start. 3 good years as a Jay and a great career. No respect from Gibby.

It's discussed in a Toronto Sun article online postgame.
Gibby said he wasn't thinking about that at the time,
more concerned with winning the game.

Did say he'd speak to Mark Buehrle & apologize. I'm certain Mark will trade getting the ovation for today's team win.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/27/whoops-no-proper-sendoff-for-blue-jays-buehrle

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Gibby totally made the right move in pulling Buehrle out after six innings. He doesn't need to apologize for anything even though he did because he's a nice guy.
I was hoping he'd go to the pen to start the seventh because I was worried Buehrle would let the first 2 batters get on base.
What if Buerle allows a couple of runs in the 7th and lady luck turns against the Jays and they go on a slump to close out the season and the Yankees win the division and then the Jays lose the wild card to Houston's ace pitcher.
Something similar happened in 1989 or so.

Back in the middle of August the Jays were playing in California against the Angels on a Saturday night and something like 300 people from Aaron Sanchez' home town bused in to see the game and hopefully watch him pitch; but, Gibby wouldn't let him pitch an inning because there wasn't a Sanchez situation that developed.
I was a bit peeved at Gibby for leaving him out of the game; but, after I thought about it he was absolutely right. He's got to do what's right for the team not for one individual.
Anyway, Buehrle has made over 100 million over his career playing a kid's game; so, he's lucky to have to endure the hardship of not pitching 200 innings this year if that's the way it plays out.
A lot of people would kill to have trivial problems like that. Like all those boat people refugees all over the planet drowning in the seas.
Those people have problems. Not Mark Buehrle. He's like a kid in the candy store of life.

 

[black booty lover]

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so, he's lucky to have to endure the hardship of not pitching 200 innings this year if that's the way it plays out.
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The streak was going end eventually sometime anyway, so who really cares? Not to mention, (and I don't mean to be cold about this) but Buehrle won't be back next year so I wouldn't concern myself with hurting his feelings.

 

[DanJ]

Buehrle will just have to go out and throw a complete game shutout or no-hitter and get those innings himself in his last start if he wants 200 bad enough lol.

 

[Butler1000]

Does Gibby have something against Buehrle? He has pulled him early the last 3 outings when it looks like he could have gone 1 more inning. He's going for 200innings for a 15th year in a row. You gotta respect that.

At least he should have let B come out in the 7th and then take him out to a standing OO in likely his last home start. 3 good years as a Jay and a great career. No respect from Gibby.

Buerle is the first to admit he had some three and four inning starts which affected this. Does he want it? Sure. But you don't get it unless you deserve it. There ain't no gimmees in professional sports. I'm sure if we have sewn up the division in Baltimore Gibby will give Buerle a lot of leeway in his last start as he probably won't be on the ALDS roster. But if there is something on the line the sorry but the team comes first.

And Buerle is man enough to accept that.

 

[AK-47]

And if he isnt man enough to accept it he should find another team

 

[Dawgger]

Buehrle recently had a cortisone shot in his shoulder, that probably had something to do with him being pulled after 6. They changed the rotation to give him an extra day of rest. He is not 100%

 

[ultistar]

OK, leave out pitching extra inning part, G still should have let B go out for the 7th and replace him BEFORE the 1st batter to let him have the ovation he deserves. Not compromising a win, and all it takes is 1min extra. The 47K fans are happy, the teammates are happy.
Baseball is a game of tradition and recognizing achievement. I still remember a few years back, when it was determined that Ichiro would NOT reach 200 hits for a 11th season, the OPPOSING players lead an ad hoc standing ovation.

B will never complain but these achievements are usually recognized in baseball.

 

[busterhut]

OK, leave out pitching extra inning part, G still should have let B go out for the 7th and replace him BEFORE the 1st batter to let him have the ovation he deserves. Not compromising a win, and all it takes is 1min extra. The 47K fans are happy, the teammates are happy.
Baseball is a game of tradition and recognizing achievement. I still remember a few years back, when it was determined that Ichiro would NOT reach 200 hits for a 11th season, the OPPOSING players lead an ad hoc standing ovation.

B will never complain but these achievements are usually recognized in baseball.

That would have been nice. But I would prefer the team to be focussing on winning the game instead of being nice to a good guy good pitcher. If the time and ooportunity was there fine, but there's a pennant race to take care of. I guess Gibby could manage with his heart, but I personally would get a bit tired of Kawasaki starting ahead of Goins or Travis and batting leadoff.