European Refugee Crisis

[IRIS]

And all of them are innocent civilians!

The left pictures is took in Aleppo (Syria) in 2015 January. It show a 30 years old Vahabiti gunman Laith Al-Saleh.
The right pictures took at Kos Island in Greece this summer. He just waits there as a refuggee for the ferries what bring him to Europe.

 

[TESLAMotors]

And all of them are innocent civilians!

The left pictures is took in Aleppo (Syria) in 2015 January. It show a 30 years old Vahabiti gunman Laith Al-Saleh.
The right pictures took at Kos Island in Greece this summer. He just waits there as a refuggee for the ferries what bring him to Europe.

Anything to get into another country. I'm sure he'll be tearing up Europe in no time. Nice.

 

[basketcase]

It didnt end then either. When the west invaded iraq in 2003 it started the chain of events that lead to where we are now....

The Shia/Sunni conflict was still going on then. For example, the Iran/Iraq war would fit in the pattern. Yes the US took sides and so did the Soviets but the conflict was there already. The World powers took advantage of the situation to extend their power and Iran/Iraq took advantage of the powers to gain better weaponry. Saddam was good in terms of this conflict because he just slaughtered anyone who got in his way. You can tell that the ethnic slaughter that took place after Saddam's fall and even at the end of Gulf War 1 that the hatred were simmering just below the surface. Or the ethnic slaughter in Iran with the Bahai, with the Kurds in Turkey/Iran, Armenians, and pretty much any other minority ethnicity. The same conflict is going on in Yemen, just below the surface in Qatar and even within Saudi Arabia. There is a hell of a lot of hatred that people aren't eager to move on from.

As I see it, all the West (or the Soviets/Russia and now China) did was give better weapons to their favorites. The teams chose sides centuries ago.

 

[canada-man]

 

[basketcase]

Completely wrong analogy.

The refugees from the middle east that we see inundating Europe now are not there because their survival is threatened. They are economic refugees. This can be seen in the fact that pretty much each and every one of them wants to go to Germany. ...

I'd disagree with that. Sounds like a huge number of them are Syrians so their leaving home has a hell of a lot to do with survival. Mostly the first fled to Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey but none of those countries are interested in refugees and treated them like crap (Neither Jordan or Lebanon are signatories to the UN Refugee Convention).

Now once they fled their homes, I don't blame them for wanting to take refuge in the best possible location. Hungary is their first stop because once in Hungary they are in the EU and travel is easier. Hungary though is one of the more openly 'nationalist' (read racist) countries in the EU so I wouldn't want to stay their either. I know Canada and the US have a Safe Haven (?) law where people can only claim refugee status in the first 'safe' country they enter but I don't think the EU has something similar.


And yes, it would be nice if Saudi Arabia and Iran took in some refugees since it's their proxy war chasing most of those people out Syria, Iraq, and Yemen but again, they don't want to (again, Saudi and the Gulf States aren't signatories).

 

[basketcase]

... lots of pictures with food trays thrown in the garbage, they pull down their pants and shit anywhere, lots of rape. ....

When did Donald Trump join terb?

 

[basketcase]

And all of them are innocent civilians!


The left pictures is took in Aleppo (Syria) in 2015 January. It show a 30 years old Vahabiti gunman Laith Al-Saleh.
The right pictures took at Kos Island in Greece this summer. He just waits there as a refuggee for the ferries what bring him to Europe.

I have no idea of what Vahabiti (I have a feeling it is a rather negative descriptor) means but according to articles, he fought AGAINST Assad and AGAINST the Islamist groups. Doesn't sound too bad in my books.

 

[Polaris]

Some of these refugees coming to Canada that's for sure.

Ship them back to Syria, for example, then USA continues bombing Assad's forces, all Aliwaites will be extreminated by the daseah. All the men will be killed, and the women made slaves.

 

[fuji]

These aren't traditional economic refugees who couldn't find work in their home country.

These are formerly hard working people whose lives were overturned by war. They are also the cream of that crop, the ones who were tough enough and resourceful and hardy enough to get the hell out of there. Not everyone had the gumption or the persistence or the fortitude to do that.

As such they are IDEAL IMMIGRANTS, people who will likely resume working hard when given a chance.

Canada should offer to take them ALL, before they get established elsewhere and we lose the chance. They will be a significant benefit to whatever country they wind up in.

 

[danmand]

It is a classic example of "You reap what you sow". The west have destroyed countless societies in North Africa and the Middle East, so now Europe has to deal with people, who's lives became untenable in these societies.

A good portion of them should be sent to the USA.

 

[fuji]

It is a classic example of "You reap what you sow". The west have destroyed countless societies in North Africa and the Middle East, so now Europe has to deal with people, who's lives became untenable in these societies.

A good portion of them should be sent to the USA.

So, countries with aging populations should foment more foreign wars in order to benefit from the influx of refugees?

 

[SkyRider]

The west have destroyed countless societies in North Africa and the Middle East,.

Yes, those societies were so perfect before the arrival of the "white man".

 

[**Sophie**]

A good portion of them should be sent to the USA.

I agree, the U.S likes to stir the pot they should take them in that's a great idea.

 

[fuji]

So send them to Japan...... I'm quite sure these refugees will fit in quite nicely with Japanese customs and cultural norms.

Why should Canada be shut out of the benefits of getting a reasonable share of these refugees?

 

[fuji]

What is Japan's immigration policy and laws regarding accepting refugees from muslim countries?
Surely Japan's aging population could benefit from new blood.

They surely could, but like European countries Japan has xenophobic immigration policies so they will miss out. It is nations like Canada that have historically realized the benefits of open immigration.

 

[Patts]

I saw news footage of a dead boy washed a shore, and it is heart wrenching. I couldn't help but wonder what his last thoughts were. Was he scared? Did he know he was going to die? What did his parents think in those last moments? Were they sorry for their chance decision? Did they hold him and apologize? That they were so desperate, I have no doubt.

In the same news cast I saw a grown man, holding his child with his wife by his side, being "escorted" by Hungarian police (at least I think so). He was first protesting, then he broke down and cried. I don't think it was an act. I think it was hopelessness.

I am thankful to my ancestors going back to whatever monkey I evolved from for making a series of decisions, aided probably by a good amount of luck, that did not end up in death and have culminated in me having great opportunity in life. Canada, my country, is a big part of that as well - though I am keenly aware of how this country started and the people/cultures who were violently displaced in its "establishment".

We live in a world of very bad problems. A world that needs practical solutions that fit within constructs that we think work. But I'm mostly a dreamer at heart. A part of me wants humanity and the world to evolve to a place that has no borders. To a place where the Earth and its opportunities belong to all in equal share and proportion.

But we don't live in that world - yet. In the meantime, I hope that nations, governments, people; I hope that they make decisions that move us closer to that ideal.

 

[fuji]

Generosity can only be extended when your willing to PAY FOR IT. The Japanese are shrewd money savers and won't extend much generosity.
But they are only more willing to purchase more U.S. bonds.

We need more immigrants if in future we want to be able to pay for anything, owing to our aging population. Young, hardworking, resourceful people are just what we need.

 

[Butler1000]

Unfortunately Fuji you. Haven't actually proven that these people are the type you espouse them to be.

I can just as easily label them thusly:

As the runner/cowards who would do the same anywhere.
As the criminals seeking easier pickings in less dangerous waters.
As the vultures who may well have stepped over their fellow travellers to get that far.

And whatever other unsavory descriptors you can imagine. And I would be probably about as right as you are in that mix.

The history of emigration from that area seems to show not integration but self segregation. And of bringing too many of their cultural baggages with them. And one only needs to look at the crowd opposing the same sex curriculum to see this. It isn't white rednecks as much as a Muslim crowd protesting. And from what I've seen on TV heavy with youth denouncing it.

When it comes to Europe the rise of the right wing nationalists can easily be blamed on the xenophobia. But the economic and cultural issues need to be there for it to flourish. And these types, of immigration cause those conditions to be met when left unchecked.

We do. Our fair share. I prefer those who arrive legally with the skill set and want to be here, not those who are just looking to be anywhere but there.

 

[fuji]

Canada was founded by exactly this sort of person, refugees from whatever blight or religious persecution, and we have done pretty well.

We should take them ALL.

That three year old that drowned and washed up in a beach was apparently trying to get to Canada. We should have sent a plane to get him, a three year old! That is paydirt in immigration terms, he would have been socialized by our school system. And he died trying to get here.

We should enact emergency legislation to divert all available Air Canada, West jet, Canadian military, etc, jets and form a massive air convoy to get any refugee family with young kids to Canada this week. It is a national priority for us and a humanitarian disaster for them.

Rarely does alleviating human suffering align so well with a national interest as in this case. We get to grab the golden ring and be heroes at the same time.

 

[Butler1000]

Unfortunately the young ones aren't being socialized in the schools but in the Mosques. That's the issue. The parents had their children old denouncing the new school curriculum and being interviewed.

Remember when McGuinty had to emphatically state that Sharia Law would never be used in Ontario? That is the kind of things we will continue to have to deal with.

That's my point Fuji. They DON'T Assimilate. They self segregate. Others come here because they want to be Canadian. They come here because they want a safe place to be Muslim.

And that is a big difference.