You forget half the part of asking questions is actually listening to the answer. Every time the answer is something that doesn't back your world conspiracy you ignore it and move on to the ever more ridiculous.
9/11 was ‘mother of all false flag attacks’: US scholar
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I was making a point to basketcase in how you wouldn't need as many people as he thinks to be a part of the attacks. He threw out that you'd need air traffic controllers in on the plan.
The point was, air traffic control failed miserably that day and they were simply doing their job - according to the "government story of how it all went down".
I'm pointing out that it wouldn't be necessary as they did a shit job at figuring things out anyways. Either way, they fucked up, whether unintentionally or intentionally.
Don't make me retract my comment about you not being stupid. I was being nice, but I can also be not so cordial.
It's not paranoia, it's common sense and scientific fact and these people who are experts who BUILT the buildings. lol
I'll copy/paste for you again to read.
Watch from 35:28 - your beloved tube structures are mentioned.
21:03 - Forensic FIRE ENGINEER AND fire investigator "according to NIST the failure occured and column 79 on level 12. They're talking about a single column failure/collapse that resulted in the total collapse of the building. That doesn't make sense. Buildings don't break that way"
21:35 - DEMOLITION ENGINEER "the story that just a few columns can cause a synchronized global collapse...an implosion, well that's just nonsense"
21:47 - STRUCTURAL ENGINEER in regards to WTC#7 "the exterior on the outside and the inside at the bottom would have to be severed at the same time"
22:02 - METALLURGICAL ENGINEER "it cannot happen that when you have asymmetric damage that you will get a perfectly symmetrical collapse"
36:48 - the CONSTRUCTION MANAGER of the WTC buildings recorded in January of 2001
""the bldg was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it, the building could probably sustain multiple impacts from jetliners, because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing the screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen nettting." describing how the buildings could take multiple hits from jet liners, the (tube) structure could take the hits.
37:22 - WORLD TRADE CENTER STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
describing how a 300 ton plane hitting a building designed to carry a 13,000 ton building wouldn't do anything.
Btw this recording was clearly from the 70's or early 80s judging by the glasses. lol
37:43 - (ANOTHER) WTC STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
"we designed the building to take the impact of the Boeing 707 hitting the building in any location"
37:50 - the CHIEF ELECTRICAL DESIGN ENGINEER of the WTC
"the plane already hit but what I noticed was, the lights were still in the lobby. That led me to believe that the plane never got to the core columns.... because the feeds for all the lights were in the core columns."
38:21 - NUCLEAR ENGINEER/former Director Advanced Space Program (USAF) -
"hose aircraft and fires could not cause those buildings could to come down that way."
So something doesn't add up when you have (AGAIN), experts who built the buildings saying the buildings could sustain multiple impacts, the out shell of the building would take the brunt of the hit, the core column was intact.
That's not EVEN touching on the subject of molten steel being seen at the scene, whereas NIST (the government agency) said they saw no such thing. lol
Like I said, you're just being intentionally dishonest and are clearly ideological. You're just making it so obvious, I feel a tiny bit embarrassed for you.
The best analogy I could give would be, if you were in a car accident and you had the car company assess the damage and tell you what happened to your engine and the guts of the car versus the insurance guys.
Who are you honestly going to believe? The people who made your car and knew it inside out, or the insurance company? lol
Considering tit has claimed there were no planes and in some posts you agreed with him, air traffic controllers would have to either be in on it or too incompetent to tell the difference between a cruise missile and a passenger jet.
First off, listening to scientific fact means listening to the entirety of the information, not just selecting soundbites and warping their meaning.
Where in those expert opinions were they talking about a controlled demolition? I'm sure if you chose to read their entire statements instead of cherry picked quotes it would tell a different story. For one, the massive amount of load sustained through the exterior of the building meant the core did not need to be destroyed. Second, the planes did survive the impact of the planes exactly as they were designed. Unfortunately all the jet fuel weakened the steel girders enough that they began to fail under the increased load caused by the destruction of the exterior columns. Once the load overcame the max strain in the heated girders, the exterior would have pulled away from the core causing even greater stress on the subsequent floors and therefore a systematic collapse.
As for the "buildings don't collapse that way", I'm sure they are right in their experiences. Of course there were no other buildings designed that way so they had never experienced collapse of that design before.
The buildings DID survive the jet impacts for the reasons given above. What they did NOT survive was the heat from the resulting massive fire. It was the weakening of the structure under prolonged extreme heat that they did not design for.
In some ways the design was a success. The buildings stood for hours after the planes hit and in theory that was enough time to evacuate everyone, which is what that really would have designed for. Unfortunately the fire consumed the entire floor and blocked all escape routes from above. But below that almost everyone got out, thanks to the designed ability of the building to take the impact damage.
And your "demolition expert", had this guy ever worked on a building with this tube design? And no swinging a sledgehammer at WTC debris doesn't count.
Considering there are only a handful of such buildings ever built, I doubt it.
Experience demolishing a two to twenty floor building based on a standard compression design isn't expertise on this topic.
And no a nuclear guy is not an expert on what amount of heat for what time causes this type of building to fail, another example of a fake expert: somebody with a cool job title who actually knows nothing about this topic.
I can, however, point you to some real experts: the very many professionals who worked on the NIST report, most of whom would have to be in on the conspiracy you imagined.
Guess it's like that Al Pacino movie quote: "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in"
Lol yes.Guess it's like that Al Pacino movie quote: "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in"
What reasons? lol Those aren't reasons those are ideological ideas and agenda driven excuses.
Just like the WMDs in Iraq.
Okay, so 300 TONS of ALUMINUM can break through 13,000 tons of concrete and STEEL. Gotcha Fuji. LOL!
36:48 CONSTRUCTION MANAGER of the WTC buildings recorded in January of 2001
""the bldg was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it, the building could probably sustain multiple impacts from jetliners, because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door, the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing the screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen nettting." --- describing how the buildings could take multiple hits from jet liners, the (tube) structure could take the hits.
37:22 - WORLD TRADE CENTER STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
describing how a 300 ton plane hitting a building designed to carry a 13,000 ton building wouldn't do anything.
37:43 - (ANOTHER) WTC STRUCTURAL ENGINEER
"we designed the building to take the impact of the Boeing 707 hitting the building in any location"
37:50 - the CHIEF ELECTRICAL DESIGN ENGINEER of the WTC
"the plane already hit but what I noticed was, the lights were still in the lobby. That led me to believe that the plane never got to the core columns.... because the feeds for all the lights were in the core columns."
Funny you should mention that.
On February 13, 1975, the WTC North Tower was beset by a fire, which "burned at temperatures in excess of 700°C (1,292°F) for over three hours and spread over some 65 percent of the 11th floor, including the core, caused no serious structural damage to the steel structure. In particular, no trusses needed to be replaced."
Sources: New York Times, Saturday 15th February 1975
Amazing, it didn't collapse back then. Just incredible.
According to the structural engineers, the guys behind the design, the guys in charge of building it, it SHOULD have been able to take a single 300 ton plane no problem, multiple aircraft, no problem on ANY side, no problem.
That thing was made to take hits, MULTIPLE times.
So aluminum can cut through concrete and steel, awesome.
People should sell any stocks they have in steel and invest in aluminum.
Now you're reaching, it's pretty desperate and said. Straw Man Fuji.
These guys are EXPERTS in demolitions. According to NIST, debris and fires took out a SINGLE column of WTC#7. You honestly believe that story? lol
29:20 explosions before and during the collapse, but NIST denies any explosions?
NIST John Gross - Co-lead investigator - "knew of no eye witness that saw molten steel"
CUE the fireighters 30:45 - "I saw molten steel...like a foundry......like lava"
Poor ol' John Gross, I heard nothing, I saw nothing, therefore it didn't happen.
lol
I left him out, so you stop cherry picking and address the pros who actually BUILT AND KNEW THE building, stop your crying and whining, Straw Man Fuji.
Yes, John Gross, a co-lead who works for the government. "I didn't see any molten steel, what are you talking about?"
LOL
WTC # 7
A single column failed, therefore the entire building would collapse on a 40,000 ton building?
lmao, dude, you really believe that shit?
Fire and debris took out one column?
I'm amazed at how the Oklahoma city building didn't collapse though, looks like it had more than one column severed, okay, maybe two at most.
Granted there is a different design possibly, McDonald's straws?.... but DAYYUMMN!
http://247ureports.com/the-11th-anniversary-of-911-paul-craig-roberts/
snipit:
One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad.
Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed.
Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed.
The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked.
The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.
It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred.
No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history.
Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.”
-—Dr. Paul Craig Roberts . Reagan Administration Chief.
The rest of his blog/letter is a great read.
snipit:
One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad.
Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed.
Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed.
The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked.
The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.
It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred.
No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history.
Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.”
-—Dr. Paul Craig Roberts . Reagan Administration Chief.
The rest of his blog/letter is a great read.
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I am guessing that you aren't worried when a 1/2 ounce (12.8 gram) 303 bullet is fired point blank at you since that would be 1/2 ounce trying to break through your body weighing ~ 3,000 ounces. Yeah ..... you 'Gotcha' Fuji pretty good with that logic !
Not to mention, on Tes's last note, Bush and his cronies were also waiting to investigate, till all the evidence from ground zero got shipped to China !! Why China?
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