Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?

[Moviefan-2]

I have no idea what planet you live on, but on this one I'll take Obama's opinion over fuji's.

That's a rather cute attempt to evade the fact that you were wrong.

The quote that Fuji cited was Netanyahu's quote during the election -- not after the election, as you incorrectly stated.

You have insisted that we must take the Haaretz headline as gospel when it comes to Netanyahu's intentions. But the actual quotes in the story don't support the headline and there is a debate about whether the Haaretz story was a correct translation of his comments.

Since Netanyahu has publicly stated in his post-election comments that he supports a two-state solution, your argument that the Haaretz headline is the definitive statement is untenable.

 

[Frankfooter]

So you now agree that in the long term Netanyahu supports a Palestinian state, and that his objection to one during his term in office is based only on current conditions?

No, he was elected on a promise to never allow a Palestinian state, not to support one.

Man up and admit you are wrong.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212

 

[fuji]

No, he was elected on a promise to never allow a Palestinian state, not to support one.

Everyone can see you are just a fucking liar.

"I think that anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state [size=+5]today[/size] and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds to the radical Islam against the state of Israel. Anyone who ignores this is sticking his head in the sand. The left does this time and time again."

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4468e8-cbdc-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html)

Oh, and let's not forget the kicker: "[size="+1"]I don't want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution"[/size]"

 

[basketcase]

No, he was elected on a promise to never allow a Palestinian state, not to support one.
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Hamas was elected on a promise to destroy Israel and eliminate Jews from the Middle East. Comment?

 

[Frankfooter]

Everyone can see you are just a fucking liar.
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This is from the article you quoted.

"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"


Now that you've gone and shown why I am right and you are wrong, can you at least keep the stupid and blatantly wrong accusations of lying down to one thread?
I really have no desire to hang out with such blatant bullshitters in one thread, let alone two with the same stupid accusations.

 

[fuji]

"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

And it is crystal clear that he means during his term in office, "today". In case there were any doubt he has explicitly stated he wants a two state solution.

Explicitly stated.

Yet you decided to lie about it, a lie everyone here can see. Why you decided to destroy your own reputation and credibility nobody knows, but you have, and your lying nature will follow you around on every thread.

 

[Frankfooter]

And it is crystal clear that he means during his term in office, "today".

No, you are adding the word 'today' on your own.
Netanyahu clearly stated that he wouldn't allow a Palestinian state as long as he was in power.

This is from your Washington Post article.



"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

Admit you are wrong and apologize.

 

[fuji]

No, the word today is in the quote. I pasted that line directly from the article, which gave his full quote.

You have decided to lie and you are going to wear this for awhile.

 

[Frankfooter]

No, the word today is in the quote. I pasted that line directly from the article, which gave his full quote.

You have decided to lie and you are going to wear this for awhile.

No, the translation of the quote you picked contained the word today, but the three other reports or translations of the quotes I've provided didn't include that word.
In any event, that wasn't the line that matters in this argument, its this one.

"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

There was no time limit to that question, just would he allow a Palestinian state when he was PM, to which he clearly stated 'no'.

Man up and admit you are wrong.

 

[Moviefan-2]

No, you are adding the word 'today' on your own.
Netanyahu clearly stated that he wouldn't allow a Palestinian state as long as he was in power.

This is from your Washington Post article.



"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

Admit you are wrong and apologize.

This is too funny. In fact, the Washington Post article that you're citing says Netanyahu did use the word "today".

See paragraph four:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4468e8-cbdc-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html

I would say the time reference is pretty clear. According to the Washington Post, he was saying he would not establish a Palestinian state in the current situation when radical Islam is a threat to Israel. In no way does he suggest his position would remain the same if the situation in the Middle East were to change.

In the future, you might want to try reading your own sources. :thumb:

 

[basketcase]

No, the translation...

In every translation of Hamas statements, they say they want to destroy Israel and remove Jews from the region yet you couldn't care less about that.

 

[fuji]

No, the translation of the quote you picked contained the word today

The original in Hebrew does too. Haaretz, which actively campaigned against Netanyahu, abbreviated his quote to remove that important qualification. The Washington Post, an objective outside well respected media outlet, provided the complete quote as did several others.

However, if there is any lingering doubt Netanyahu addressed it completely when he stated: [size="+1"]I don't want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution"[/size].

You have been shown that quote in blue around twenty times now. There is no doubt at all what Netanyahu believes, he has been as explicit as is humanly possible in openly stating his support for a two state solution.

Which makes you a liar, because you KNOW he said that, you have seen it TWENTY TIMES, but you still lie and misrepresent his position for your nefarious, hateful purposes.

 

[Frankfooter]

Which makes you a liar, because you KNOW he said that, you have seen it TWENTY TIMES, but you still lie and misrepresent his position for your nefarious, hateful purposes.

And I've shown you this quote twenty times or so now:
This is from your article.
"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

Only an idiot would try to claim that this means he supports a two state solution.

 

[fuji]

Your quote is in the context of what he supports happening TODAY, he used the word today explicitly in the sentence that question was clarifying.

Clearly he does not envision an independent Palestinian state anytime soon but perhaps in twenty or thirty years conditions will change and in that case he does support a Palestinian state.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your quote is in the context of what he supports happening TODAY, he used the word today explicitly in the sentence that question was clarifying.

Clearly he does not envision an independent Palestinian state anytime soon but perhaps in twenty or thirty years conditions will change and in that case he does support a Palestinian state.

You really are an idiot

So now your argument is that maybe in twenty or thirty years he'll support a two state solution?
Just apologize and admit you were wrong to call me a liar for saying Netanyahu was elected on a promise to not allow a Palestinian state.

 

[fuji]

No moron, what he has clearly said is that he supports a Palestinian state, but one is not currently possible. Maybe in that time it will become possible.

He is very clear:

Netanyahu: [size="+1"]"I never retracted my speech in Bar Illan University 6 years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state. What has changed is the reality. Abu Mazen the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state, has made a pact with Hamas, that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so can realize a vision of real sustained peace. I don’t want a one state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful, two state solution but for that circumstances have to change.

First of all that state would become a terror state. Iran has said that it would the arm the West Bank the way it armed Gaza. We withdrew from Gaza. We got, just a few months ago – not ancient history but a few months ago – thousands of rockets, Andrea, on our heads … we don’t want it to happen again."[/size].

 

[Frankfooter]

No moron, what he has clearly said is that he supports a Palestinian state, but one is not currently possible. Maybe in that time it will become possible, maybe not, that is up to the Palestinians.

I note that you have now edited your post to retract the 'maybe in twenty or thirty years' line.
More dishonesty.

Are you now going to deny that you said that 'maybe in twenty or thirty years' Netanyahu might support a Palestinian state?
Is that today's tactic?

We are still left with the promise Netanyahu made to get himself elected:
This is from your article.
"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

When are you going to apologize?

 

[fuji]

Here is what Netanyahu indisputably believes:

"I never retracted my speech in Bar Illan University 6 years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state. What has changed is the reality. Abu Mazen the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state, has made a pact with Hamas, that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so can realize a vision of real sustained peace. I don’t want a one state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful, two state solution but for that circumstances have to change.

First of all that state would become a terror state. Iran has said that it would the arm the West Bank the way it armed Gaza. We withdrew from Gaza. We got, just a few months ago – not ancient history but a few months ago – thousands of rockets, Andrea, on our heads … we don’t want it to happen again."

 

[Moviefan-2]

There was no mention of it just being 'current', no time frame at all, just a promise to never allow a Palestinian state.
The other stuff you keep adding was his attempt to cover his ass, but nobody buys it.

Just apologize and admit you were wrong to call me a liar for saying Netanyahu was elected on a promise to not allow a Palestinian state.

It's interesting that "never" has been transformed into "not allow."

In fact, you stated that Netanyahu had promised to "never allow a Palestinian state."

He said no such thing.

Furthermore, if you actually did read the Washington Post article you cited, then you knew your accusations that Fuji had "added" the word "today" to Netanyahu's quotes were false.

No apology is required. You have made false accusations against Fuji. And you did assert that Netanyahu said he would "never" support a two-state solution -- an assertion that is not supported by the currently available facts.

 

[Frankfooter]

In fact, you stated that Netanyahu had promised to "never allow a Palestinian state."

He said no such thing.

This is from fuji's article.
"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"

Not, as in not ever, as in never while he is PM.
He said it would not happen as long as he is PM, that's never.

And you accused me of saying this:
" And you did assert that Netanyahu said he would "never" support a two-state solution "

That's not what I said, I said that Netanyahu was elected on a promise to not allow a Palestinian state while he was PM.
If you are going to be as dishonest as fuji here, I won't answer any other questions of yours either until you also apologize.