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The worst part about saunders' injury is the loss of a strong left handed bat. Anyone who thinks Navarro is going to be traded anytime soon is silly-wrong right now.

More than ever, we need his switch hitting bat.
In terms of lefties we now have Reyes (switch), Navarro (switch), and Pompey (switch).

Saunders once hit two home runs in one game at "Skydome". This park will eventually be great for his average.

I am not sad to see Lind or Ramus gone... But we are VERY limited in terms of left handed bats now.

Your so unbelievably hot with your Baseball talk. I'm worried about our "Granny" starters in Dickey and Buehrle.
Young guns have to step up. What do you think about Johan Santana signing? Desperate I think...
 

Jennifer_

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Your so unbelievably hot with your Baseball talk. I'm worried about our "Granny" starters in Dickey and Buehrle.
Young guns have to step up. What do you think about Johan Santana signing? Desperate I think...
Lol I grew up on baseball and went to World Series games
I was obsessed with Olerud when he was hitting .400. There's something about baseball- so much to think about and there's so many games- plus spring training. I really love thinking about it and talking about it lol.....

ummm- I like dickey- he won't get injured and he is consistent. Bueirle is also consistent- not an ace. I think Hutchison may come out of nowhere to be our strongest pitcher. We have no shortage of young pitching. - Osuna may come up at some point this year... We have others.

Anyone who criticizes AA is totally ignoring the strong foundation he has built with young pitching.

Santana is a free look for the jays. Signing him was no risk
I want to see Norris as fifth starter and let Sanchez close for one year (and win rookie of the year).

I'm not worried about the bullpen at all.
 

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What strong left handed bat?

In 5 seasons:
51 HR
182 RBI
.231 b.a.
.301 o.b.p.
Saunders moved through the minors very-fast and was not ready to be in the big league. He struggled early-on.

He was sent down to triple A for awhile. His career stats are not indicitive of who he has been over the past few years, (minus the freak injuries he has had).

He is a strong left handed bat. Thankfully he will be back in April :D

Hopefully the same doesn't happen to Pompey.
 

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Saunders moved through the minors very-fast and was not ready to be in the big league. He struggled early-on.

He was sent down to triple A for awhile. His career stats are not indicitive of who he has been over the past few years, (minus the freak injuries he has had).

He is a strong left handed bat. Thankfully he will be back in April :D

Hopefully the same doesn't happen to Pompey.
Jennifer, I appreciate your passion, hope & loyalty.

To paraphrase Dennis Green: 'A player is what his numbers says he is.'
 

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I am surprised no one has commented in the Jays signing Santana, IMO this is a real good move, minor league contract, cost/downside is nominal, upside could be huge if he is 75% of what he was. Starts out in the minors and if he can get it done thee up here as the #5 starter. If he can give you 6 or 7 innings an outing it will be a major win, if he does nothing no big deal! When healthy he was friggin' awesome!
 

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Jays have also signed Dayan Viciedo, formerly of the White Sox, to a minor league contract. If he makes the team it would probably be as LF until Saunders comes back. Apparently he has lots of power, but never saw a pitch he didn't want to swing at. Reminds me of Rasmus.
 

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The Jays will probably finish 4th in the A.L. east. They don't have quality depth and their bullpen is suspect, they are definitely behind Baltimore and Boston when it comes to wins this season. However, Mr. Anthopoulos could bring in a team of all-stars for that albatross Mr. Gibbons and he will still manage to bring them down.
 

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I am surprised no one has commented in the Jays signing Santana, IMO this is a real good move, minor league contract, cost/downside is nominal, upside could be huge if he is 75% of what he was. Starts out in the minors and if he can get it done thee up here as the #5 starter. If he can give you 6 or 7 innings an outing it will be a major win, if he does nothing no big deal! When healthy he was friggin' awesome!
I also view the Santana move with optimism. That increases our bullpen strength, but if players were traded out because they were toxic presences in the locker room, then we should respect that. When recently interviewed by the press in Spring Training, Jose Bautista commented on how well the team was working together and how no group of guys he has ever worked with has seemed more motivated to win. If he feels comfortable saying that (because he isn't really a good liar), I trust Jose's judgment and his leadership. He has been such a leader in the Jays ball club and if he didn't want to rat out his teammates, that's ok, but the fact remains that there were rumours they weren't happy to be playing for Toronto, whereas Jose was saying this club seems very enthusiastic and wants to win.

As for Gibbons, he wasn't a bad manager last year and he won't be a bad manager this year either. We brought Cito back and look how that played out; 20 years on he did a less-than-stellar job.It's baseball, guys.
 

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Interesting article on BluebirdBanter regarding mistakes made by Gibbons last season. The 2 that got the most votes were 'Continuing to run Juan Francisco out there, day after day.' and 'Having too slow a hook with R.A. Dickey '. It's not hard to imagine that that obstinacy cost the Jays 2 or 3 wins last season, which if avoided would have given them a much better chance of making the post-season.

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/3/2/8131531/poll-time-what-was-john-gibbons-worst-move-of-2014
 

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Interesting article on BluebirdBanter regarding mistakes made by Gibbons last season. The 2 that got the most votes were 'Continuing to run Juan Francisco out there, day after day.' and 'Having too slow a hook with R.A. Dickey '. It's not hard to imagine that that obstinacy cost the Jays 2 or 3 wins last season, which if avoided would have given them a much better chance of making the post-season.

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/3/2/8131531/poll-time-what-was-john-gibbons-worst-move-of-2014
Could say the same about any major league manager in any given season?
 

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And 2 or 3 games last year makes no difference.
By itself yes, but it would have put them within touching distance of the WC.

Understand, of course, that managers will make mistakes, even the very best. They aren't talking about those kind of things. These two recurring errors of judgement showed that he was particularly slow from learning from his mistakes.

Gibbons a bit better than Gaston, but that's not saying much.
 

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Mr. Gaston is way better than Mr. Gibbons as a manager. He has 2 world series rings. And before you say that those 2 championships were bought. Just look at the Yankees and Red Sox. The only sport where money seems to talk is football (soccer).
 

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Mr. Gaston is way better than Mr. Gibbons as a manager. He has 2 world series rings. And before you say that those 2 championships were bought. Just look at the Yankees and Red Sox. The only sport where money seems to talk is football (soccer).
Not knocking Cito as a manager but the quality of players on those championship teams were much better than what Gibbons has to work with. Cito did not have the success on his second time as manager, as he did not have the quality players to work with.
 

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I think most agree that Gibbons is a way below average manager.....and then must ask why he is still employed. I know its just the first spring training game, but there he is looking totally nonchalant.

During his first term as manager...I thought his strength was knowing exactly when to pull a pitcher and who to bring in....now thats questionable.

We need an up and comer or maybe a recently retired player who went to the world series a few times. A Jason Veritek or that guy with the funny batting stance who got a lot of walks and played for the red sox (going crazy trying to remember his name). In short, a winner who wants to be in the world series. Keep Hale as bench coach to help with the moves.
 

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Mr. Gaston is way better than Mr. Gibbons as a mager. He has 2 world series rings. And before you say that those 2 championships were bought. Just look at the Yankees and Red Sox. The only sport where money seems to talk is football (soccer).
I agree.

There are numerous clips of former players (both run of the mill and hall of famers) on record confirming that Cito was a players manager and that they played hard and won for him. He had the respect and was able to motivate his players to win.

Most under-rated manager of all time in my humble opinion.
 

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I agree.

There are numerous clips of former players (both run of the mill and hall of famers) on record confirming that Cito was a players manager and that they played hard and won for him. He had the respect and was able to motivate his players to win.

Most under-rated manager of all time in my humble opinion.

So why didn't a major league team, other than the Jays ever offer him a the manager's job? Don't you find it odd that he wins 2 world series in his first gig as a manager, and after he is released by the jays no one offers him a managers job until the Jays hire him in desperation?

Gibbons does not excite me as a manager, but I wouldn't can him(yet) based on what he has done with this time around with the Jays. I don't think it mattered who the manager was the last two years the Jays weren't going anywhere.
 

Don Draper

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So why didn't a major league team, other than the Jays ever offer him a the manager's job? Don't you find it odd that he wins 2 world series in his first gig as a manager, and after he is released by the jays no one offers him a managers job until the Jays hire him in desperation?
I don't know if you have any family in the USA but I do. There is a great deal of disdain towards the Toronto Blue Jays within the Baseball mindset. They see the Jays as an anomaly and just wish we weren't present at all in MLB.

The fact that we won two back to back WS just makes them spit nails in the USA. Most players wouldn't even be able to pick out where Toronto is on a map of North America.

The baseball executive mindset is so long as the Jays contribute their part, that's just dandy but no one, no one, wants to see them win the world series. Not because they're a rival or competitor, but because it is a Canadian team.

If Cito had won those two WS with any other team, he would have been courted like the pretty girl at the ball.
 
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