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shack

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I think the team is going to miss the offence supplied by Adam Lind last year.
He was only half a player since he can only hit right handers; but, the half job he did do he did pretty well.

Lind was traded for a really bad pitcher; but, I heard he was a toxic presence in the locker room, trash talking the Blue Jays management and organization especially to younger rookie players.
I heard he was traded just to get his ass out of the room.
The team didn't want the younger players drinking in any Adam Lind kool aid.
Interesting stuff. That's why I say we don't always know what's going on in the dressing room and how much that factors into trades and contracts etc.
 

Jennifer_

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I think the team is going to miss the offence supplied by Adam Lind last year.
He was only half a player since he can only hit right handers; but, the half job he did do he did pretty well.

Lind was traded for a really bad pitcher; but, I heard he was a toxic presence in the locker room, trash talking the Blue Jays management and organization especially to younger rookie players.
I heard he was traded just to get his ass out of the room.
The team didn't want the younger players drinking in any Adam Lind kool aid.
I liked Lind but the platooning stuff really went too far.

I heard Janssen was similarily cancerous in the locker room. I have little doubt Lawrie brought bad energy.

I am totally - okay with the fact that the Jays got rid of certain players and I don't doubt that a few of them provided bad energy.

I knew Janssen did not want to be in Toronto when I saw him interviewed in spring training last year. I just had a bad feeling... He just seemed unhapy right away.... Now I'm hearing he was pretty-miserable last year..... He only got 1 million more signing with Washington. Blue Jays would've had no problem beating that for their closer if they wanted him to return.

Casey is not even going to be closing for Washington.

And it's interesting to note that Lawrie and Lind were good friends..... even Melky didn't really seem to be a team player. (I love Melky and when he was injured at the end of the season, he still sat in the Jays' dugout with the team.... (but only with the Dominicans on the team).

Rasmus was obviously an unmotivated downer. He depressed me by just watching him.

After the season, Jays players claimed (off the record), that the Jays were the worst team off the field they'd ever played for. I see it.

from what I have seen from Martin, Donaldson, and Saunders.... they seem to be players who will make a positive impact on and off the field.
 

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I think the team is going to miss the offence supplied by Adam Lind last year.
He was only half a player since he can only hit right handers; but, the half job he did do he did pretty well.

Lind was traded for a really bad pitcher; but, I heard he was a toxic presence in the locker room, trash talking the Blue Jays management and organization especially to younger rookie players.
I heard he was traded just to get his ass out of the room.
The team didn't want the younger players drinking in any Adam Lind kool aid.
They probably will miss the offence but his defence wasn't considered good.
 

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Yup problems solved. Heard Beeston the other night, he sounds confident, but..........I'm not convinced! if they were to sign Shields, that would solve some of the pitching concerns, Aquino, I agree with Perry.
Shields is only going to a west coast team..probably San Diego
 

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Has anybody looked into buying tickets for the Easter weekend exhibition games in Montreal vs Cincinnati? I'm thinking about taking a fwb, and just went online to check availability... Seems like only singles available in the good areas of the stadium, at least on admission.com (directed there by the official big Owe website). I tried clicking "best available" and they kept trying to sell me tickets way the hell out in the left field bleachers.

Advice - buy nosebleeds now, scalp tickets day-of, or wait and see if they release more tix closer to the date?

Addendum: just checked Stub Hub...now those are some crazy prices, especially for preseason games.
 

Dawgger

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Shields is only going to a west coast team..probably San Diego
Looks like you right, 4 years 75 million is the what the press is reporting, sounds like a good deal for the Padres. Would love to have seen him here as that may have kept Sanchez in the bullpen, which IMO make it a lot better.
 

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Shields is a fly ball pitcher, much more suited to Petco than Rogers Ctr. I'm ok with the rotation for now, it's the bullpen we need to shore up. They were a downer last season.

No question in my mind, as Jennifer mentioned, that having Martin, Donaldson and Saunders will be a much better for team chemistry. Not a knock on Navarro at all, but Martin calls a better game. I think the greatest beneficiary may be Hutchinson.
 

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14 days before Spring Training and still a lot of holes... not the good kind! :biggrin1:

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14 days before Spring Training and still a lot of holes... not the good kind! :biggrin1:

Perry
There are some Cuban born players ,Yoan Moncada, Andy Ibanez, Hector Olivera, available that would help. Don't see the Blue Jays name mentioned as one of the teams pursuing any of these guys.
 

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There are some Cuban born players ,Yoan Moncada, Andy Ibanez, Hector Olivera, available that would help. Don't see the Blue Jays name mentioned as one of the teams pursuing any of these guys.
They are planning on a signing next year and due to the complex signing rules can't do both.
 

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They are planning on a signing next year and due to the complex signing rules can't do both.
Olivera is not subject to the international spending limits so anyone can sign him without penalties. Moncada is still a teenager so no immediate on field potential impact. Ibanez is a bit older than Moncada but not sure if he is MLB ready. The later two would impact future ability to sign international free agent given the dollars bandied about to sign them. And at least in Moncada's case he may garner a 5+ year deal which the Jays would automatically disqualify themselves from.
 

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welcome to toronto Josh Donaldson....the team whooped you in arbitration. Frankly, the Jays needed to make this guy happy.....hell Romero is getting more money and he is finished. I hope Donaldson shows class and plays like he thinks he is worth, not what the Jays are paying him
 

shack

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welcome to toronto Josh Donaldson....the team whooped you in arbitration. Frankly, the Jays needed to make this guy happy.....hell Romero is getting more money and he is finished. I hope Donaldson shows class and plays like he thinks he is worth, not what the Jays are paying him
Well, if he pouts and plays poorly, it's gonna cost him on his next contract in one year. There is very little incentive for a guy in his position, career wise, to do anything other than play hard. Otherwise he is an idiot.
 

Nad Smith

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Hard to measure the intangibles of pay day. We need this guy to be a star...and so giving him pretty close to what he asked would have sent a positive vibe. Jose Bautista was far from a star when he got here...but the Jays did a lot of things right with Jose and he became a perennial star. It is correct that nobody should dog it because they did not get the salary they wanted, but a little extra spark could have been created by paying this newcomer more so he becomes a perennial all star. So my point is that giving him this signal that the brass doesnt think he is worth as much as he thinks he is...sends a negative vibe.

And I hope he does play like a star and a great chance that he will. But quibbling with Danny Valencia is one thing...quibbling with Josh Donaldson is another.
 

mandrill

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Anthopoulos was looking to move Navarro before
“This was not about a change at the position [catcher], it was about a rare opportunity to get a guy like [Russell] Martin and something we needed to jump on.

Before he even had a chance we were going to look to move him and find him a new home and get him everyday at-bats but it didn’t materialize. It may happen at the end of spring training, it may happen during the year and he realizes that.”


http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-tried-moving-navarro-martin-deal/
 

Dawgger

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Anthopoulos was looking to move Navarro before
“This was not about a change at the position [catcher], it was about a rare opportunity to get a guy like [Russell] Martin and something we needed to jump on.

Before he even had a chance we were going to look to move him and find him a new home and get him everyday at-bats but it didn’t materialize. It may happen at the end of spring training, it may happen during the year and he realizes that.”

Navarro did a good job for the Jays last year. He was an adequate receiver with a better than average bat. He seems to think he should be an everyday catcher, but in reality the defensive tools are below average. As a back up he maybe the best around, but if a team is a contender he is not the everyday catcher. I hope he will accept the role the Jays want him to play. He will get a good number of innings as the back up catcher, DH and pinch hitter. He is very well paid as a back up and unless a team loses their starter, he will be difficult to move and get a decent player in return. I hope he decides to play for the Jays and is a good team mate that accepts his role and does not sulk.
 

mandrill

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Navarro did a good job for the Jays last year. He was an adequate receiver with a better than average bat. He seems to think he should be an everyday catcher, but in reality the defensive tools are below average. As a back up he maybe the best around, but if a team is a contender he is not the everyday catcher. I hope he will accept the role the Jays want him to play. He will get a good number of innings as the back up catcher, DH and pinch hitter. He is very well paid as a back up and unless a team loses their starter, he will be difficult to move and get a decent player in return. I hope he decides to play for the Jays and is a good team mate that accepts his role and does not sulk.
The other point is though that we need arms more than we need Navarro. So the pressure is going to be on AA to deal Navarro, unless he pulls a few rabbits of the pitching staff's hat in spring training.
 

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The other point is though that we need arms more than we need Navarro. So the pressure is going to be on AA to deal Navarro, unless he pulls a few rabbits of the pitching staff's hat in spring training.

OK.....so which team that is overstocked with pitching needs a decent hitting starting catcher that is considered to be, at best, adequate, defensively?
 
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