If you want Gibbons fired you need to get AA fired, then the new GM will bring in his own guy.
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So that is a difference of 12 games... a big difference!
If the BJ's were to start the season with a 12 game winning streak, then all they have to do is play 4 or 5 games above .500 the rest of the way to make it to the playoffs... :eyebrows:
Perry
12 game winning streak........to start the season.......(LOL).....However....you did qualify that with an if....well played counselor....... AA has to have something more happening as IMO this tam as it currently stands would be LUCKY to play .500 ball no matter who the manager is.
Remember when they won 13 a couple years ago? MUNI MUNI MUNI
Even with a 12 game winning streak to start the season, you're looking at more like 83-67 plus those first 12. That's 16 games over .500.
There are problems, but Gibbons is not in the top 3 that need to be fixed
If you are talking about the absolute best and absolute worst at opposite ends of the spectrum. Which means that most of the time, the difference will be much less.
I am just making a point that I have made several times before. :frusty:
It is not a question of numbers or stats. It is the fact that some managers can bring the best out of the players and organize and motivate them into a team... and some can't. I am sure Gibbons is a very nice guy, but he has shown time and again that he is not one of those that can.
The problem with the BJ's is not lack of talent. Not now and not for the past several years. It is lack of leadership. In baseball, the manager is like the conductor of an orchestra. He can make a big difference in ways that have nothing to do with statistics.
To me, at least, it seems clear that the players are not all that enthusiastic about playing for Gibbons. I know they say that when interviewed by the press [what would you expect them to say... and memories of past events?] but their body language, their lack of intensity, their inability to consistently perform to their own levels of competence, says something else.
If you keep sending a reliever out to the mound that consistently fails, you replace him. AA keeps on throwing Gibbons into the game and he consistently fails. So what does he do? He keeps throwing him out there.
If AA were a horse owner, I wonder if he would keep sending out the same jockey that consistently fails to get the best race possible from his best horse?
Perry
It is not a question of numbers or stats. It is the fact that some managers can bring the best out of the players and organize and motivate them into a team... and some can't. I am sure Gibbons is a very nice guy, but he has shown time and again that he is not one of those that can.
The problem with the BJ's is not lack of talent. Not now and not for the past several years. It is lack of leadership. In baseball, the manager is like the conductor of an orchestra. He can make a big difference in ways that have nothing to do with statistics.
To me, at least, it seems clear that the players are not all that enthusiastic about playing for Gibbons. I know they say that when interviewed by the press [what would you expect them to say... and memories of past events?] but their body language, their lack of intensity, their inability to consistently perform to their own levels of competence, says something else.
If you keep sending a reliever out to the mound that consistently fails, you replace him. AA keeps on throwing Gibbons into the game and he consistently fails. So what does he do? He keeps throwing him out there.
If AA were a horse owner, I wonder if he would keep sending out the same jockey that consistently fails to get the best race possible from his best horse?
Perry
You can blame Gibbons for a handful of losses last season when he didn't use the 'right' reliever at the right time or left a starter, in particular Dickie, in too long. Maybe he's learnt some lessons now so changing the manager might not have much effect especially if they are able to strengthen the bullpen.
The biggest issues last season IMO was injuries to key players and the lack of depth, with a pretty weak bench and hardly anyone in the minors ready to come up as position players apart from Pompey. Losing EE for an extended period may have made all the difference last season.
The biggest issues last season IMO was injuries to key players and the lack of depth, with a pretty weak bench and hardly anyone in the minors ready to come up as position players apart from Pompey. Losing EE for an extended period may have made all the difference last season.
162 games. Estimate five or 6 times a game he has to make a decision. Not bad for close to 1,000 decisions, when you think about it.
I remember when Gibbons had his first tour with the jays, I never ever disagreed with a pitching move. There was that incident with Lilly....taking him out was the right thing....chasing him into the clubhouse was wrong.
It is the intangible drive to win that is missing and he wasn't sought after by a single other team to manage. He was brought back as a bargain basement when AA did not think he should spend for a manager, that all his trades were enough to win. He was wrong.
They decided to not fire him after last season.....that is one thing....but they just extended his contract when he should be on a win or else year in 2015.
I wonder if Dwayne Casey knows anything about baseball? ok, i am not seriously suggesting that...but here is a guy who has made his team better with better chemistry and an obvious goal of winning (the GM too).
If you say to me, a new manager might make no difference....I agree that is possible....but he might and I would like to see that signal coming from the Jays.
It is the intangible drive to win that is missing and he wasn't sought after by a single other team to manage. He was brought back as a bargain basement when AA did not think he should spend for a manager, that all his trades were enough to win. He was wrong.
They decided to not fire him after last season.....that is one thing....but they just extended his contract when he should be on a win or else year in 2015.
I wonder if Dwayne Casey knows anything about baseball? ok, i am not seriously suggesting that...but here is a guy who has made his team better with better chemistry and an obvious goal of winning (the GM too).
If you say to me, a new manager might make no difference....I agree that is possible....but he might and I would like to see that signal coming from the Jays.
Although he's not a Blue Jay any more, he's still one of my favourite Jays of all time - John MacDonald has retired from playing baseball, as announced by the Blue Jays. I wish him all success in the next stage of his career.
Why would they. I like the guy and liked what he brought to the team, but having a ceremony for every player makes it meaningless. He was a superb defensive player, but in the big scheme of things was a career utility player who played about half of his career in Toronto.
I don't mean the 30 minutes on the infield thing, ....but bring him in for a weekend, throw out the first ball and give him a welcome ovation after the third inning....put him on tv with buck and pat.....that kind of honour.....
that would be the perfect thing..even though he was a utility man ., he was much appreciated for his blue collar approach to the game
I'd have no problem with that. He was a class guy, understood his role with the team and always put in 110%. And I agree with you 1000% on Gibbons. He doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to win. I've heard him on MLB radio recently and he displayed good baseball knowledge, but there was no passion there. His coaching record at all stops has been underwhelming. He was a definite downgrade from Farrell.
He may end out being as valuable as Juan Francisco.Blue Jays have signed Kawasaki to AAA. Everything is right in the world now
Ouch that sucks!
Kawasaki understands his role and always gives 110%....I agree with Jennifer. Good move!
Kawasaki understands his role and always gives 110%....I agree with Jennifer. Good move!
In the stupid orange part of the world, O's offer $7,000,000.00 to Rasmus - who turns it down and demands more. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!
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