Amnesty International - Gaza Strikes a war crime

[fuji]

Israel kept its promise, the Arabs who stayed are full citizens.

The Arabs of Haifa are a good example that totally blows away your lie. They easily could have "escaped" and many did. But many also stayed. Those who stayed received full citizenship.

 

[nottyboi]

Israel kept its promise, the Arabs who stayed are full citizens.

The Arabs of Haifa are a good example that totally blows away your lie. They easily could have "escaped" and many did. But many also stayed. Those who stayed received full citizenship.

Oh it blows away my lie does it? Look at this little excerpt from the Wiki on the battle of Haifa in 1948:

By mid-May only 4000 from the pre conflict population estimate of 65,000 Palestinian Arabs remained. These were concentrated in Wadi Nisnas and Wadi Salib whilst the systematic destruction of Arab housing in certain areas, was implemented by Haifa's Technical and Urban Development departments in cooperation with the IDF's city commander Ya'akov Lublini.[36]

So only 4000 of the original arab population remained and I guess those that stayed are now to to about where they were in 1948.. after over 3 generations.. probably some immigration as well....Haifa is definitely one of the more desirable places to stay in Israel so it will always atttract people.

I think you should stop using the name Fuji, it is a japanese name and your stupidity and dishonesty shame the name.

 

[fuji]

Oh it blows away my lie does it? Look at this little excerpt from the Wiki on the battle of Haifa in 1948:

By mid-May only 4000 from the pre conflict population estimate of 65,000 Palestinian Arabs remained. These were concentrated in Wadi Nisnas and Wadi Salib whilst the systematic destruction of Arab housing in certain areas, was implemented by Haifa's Technical and Urban Development departments in cooperation with the IDF's city commander Ya'akov Lublini.[36]

So only 4000 of the original arab population remained and I guess those that stayed are now to to about where they were in 1948.. after over 3 generations.. probably some immigration as well....Haifa is definitely one of the more desirable places to stay in Israel so it will always atttract people.

I think you should stop using the name Fuji, it is a japanese name and your stupidity and dishonesty shame the name.

In fact the Arab population of Haifa was offered a written promise of full citizenship, and those who accepted that promise are still there.

Who left? People who listened to Jew hating trolls like you, who went about scaring everybody with scary stories of how horrible it would be under Jewish rule -- and then what -- how many Arabs in Haifa were harmed by the Jews after the Arab surrender? Around zero.

People like you are the true enemy of the Palestinian people, spreading lies and nonsense about Israel that results in a series of completely stupid decisions. Threads like this are part of the larger problem -- hate lies told by people like you that ultimately weave together into a completely false worldview that leads to completely wrong decision making by Palestinians.

You're the problem.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Needless to say this book caused a shit storm of controversy, just like when Jimmy Carter accuse Israel of being an apartheid state.

There's no need for me to denounce that book, since you already did that quite effectively in the final sentence of your post (quoted above).

 

[Moviefan-2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Major_Arab_localities

no it isn't, look where most of the arabs in Israel are today.. notice anythings Sherlock?

BTW nice avoidance of answering a simple moral question there..

You do realize that link crushes your bogus assertions about "ethnic cleansing."

Well played, sir.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Well yes of course they do, but in the context of being thrown of your lands and losing your property in a war and ending up in a shithole like Gaza with no escape, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL about Israel.

Yeah, it sucks to be on the losing end of a war. Most people learn to get over it, though.

As for Gaza being a "shit hole," you seem to have forgotten the Palestinians were provided with an historic opportunity in 2005 to create a vibrant economy in Gaza.

Rather than build a strong economy, they chose to build terror tunnels.

 

[nottyboi]

Another admission from notty that the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank are not the issue.

Of couse they are not "THE" issue. There is a whole long list of issues. Only a basketcase would make such a statement.

 

[nottyboi]

Yeah, it sucks to be on the losing end of a war. Most people learn to get over it, though.

As for Gaza being a "shit hole," you seem to have forgotten the Palestinians were provided with an historic opportunity in 2005 to create a vibrant economy in Gaza.

Rather than build a strong economy, they chose to build terror tunnels.

The were offered shit.

 

[fuji]

The were offered shit.

Actually, no, they were offered everything they say they want except for the destruction of Israel.

That continue to choose violence over peace.

 

[nottyboi]

In fact the Arab population of Haifa was offered a written promise of full citizenship, and those who accepted that promise are still there.

Who left? People who listened to Jew hating trolls like you, who went about scaring everybody with scary stories of how horrible it would be under Jewish rule -- and then what -- how many Arabs in Haifa were harmed by the Jews after the Arab surrender? Around zero.

People like you are the true enemy of the Palestinian people, spreading lies and nonsense about Israel that results in a series of completely stupid decisions. Threads like this are part of the larger problem -- hate lies told by people like you that ultimately weave together into a completely false worldview that leads to completely wrong decision making by Palestinians.

You're the problem.

61000 out of 64000 left, Jews demolished arab property and stole all other property that was abandoned when they fled. You lied and said they did not leave. Just another big fat FUJI LIE. Who knows what would have happened if they stayed with all the Israeli Paramilitary groups in that area. There could have been yet another massacre as had happened in the past. You keep claiming I lie, yet it is all there in black and white. You are the one spreading lies and propaganda. You don't consider destruction of property and theft to be harm? Wow, you must have a great upbringing. Israel has succeeded in deluding North America, but the rest of the world see though their lies.

 

[nottyboi]

You do realize that link crushes your bogus assertions about "ethnic cleansing."

Well played, sir.

No it does not, the job was not completed and some areas were ethnically cleansed. To say what you say would absolve Germany because there are still Jews living there.

 

[nottyboi]

Actually, no, they were offered everything they say they want except for the destruction of Israel.

That continue to choose violence over peace.

That is all hearsay because there was no written offer. There was also no US involvement or 3rd party guarantor and finally Israel launched an attack in the midst of negotiations :rofl: what a joke

 

[nottyboi]

In fact the Arab population of Haifa was offered a written promise of full citizenship, and those who accepted that promise are still there.

Who left? People who listened to Jew hating trolls like you, who went about scaring everybody with scary stories of how horrible it would be under Jewish rule -- and then what -- how many Arabs in Haifa were harmed by the Jews after the Arab surrender? Around zero.

People like you are the true enemy of the Palestinian people, spreading lies and nonsense about Israel that results in a series of completely stupid decisions. Threads like this are part of the larger problem -- hate lies told by people like you that ultimately weave together into a completely false worldview that leads to completely wrong decision making by Palestinians.

You're the problem.

Another point I want to make about this, they give written assurances and then they see the paramilitaries destroying the property of their former neighbors and ransacking their property with full govt authorization. So FUUUUUUJI if you were an Arab and you saw this happening WHAT THE FUCK would YOU think is gonna happen? Man your stupidity runneth over. :Eek:

 

[Moviefan-2]

No it does not, the job was not completed and some areas were ethnically cleansed. To say what you say would absolve Germany because there are still Jews living there.

I guess I missed the part where Israel sent millions of Arabs to the gas chambers.

But if you insist on using this idiotic analogy, let me point out something to you: Hitler and the Nazis lost the war.

Israel won its wars. Yet, Israel has a significant Arab population and there have been Arabs in the Knesset ever since the first elections in 1949.

The were offered shit.

Nonsense.

To try to advance the peace process, Israel ended its occupation in 2005 and also evacuated four settlements in the West Bank.

Soldiers and settlers were removed from Gaza. The borders were opened up to commerce. Three-thousand greenhouses were left behind and private donors raised millions of dollars to purchase the profitable greenhouses for the Palestinians. In fact, James Wolfensohn, the former president of the World Bank, contributed $500,000 of his own money towards the purchase of the greenhouses.

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas called it an historic and joyful day for his people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4235768.stm

Israel wanted the Palestinians in Gaza to succeed.

Unfortunately, rather than building a prosperous economy, the Palestinians built terror tunnels.

 

[basketcase]

I have no problem with that, but it is just comparing bad with worse. And if you think that buys you any moral high ground in this context, you are kidding yourself. And that is pretty much how the majority of the world sees it.

Yet you put huge amounts of energy into defending 'worse'.

And yes, from a moral view, kind of bad is a moral high ground over far worse.

 

[basketcase]

Israel never lost control over the border. I am not saying that, they just lost a battle in a war which they are winning.

As for ethnic cleansing, I think I will take the views of this Israeli historian over some guy that gets all his knowledge from movies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine


Needless to say this book caused a shit storm of controversy, just like when Jimmy Carter accuse Israel of being an apartheid state.

Pappe has admitted he is not a historian but rather a political commentator.

 

[basketcase]

Ahh so you agree they are not equal citizens, but as if the arabs in the territories have state power. And I think you know the enough the limits of policing you know you are tossing that out as an explanation because you do not have one.

All Israelis are subject to democracy, state power, and are policed.

 

[basketcase]

Well yes of course they do, but in the context of being thrown of your lands and losing your property in a war and ending up in a shithole like Gaza with no escape, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL about Israel.

I would be glad if my grandparents had chosen to accept peace in Israel instead of fleeing and I held Israeli citizenship. Gaza being a shithole is completely at the hands of Hamas. As I posted earlier, there a a few thousand Hamas millionaires (and a few billionaires) in Gaza. Obviously there is money there that could be used to the benefit of the people if Hamas wasn't investing it in death.

 

[basketcase]

Oh come on, the Nazi made lots of promises to the Jews as well. In the context of chaos, if their intentions were true they would have not slammed the door behind these people. As for contradicting my claim, I am not sure which claim you speak of, but clearly the pockets of Israeli Arabs had no escape route and were behind the lines of Israeli defense for the most part.

So you try to compare organized Nazi attempts to destroy Jewish people to Israel offering citizenship to any Arabs who chose to stay in peace. Jews in Germany were forbidden from leaving. Arabs were allowed to flee or stay and those who stayed got exactly what they were promised.

And Arabs who chose NOT to leave CHOSE not to leave and became citizens. Arabs that CHOSE to leave left. I know you believe Arabs have no ability to make decisions but that is what happened.

 

[basketcase]

Of couse they are not "THE" issue. There is a whole long list of issues. Only a basketcase would make such a statement.

Yes, THE issue is most Palestinian factions are more interested in personal wealth and destroying Israel than they are in building a state.