Why do pooners lie about their reason for hobbying?

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My two cents-

Men who are not vertically challenged have a competitive advantage. Men who are vertically challenged can still compete, but they have to work harder or they have to have something else going for themselves.

Years ago I saw a piece on TV, I think the show was 20/20, or a show like that. The experiment was, how much value do women put on a man's height? The short answer turned out to be lots. The setup was that the experimenters would show a picture and partial description of several decent looking and presentable men to a group of of single women. The women would look through the stack and then say if they would be willing to go on a date with any of the men. However, the info about the men was manipulated. The men who were described with a short stature were usually passed over. However, after each round of 'judging' by the women in the experiment, more details were added to each man's profile that made the man more desirable. ie: In the first round the women were told this man is 5'2" and has a degree. In the second round the description would add that the man also has a job with a professional designation. In the third round they'd be told he was a surgeon. Then, that he was head of surgery at a large hospital, etc....
After each round of disclosure the women would be asked again if they'd like to go on a date with this man.

The results were not encouraging for the short men. The shorter the man, the less likely the women would say yes to a date, even if the guy was eventually described to be practically perfect. A number of the women shamefully acknowledged their shallowness but still couldn't bring themselves to be with someone more vertically challenged than themselves.

I guess this is like the female version of the joke that tells of the guy who can't decide which of three women he should marry. He gives each one $5,000 and and tells them to use it any way they want. After one month, the women who makes the best use of the money will win his heart.
The first women said "I used the money to make a down payment on house where we can begin our lives together."
The second one said "I used the money to get cosmetic surgery to make myself more beautiful for you."
The third on said "I invested the money and tripled it in one month for us to start our nest egg."

And in the end, he married the one with the biggest tits.

The moral of the story is, some things, once they've been imprinted, will always pull us in a certain direction, whether or not it's right, fair, or even good for us. Overcoming such a bias would be difficult, at best.

But don't despair. There are plenty of women out there who value other things more than a man's random physical attributes.
 

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My two cents-

Men who are not vertically challenged have a competitive advantage. Men who are vertically challenged can still compete, but they have to work harder or they have to have something else going for themselves.

Years ago I saw a piece on TV, I think the show was 20/20, or a show like that. ......The results were not encouraging for the short men. The shorter the man, the less likely the women would say yes to a date, even if the guy was eventually described to be practically perfect. A number of the women shamefully acknowledged their shallowness but still couldn't bring themselves to be with someone more vertically challenged than themselves.
I'll see your two cents and add my three cents in agreement.

I believe women in general are just as shallow (if not more) as men in selecting lovers/ mates and that is - they base their selection on physical appearance. I believe that it is a primal female urge to select a mate that offers the best protection and muscular attributes of a good hunter. You can be charming, witty and a sensitive guy at the bar but if you are short and fat - you are not getting the hot girl. You will get a girl who has also missed out on her prime picks.

Part of the illusion of hope for short fat guys is the result of Hollywood spinning out countless films in which the hot chick realizes that the jock is bad and the nerd is a better catch but that is because they cater to the money nerds pay to see these type of movies. I also suggest that feminists who fight the advertising of beautiful women are hoping to change the grading system so the tall attractive guy will now look at her.
 
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I'll see your two cents and add my three cents in agreement.

I believe women in general are just as shallow (if not more) as men in selecting lovers/ mates and that is - they base their selection on physical appearance. I believe that it is a primal female urge to select a mate that offers the best protection and muscular attributes of a good hunter. You can be charming, witty and a sensitive guy at the bar but if you are short and fat - you are not getting the hot girl. You will get a girl who has also missed out on her prime picks.

Part of the illusion of hope for short fat guys is the result of Hollywood spinning out countless films in which the hot chick realizes that the jock is bad and the nerd is a better catch but that is because they cater to the money nerds pay to see these type of movies. I also suggest that feminists who fight the advertising of beautiful women are hoping to change the grading system so the tall attractive guy will now look at her.
YUPPER.... they are more shallow...... just be observant of couples in a shopping mall/ bar / nightclub. You will see WAY more average guys with a FAT mate than an average girl with a SHORT guy. ALSO agree that the " personality " " charm " of a SHORT Guy WILL win over the girl . Pure fantasy. You can read on countless chat board about these ' NICE " guys being FRIENDZONED due to height. MAYBE if he is crazy funny like Jim Carry or Russel Peters he will get dates . REALISTICALLY how many of any persons are that charming & funny. Extreem few.....that is why we go pay to hear these funny guys.
 

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YUPPER.... they are more shallow...... just be observant of couples in a shopping mall/ bar / nightclub. You will see WAY more average guys with a FAT mate than an average girl with a SHORT guy. ALSO agree that the " personality " " charm " of a SHORT Guy WILL win over the girl . Pure fantasy. You can read on countless chat board about these ' NICE " guys being FRIENDZONED due to height. MAYBE if he is crazy funny like Jim Carry or Russel Peters he will get dates . REALISTICALLY how many of any persons are that charming & funny. Extreem few.....that is why we go pay to hear these funny guys.
I thought we were moving past the height issue???
 

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I find it hilarious that the guys that are labeling women as shallow are the ones known to say they only see spinners or 9s and 10s. Fucking hypocrites.
 

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what's funniest is they're still convinced it's their height that's the issue. Reading these posts it's so evident there's much more to their issues than height. It's just a convenient excuse not to have to change their personalities. ;)
But it's so much easier to change the length of your legs than to change your personality. :cool:
 
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I ALREADY suggested moving on...... BUT as you see guys kept on the height topic. I just agreed to one such poster that they made a VERY good point about this PERSONALITY myth. I have heard WAAAYY too many girls pass over this or that " Nice " or " Great guy " due to looks & in particular complained about these guys short height .... & I don't mean midgets .... Like guys 5'4" to 5'8" .
 

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I find it hilarious that the guys that are labeling women as shallow are the ones known to say they only see spinners or 9s and 10s. Fucking hypocrites.
In fairness they are paying for it. Just as every SP has the right to pick their clients the hobbyist has just as much right to their preferences as well.

That being said too many guys put too much emphasis on looks for civilians for relationships. I love my SO, still love sex with her, but I'm with her so many other reasons. And when I'm 75 those will be the ones that count.

Oh. And I only see spinners........
 

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It is not that they have personal preference that I find flaw with, we all do on some level, it is their labeling women as shallow WHEN they themselves are being blatantly obnoxious about their own preferences AND generalizing women preferences that I have issue with.

In fairness they are paying for it. Just as every SP has the right to pick their clients the hobbyist has just as much right to their preferences as well.

That being said too many guys put too much emphasis on looks for civilians for relationships. I love my SO, still love sex with her, but I'm with her so many other reasons. And when I'm 75 those will be the ones that count.

Oh. And I only see spinners........
 

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But it is their height that is the problem, the height of their egos! Fucking Godzilla! :eyebrows:

what's funniest is they're still convinced it's their height that's the issue. Reading these posts it's so evident there's much more to their issues than height. It's just a convenient excuse not to have to change their personalities. ;)
 

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YUPPER.... they are more shallow...... just be observant of couples in a shopping mall/ bar / nightclub. You will see WAY more average guys with a FAT mate than an average girl with a SHORT guy. ALSO agree that the " personality " " charm " of a SHORT Guy WILL win over the girl . Pure fantasy. You can read on countless chat board about these ' NICE " guys being FRIENDZONED due to height. MAYBE if he is crazy funny like Jim Carry or Russel Peters he will get dates . REALISTICALLY how many of any persons are that charming & funny. Extreem few.....that is why we go pay to hear these funny guys.
There are all kinds of men on the internet with all kinds of neurosis, and I when one posts somewhere with a large membership, like reddit, those that share their opinion come crawling out of the woodwork. There are entire websites that prey on the insecurities of men and tell them how right they are, because you don't want to hear that it isn't your height that's holding you back. It absolutely isn't. Just read your posts here and replace "Short" with another adjective, then imagine it's coming from a woman and ask yourself if you'd be attracted to someone that's so insecure about themselves.

You're the one living the fantasy. There are a ton of short guys out there that are happily involved in relationships. You're making up excuses.

10 short guys get rejected while their only tall friend gets a handful of women, so they all decide it's because they're short. That's not proof of anything.

I guarantee you that your problem isn't height, it's your personality and/or how you approach women, but until you get over your insecurity, you'll never be able to move on. Seriously, for every short guys blaming it on being short, you'll find a woman that's dated a short guy and a short guy that's in a relationship. If some short guys have no problems being successful, your problem can't be shortness.
 

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I ALREADY suggested moving on...... BUT as you see guys kept on the height topic. I just agreed to one such poster that they made a VERY good point about this PERSONALITY myth. I have heard WAAAYY too many girls pass over this or that " Nice " or " Great guy " due to looks & in particular complained about these guys short height .... & I don't mean midgets .... Like guys 5'4" to 5'8" .
It's only a myth to those unwilling to accept that their personality is holding them back. Being "nice" won't get you women. I know lots of "nice guys" that finish last and I shake my head when they talk to women. Women don't want to date their brother, so why do you expect them to date guys that act like their brother? That's assuming the "nice guy" is actually nice. Most "nice guys" I know that can't get women aren't actually all that nice.
 

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I have heard WAAAYY too many girls pass over this or that " Nice " or " Great guy " due to looks & in particular complained about these guys short height .... & I don't mean midgets .... Like guys 5'4" to 5'8" .
I didn't want to post - again - but just couldn't restrain myself. I don't know where you are getting this nonsense from, but I have never heard about a women complaining about a guy being 'too short' at 5'8. So long as she herself is shorter than her (prospective) mate, I have hardly heard many women complain period. We are not livnig in Scandinavia where you perhaps do need to be 5'10+. This is Toronto; big difference.

Before you pounce, I'm well aware of my place in the hierarchy. I can assure you however that at 5'8, my height has never factored into attracting a mate and holding her attention (other reasons, perhaps, but height, no. Lol).

Get over this nonsense. This city is awash with women; those 5'8 and up are at the tail end of the distribution.
 

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I didn't want to post - again - but just couldn't restrain myself. I don't know where you are getting this nonsense from, but I have never heard about a women complaining about a guy being 'too short' at 5'8. So long as she herself is shorter than her (prospective) mate, I have hardly heard many women complain period. We are not livnig in Scandinavia where you perhaps do need to be 5'10+. This is Toronto; big difference.

Before you pounce, I'm well aware of my place in the hierarchy. I can assure you however that at 5'8, my height has never factored into attracting a mate and holding her attention (other reasons, perhaps, but height, no. Lol).

Get over this nonsense. This city is awash with women; those 5'8 and up are at the tail end of the distribution.
Really? Sorry but torontos finest post does have some truth to it.
 

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Please. Every other guy has stated otherwise.
Please what ?? Most women prefer taller men in general it's a fact. Not everyone but most.
And your surprised by this? Height isn't everything but its something women take notice of. It's
an attractive physical trait for a male. Of course character, personality,confidence are what keep a women interested. Height alone is nothing.
 

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Please what ?? Most women prefer taller men in general it's a fact. Not everyone but most.
And your surprised by this? Height isn't everything but its something women take notice of. It's
an attractive physical trait for a male.
Sweetheart, thanks for enlightening me, but wasn't born yesterday.

Of course character, personality,confidence are what keep a women interested. Height alone is nothing
Congratulations, you just made our (collective) point.
 
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