Maybe you'll think differently when you find yourself on the wrong side of the law.
new prostitution bill by spring
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Not knowing how the system works in Canada if they introduce a bill such as Nordic model if contested do they have long fight over even bringing it to a vote like in the U.S.? (has to pass out of committees and the Speaker has to call for a vote).
If passes assume an action can be brought in Court to challenge it (In the U.S. a declaratory action in U.S. District Court), and hopefully a stay (delay) in any enforcement while challenged. Then in about 5 more years might get heard after appeals by either side up to the Supreme Court like the old law that reversed the prostitution laws based on harm reduction.
Any new restrictive law assume would be challenged and a long process so no changes probably for years.
With all this it seems a minor issues as for decades the law was really no big issue for most. If we don't care about street solicitation and agencies have no problems since they sell time not sex (with drivers etc), and incall bawdy rarely enforced at least in most cities seems no big change with latest Supreme Court ruling. Bawdy is probably the most concerned. Of course outcall never an issue.
Seems extreme and against the "harm reduction" rulings of your Superior and Supreme Courts to go to a Nordic model which may have more risk of harm than the old law. The anti commercial sex extremists have their time to be vocal but seems unlikely in my foreigner view to pass the Charter of Rights protections you have.
In the U.S. it is very different with the sham of child and sex trafficking constantly passing more laws to make it easier to end all commercial sex. This is backed by $millions from groups including almost limitless funds from the Hunt Sisters (oil) and funding sham studies that the ave age of entry is 14 and any women that goes into sex work has been sexually abused as a child, or has a pimp or some such nonsense. But its winning in the U.S. with more and more gals going to jail or prison for our "pursuit of happiness".
If passes assume an action can be brought in Court to challenge it (In the U.S. a declaratory action in U.S. District Court), and hopefully a stay (delay) in any enforcement while challenged. Then in about 5 more years might get heard after appeals by either side up to the Supreme Court like the old law that reversed the prostitution laws based on harm reduction.
Any new restrictive law assume would be challenged and a long process so no changes probably for years.
With all this it seems a minor issues as for decades the law was really no big issue for most. If we don't care about street solicitation and agencies have no problems since they sell time not sex (with drivers etc), and incall bawdy rarely enforced at least in most cities seems no big change with latest Supreme Court ruling. Bawdy is probably the most concerned. Of course outcall never an issue.
Seems extreme and against the "harm reduction" rulings of your Superior and Supreme Courts to go to a Nordic model which may have more risk of harm than the old law. The anti commercial sex extremists have their time to be vocal but seems unlikely in my foreigner view to pass the Charter of Rights protections you have.
In the U.S. it is very different with the sham of child and sex trafficking constantly passing more laws to make it easier to end all commercial sex. This is backed by $millions from groups including almost limitless funds from the Hunt Sisters (oil) and funding sham studies that the ave age of entry is 14 and any women that goes into sex work has been sexually abused as a child, or has a pimp or some such nonsense. But its winning in the U.S. with more and more gals going to jail or prison for our "pursuit of happiness".
I'm already a very careful bunny when I hobby. A very very careful bunny. I have regular part-timer on the go right now and more go to's when I need to. I won't be TOFFTing BP. If neccessary I'll stick to the agencies.Maybe you'll think differently when you find yourself on the wrong side of the law.
It will change a lot less than you think. There won't be large squads of flack-jacketed swats storming down doors. A bit of paranoia will go a long way.
Even the scammers won't have a leg to stand on. Unless they have your personal info(and I won't be giving ANY out) they would have to rely on muscle. And are just as liable to police. So won't do anything either to get themselves arrested.
All people have to do is stay away from schetchy and it will be fine.
This is what happens in Phoenix - army like SWAT attacks even with single high priced escorts. And makes great TV when attack a strip club (Lace last month) or massage places (many now face criminal enterprise felonies with potentially years in prison now in Court).There won't be large squads of flack-jacketed swats storming down doors.
Your issues in Canada are minor compared to the U.S. (but still of concern of course!)
Point well taken, but with the Conservatives having a majority government, they can ram through any law they choose - even if it's unconstitutional. That is, they likely know the Nordic model would be challenged. However, it would taker some time to wind its way through the judicial system yet again. In the meantime, the cons get what they want while at the same time appeasing their base. E.g. (to be seen doing something and adhering to their "tough on crime" motto.)Not knowing how the system works in Canada if they introduce a bill such as Nordic model if contested do they have long fight over even bringing it to a vote like in the U.S.? (has to pass out of committees and the Speaker has to call for a vote).
If passes assume an action can be brought in Court to challenge it (In the U.S. a declaratory action in U.S. District Court), and hopefully a stay (delay) in any enforcement while challenged. Then in about 5 more years might get heard after appeals by either side up to the Supreme Court like the old law that reversed the prostitution laws based on harm reduction.
Any new restrictive law assume would be challenged and a long process so no changes probably for years.
With all this it seems a minor issues as for decades the law was really no big issue for most. If we don't care about street solicitation and agencies have no problems since they sell time not sex (with drivers etc), and incall bawdy rarely enforced at least in most cities seems no big change with latest Supreme Court ruling. Bawdy is probably the most concerned. Of course outcall never an issue.
Seems extreme and against the "harm reduction" rulings of your Superior and Supreme Courts to go to a Nordic model which may have more risk of harm than the old law. The anti commercial sex extremists have their time to be vocal but seems unlikely in my foreigner view to pass the Charter of Rights protections you have.
In the U.S. it is very different with the sham of child and sex trafficking constantly passing more laws to make it easier to end all commercial sex. This is backed by $millions from groups including almost limitless funds from the Hunt Sisters (oil) and funding sham studies that the ave age of entry is 14 and any women that goes into sex work has been sexually abused as a child, or has a pimp or some such nonsense. But its winning in the U.S. with more and more gals going to jail or prison for our "pursuit of happiness".
Hobby Phone. So a # appears but no name. Simple. I give them my "Hobby Name" simple. I stick to recognized providers. If I sniff anything wrong I'm out.
It won't be much of an issue I would imagine. I'll probably stick to my go to's for about 6 months at least before looking elsewhere. I'm sure the ladies with also be looking for business so will be very understanding. Its going to shift things obviously. But the ADULTS will work it out between us without the need of the gov't I'm sure.
It won't be much of an issue I would imagine. I'll probably stick to my go to's for about 6 months at least before looking elsewhere. I'm sure the ladies with also be looking for business so will be very understanding. Its going to shift things obviously. But the ADULTS will work it out between us without the need of the gov't I'm sure.
Being as well reviewed as you are I think you may actually look forward to an increase in business from a lot of scared little bunnies..........the sky is falling !!!! the sky is falling !!!! the sky is falling !!!!
lmfao ....
Well as for the hobby phone...that's the way it works now. Lots of people have pay as you go phones. So really the ladies aren't in any "more" danger than now are they?So the hobby phone won't disclose any info about you when it displays the number when you call?? So why they asked for unblocked calls if a hobby phone won't reveal any info about who is calling or is untraceable? Then it is as unsafe as a blocked call!!!!! Lol as I said for most of hobbyists the price to pay is too high to go with what you imagine as you say.
You just admitted that The Nordic model will then seriously jeopardize the safety of sex workers based on what you said (hiding your personal info when calling and I am sure many other would do same including many bad and violent clients). THEN WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR A REGIME WHO HAS NO INTERETS IN PROTECTING THE SAFETY OF ITS CITIZENS ESPECIALLY THE SEX WORKERS overwhelmingly women??
As for voting for a "regime"(funny that term, makes them sound like a dictatorship. I'm sure its just an error on your part though, right?), as I stated earlier I have much better thoughts when voting in a gov't than the hobby. Of course I want the ladies to be safe. I also wish people wouldn't speed past the streetcar I'm getting off. Do I need to explain the concept of no guarantees in life to you?
You really are panicking here. There won't be roving hoards of SP rapists and robbers added to the mix. They will always exist as its a cash business with vulnerable women. Nor will there be monster stings. My bet is it won't be worth it to the cops.
The boards will become a mainstay now I bet. Those of us with a presense will have it easier as a secondary check for them if they want it. And the hobbyists will benefit as well.
But man, for a guy who has quit the hobby you sure are obsessed with what's next!
And yet you support a state nanny that wants to regulate your sexual behavior.But the ADULTS will work it out between us without the need of the gov't I'm sure.
Yup. Thank god I actually consider this a hobby and not a lifestyle choice. Its been illegal. In many ways over the centuries, and yet it continues, and adapts. I have a feeling, as I said before, that the Adults will be just fine after a little dancing to the new tune. Its just the opening steps that will change.to be honest I'm concerned only for the safety of the ladies and gents involved in the industry. I've got some contingency plans that make me confident that I will be just fine, whatever the new laws may be.
The wild speculation and resulting hysteria is kinda ridiculous... no?
No I don't Fugi. But I make a Adult decision that there are greater priorities than my fucky-fucky time. Part of democracy is that sometimes things will happen I don't like, rolled in with many I do like. I can live with the trade-off.And yet you support a state nanny that wants to regulate your sexual behavior.
And again. Junior and Munclair would, in my opinion have done the exact same thing. Albet for different reasons. It was lefty Euros that brought in the model in the first place, why would they be any different?
Have any of the other 2 leaders, or any senior MP's spoken out against this? Anyone........
Thought so........
There is one thing that you can do if you do not like the new law. And that is not to vote conservative in the next federal election. Make them pay the ultimate price for passing a stupid law.
To what end? The other parties won't repeal it. If you decide to not vote for them on the basis of your political beliefs or issues like the economy management, trust, international policy etc that's great. You've taken the time to make a balanced informed decision.There is one thing that you can do if you do not like the new law. And that is not to vote conservative in the next federal election. Make them pay the ultimate price for passing a stupid law.
But one issue? And this one.......I would consider that the ultimate case of thinking with the little head rather than the big one.
Check the classified review section to see how that usually works out......
Its your opinion that it will substansially increase the danger. I don't agree with you. Perhaps you can show some stats where the incidence of dangerous situations has increased in countries where it has been enacted?
And you don't even know exactly what the law will be yet. Its all been speculation. This wouldn't be the first time a proposed law has been modified and or dropped. This gov't has actually listened to public opinion and opposition views more than once to temper stances. This may well be the reason for the delay. If something doesn't come up soon the legislature will be done for the summer. I have a feeling their stance is being modified in light of the mood of the nation on this.
Ask yourself this. If the Conservatives do nothing, or only enact laws strengthening going after human trafficking, leaving the SP's and Hobbyists free, does that mean your vote will automatically go to them? If this happens and the Liberals and NDP oppose NOT enacting a Nordic model, what then? CP and Fugi?
Or are you like me and it is only one factor in how you place your vote?
And you don't even know exactly what the law will be yet. Its all been speculation. This wouldn't be the first time a proposed law has been modified and or dropped. This gov't has actually listened to public opinion and opposition views more than once to temper stances. This may well be the reason for the delay. If something doesn't come up soon the legislature will be done for the summer. I have a feeling their stance is being modified in light of the mood of the nation on this.
Ask yourself this. If the Conservatives do nothing, or only enact laws strengthening going after human trafficking, leaving the SP's and Hobbyists free, does that mean your vote will automatically go to them? If this happens and the Liberals and NDP oppose NOT enacting a Nordic model, what then? CP and Fugi?
Or are you like me and it is only one factor in how you place your vote?
Very curious too. Anyone know how much longer until Parliment is done for the summer?Only one month left in spring...any news on the new laws being enacted?
Parliament is done on June 20, but they can extend that date if they wantVery curious too. Anyone know how much longer until Parliment is done for the summer?
I'm honoured to be the recipient of one of your 2.2 posts per year. Thanks for the info!Parliament is done on June 20, but they can extend that date if they want
CP. Do you not think the bad clients are already using pay as you go cells?!? Do you think they are giving their names now?!? Really? Think about it. Bad clients exist because bad people exist. That's life.
And I give more credit to the ladies for how tough they are, even just to be in this game. Some of your posts are coming off as a bit paternalistic in my opinion. You're coming off as one of those white knights who think they need to be "saved", presumably by men. They are making, for the most part, a choice. Sometimes a tough one, but its still a choice. Give them enough credit for their intelligence and toughness to adapt to new circumstances.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to mess with them.......
And I give more credit to the ladies for how tough they are, even just to be in this game. Some of your posts are coming off as a bit paternalistic in my opinion. You're coming off as one of those white knights who think they need to be "saved", presumably by men. They are making, for the most part, a choice. Sometimes a tough one, but its still a choice. Give them enough credit for their intelligence and toughness to adapt to new circumstances.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to mess with them.......
Its your opinion that it will substansially increase the danger. I don't agree with you. Perhaps you can show some stats where the incidence of dangerous situations has increased in countries where it has been enacted?
And you don't even know exactly what the law will be yet. Its all been speculation. This wouldn't be the first time a proposed law has been modified and or dropped. This gov't has actually listened to public opinion and opposition views more than once to temper stances. This may well be the reason for the delay. If something doesn't come up soon the legislature will be done for the summer. I have a feeling their stance is being modified in light of the mood of the nation on this.
Ask yourself this. If the Conservatives do nothing, or only enact laws strengthening going after human trafficking, leaving the SP's and Hobbyists free, does that mean your vote will automatically go to them? If this happens and the Liberals and NDP oppose NOT enacting a Nordic model, what then? CP and Fugi?
Or are you like me and it is only one factor in how you place your vote?
Well for one thing, no matter who you vote for, there will always be back peddling, scandals etc.. It's been part of government throughout history. I doubt much would change regardless of who was in power - HOWEVER... This government is the ONLY one who has dabbled with the idea of making MY preferred method of hobbying ILLEGAL. For that, they should pay the ultimate price.
