new prostitution bill by spring
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I written to my mp, tried to get my voice heard, I did the surveys, signed the petition, participated in every poll, There isn't anymore i can do at this point. It is in their hands now. If Mackay was proposing Nodic-like legislation, I don't see why he wouldn't just come out and say it instead of just delaying the inevitable. All he said was that it was going to be a "uniquely Canadian" solution which I kind of agree with. It's about finding something that will work for Canada rather then just copying other countries. There is no one size fits all solution because the issue of prostitution is very complex but we really have no idea what he is planning. The police can't agree on what direction to go that tells me that there at least isn't the same bias there was in Sweden when new laws were introduced. I read something like 80% were in favor of the Swedish Model. In Canada we at least have diversity in opinions. The Nordic model here is getting much more resistance and scrutiny It shows that Canadians (at least not all of them) have not gotton their minds poisoned by radical feminist doctrine. We arent a bunch of emasculated maginas who act like being a man is a crime. In Sweden the feminist movement is like the Nazi Party, those people are insane some going as far as advocating murder and they have taken over the Swedish government. We are not at that point.
I am always careful when I hobby, I only see well reviewed reputable providers, I stay away from backpage and criagslist, I don't cruise the streets in my car looking for streetwalkers to pick up, and when I book with an sp I never mention anything about sexual services. I am as discret as anyone can be in this hobby. I just hope that will be enough.
but honesly, whatever Mackay is planning.. ANYTHING is better then the Nordic model, ANYTHING.
I am always careful when I hobby, I only see well reviewed reputable providers, I stay away from backpage and criagslist, I don't cruise the streets in my car looking for streetwalkers to pick up, and when I book with an sp I never mention anything about sexual services. I am as discret as anyone can be in this hobby. I just hope that will be enough.
but honesly, whatever Mackay is planning.. ANYTHING is better then the Nordic model, ANYTHING.
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I really don't see this happening. Surely these kinds of laws would also be struck down... They still force women underground to pursue a totally legal profession..
I think they'll increase sentences for human trafficking and then they'll leave it up to each municipality to figure out where to put the brothels..
I really hope we start to get brothels here... Brothels allow for more interesting and exciting sex options.. You can have themed rooms, orgy nights, massages that end with a BBBJ rather than simply a hand job, movie nights (getting blown while watching a porno in a small theatre).... I gotta go back to Germany soon.
They may well be struck down, but they can also be enacted and it will be another 5-7 year cycle. I don't want to wait.
The "forcing women underground" argument is fallacious. The ostensibly endangered party (SPs) would not be the ones who are subject to criminal prosecution under an anti-john law. The commercial transaction would itself become; there is not charter right to practice a particular profession.
The CPC has already said that they won't leave a matter so important as prostitution to municipalities. (But then again, I'm not sure how they can/will address the "community standards" thing.)
You need to go check out some local rub n tugs, brother.....
Well, you MIGHT be right. We'll see.
A couple of points:
Yes, the party went Nordic, but that was before the Supremes ruled. And of course Peter can deviate from party policy - the Members of Parlament are elected by the people, the party members are not. The party made a recommendation, they can't make law. Perhaps Peter will follow them, but he doesn't have to. I think that he will remember that the electorate is a factor, as they do want to win the next election.
Joy Smith has nothing on Peter MacKay - he couldn't care less what she thinks. He may end up agreeing with her, but it won't be because she throws her weight around. She has no standing outside her circle of enablers.
If they make selling sex illegal, that isn't closing a loophole in the Nordic model, they would actually be going entirely against it. The Nordic model pretends to help women by not charging them. The Cons definitely don't want to be seen to be "revictimising" women. Keeping the women on the legal side is the whole point of the Nordic model.
And from what I can tell, NO ONE but the very extreme are even talking about making prostitution totally illegal. If they go that way, they look like victorian era simpletons. That isn't what they want going into an election, and they know it. And it would also bring all the problems the Supremes pointed out back into focus, and this time, they would be center stage in causing them.
Of course, they might well go really draconian. Then they end up in court again. I think that it would happen fairly fast. It wouldn't get to the Supremes right away, but Ontario could do what it did last time again, and the whole question is up for more discussion pretty quickly. They know that. Do they want to go there?
I must say, some folks seem totally convinced that all the worst will definitely happen. The laws will make it all illegal. and they will be caught right away. And they won't fight it. They'll get a whopping big jail sentence, their life will be ruined... Life must be hard if you're that pessimistic.
I don't see my sort of hobbying being affected much, even if the Nordic model is established here. For those who want to troll the dark corners looking for the cheapest easiest blowjob, maybe that will be a little more dangerous... but it is dangerous anyway, and it is the sort of thing I don't want anything to do with. I pay good money, I book with excellent agencies, I see classy women who are in the work because they like it and they are good at it. Are they ever going to be able to stop me from paying a lovely woman for the gift of her company? I don't think so.
and yet only a week ago it was reported that the police can't reach a definitive consensus because there are too many differing points of view now all of a sudden the majority of them favor the Nordic model so which one is it guys?
Seriously, if you use backpage you are asking for trouble regardless of the legality if she does not have any reviews, You have no idea what you are getting yourself into even if it's not a sting operation, It could be a scam, you could get robbed, get terrible service, Only stick with sps who are verified on review sites like this. No reviews? forget it.
Seriously, if you use backpage you are asking for trouble regardless of the legality if she does not have any reviews, You have no idea what you are getting yourself into even if it's not a sting operation, It could be a scam, you could get robbed, get terrible service, Only stick with sps who are verified on review sites like this. No reviews? forget it.
latest from the CBC
Justice Minister Peter MacKay says he will introduce new prostitution legislation this spring that aims to protect and help those who've been forced into the sex trade.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peter-mackay-promises-new-prostitution-bill-before-summer-1.2601014
looks like Mckay's bill will go after forced trafficking
Justice Minister Peter MacKay says he will introduce new prostitution legislation this spring that aims to protect and help those who've been forced into the sex trade.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peter-mackay-promises-new-prostitution-bill-before-summer-1.2601014
looks like Mckay's bill will go after forced trafficking
Who knows what MacKay is thinking. But if he were to ask me, I would advise him to be careful for pragmatic reasons.
From Elliot Spitzer to Bruce Carson and Jack Layton, you can be certain the sex trade appeals to people in power. Going overboard with a tough on crime approach might lead to embarrassments that will be like the Senate scandal all over again.
From Elliot Spitzer to Bruce Carson and Jack Layton, you can be certain the sex trade appeals to people in power. Going overboard with a tough on crime approach might lead to embarrassments that will be like the Senate scandal all over again.
What MacKay actually said was that a bill would be introduced by summer. That would mean sometime during this Spring session. It will probably be no earlier than May. It generally takes a bill about 100 sitting days from the time it is introduced into the House until it passes Royal Ascent. They will have trouble getting anything passed by the Dec. 20th deadline. If the bill is particularly controversial it could take considerably longer than this, and could even be withdrawn.
I'm heartened by the fact that afterwards MacKay was asked point blank about the Nordic model and if you can decipher his politician's weasel talk he pretty much said it's not on.
He also said that passing a new law was like passing a legislative thread through the eye of a needle. So, we can expect a bill that will directly address the Supreme Court decision. It will be narrowly focused and no broad sweeping legislation. The government is also aware that it will have to be able to pass a Charter challenge or it ends up in the Supreme Court. No government wants to waste time and resources passing a law that will be struck down in the courts.
He has also said that a number of other Criminal Code provisions remain in place to protect those engaged in prostitution and other vulnerable persons, including procuring offences, child prostitution offences, and human trafficking offences. He said the same thing to me in response to a letter I sent.
So, I think once the dust settles, it will be a narrowly focused law that will allow most of us hobbyists to continue on with our favourite passtime, without fear or worry.
I'm heartened by the fact that afterwards MacKay was asked point blank about the Nordic model and if you can decipher his politician's weasel talk he pretty much said it's not on.
He also said that passing a new law was like passing a legislative thread through the eye of a needle. So, we can expect a bill that will directly address the Supreme Court decision. It will be narrowly focused and no broad sweeping legislation. The government is also aware that it will have to be able to pass a Charter challenge or it ends up in the Supreme Court. No government wants to waste time and resources passing a law that will be struck down in the courts.
He has also said that a number of other Criminal Code provisions remain in place to protect those engaged in prostitution and other vulnerable persons, including procuring offences, child prostitution offences, and human trafficking offences. He said the same thing to me in response to a letter I sent.
So, I think once the dust settles, it will be a narrowly focused law that will allow most of us hobbyists to continue on with our favourite passtime, without fear or worry.
Enjoy it while it lasts boys. I cant wait to tell my grandkids when im old we used to fuck ho's for $60 that advertised on terb.
I don't think the "threading a needle" quote was referring to the legislative process. I took it to mean that he is trying to narrow down the right approach from a wide range of opinions.
Nope. When I'm choosing who is to be representing me I have far more real issues I worry about than whether or not I can poon.
Do you really think that this should affect me rather than the competance of Junior and Minclair to run the country? I'd like to think the members here have a bit more intelligence than this......
Actually I think this is one of the few cases where what the government does will really affect you. The rest of their policies, it is pretty hard to find that government policy has that much impact. Our economy, for example, is dominated by the world economy, not government policy.
At least not for the slight differences between the Conservatives and the NDP. (if that seems strange to you, consider that the entire Canadian political spectrum is narrow relative to the policies of other governments around the world).
In my case the hobbying is sporatic at this time. And only with reviewed agency ladies and a few partimers. Heck I hobby in Vegas without issues.
I expect if the worst comes down to take a break (I'm not that invested) and see how LE plays out with this. I expect that the agencies will be the way to go along with good indies until either a second court challenge goes through or LE chooses not to "sting" as a waste of resourses.
But either way this is of minor consideration when it comes time to elect the party that will run the federal gov't.
