In Lebanon in particular a major political motivation for the two tier system is concern about giving votes to Sunni Muslims. Both the Maronite Christians and the Shia Lebanese resist giving any status to Sunni Palestinians largely due to their religion.Their behaviour is amoral but it is not based on race.
Tell that to the UNRWA.You are wrong.
As usual you don't even seem to read what you link.
Actually that is what the definition of apartheid is. You trying to misuse the memory of apartheid is just as bad as grog....
You could argue that apartheid can only ever be on the basis of race, but discrimination based on religion, ethnicity, and national origin are just as abusive.
You are a self loathing anti semite lol.....As a recovering observant Jew who now sees all humans as members of one species it seems so odd to watch you all battling over which myths and which tribe is correct. How tribal. Y don't we have a terb israel vs Palestine party where we can all bring weapons and Duke it out.
The Israelis don't want peace. They want land, power and influence. The Palestinians don't want peace yet. They want their country back and they want revenge.
But speaking of apartheid...... How is it possible that a European or North American jew can move to Israel and get automatic citizenship when they have no actual verifiable lineage to the country and yet an Arab who's family may actually have the deed to the land can't move to Israel, and reclaim his land. How is it possible that jews can build settlements in the west bank but Arabs can not. How is it that jews can travel freely throughout the west bank on modern paid roads but Arabs are quarantined to their villages at the whim of teenage Jewish soldiers. How is it that if a Jew in the west bank breaks the law he is protected by Israeli law and if an Arab breaks the law in the west bank he can be arrested indefinitely without protection of the law or due process. Has any one ever looked at the map of Israel since the 1948 UN vote on independence. The Jewish territory keeps getting bigger and bigger and the Arab territory is almost gone. Has anyone ever examined the casualties of the conflicts between these two tribes over the last 50 years. The Arabs suffer huge casualties as compared to the jews. And don't even get me started on the unfair advantage in weapons the jews have over the Arabs.
If u were not a member of the Jewish tribe or their allies how would any of this seem just or fare???
Show me where UNRWA disputes that Syria and Lebanon have denied citizenship to Palestinians born I those countries. Show me where UNRWA disputes that the PA denies status to this born in the camps.Tell that to the UNRWA.
http://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees
What name do you want to give to a system that is identical to apartheid in every way, but discriminates on the basis of religion or ethnicity rather than race?Actually that is what the definition of apartheid is. You trying to misuse the memory of apartheid is just as bad as grog.
Sorry but Palestinians in camps are the same religions and same ethnicity as Palestinians not in camps, the same religion and ethnicity as many in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel. Want to call it something? Try political immorality.What name do you want to give to a system that is identical to apartheid in every way, but discriminates on the basis of religion or ethnicity rather than race?
How about "religious apartheid" or , "ethnic apartheid"?
Fixed your post.You have yet to condemn the abusive, unethical second class status that Israelis impose on Palestinians.
There are not many Palestinians in Lebanon other than those living in camps. In many racist systems, racism is not based explicitly on race but on markers that closely track race. In the deep south at the height of slavery there were free black men. Would you argue that slavery was not targeted at blacks? There was nothing in the laws that said it was, but the slaves were mostly blacks, and blacks in the South were mostly slaves. This is true of the Palestinians in Lebanon. Not all Palestinians in Lebanon live in the camps, there are a few who are free. But everyone who is denied citizenship under the camp system is Palestinian, and most of the Palestinians live in those camps.Sorry but Palestinians in camps are the same religions and same ethnicity as Palestinians not in camps, the same religion and ethnicity as many in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel. Want to call it something? Try political immorality.
No you didn't, you ran away from my post like a scared little girl. Instead of discussing the issue of abuse of Palestinians by Lebanese, Syrians, and the PA, you went full weasel and just blatantly tried to ignore the subject and change the topic.Fixed your post.
Lets be clear here, you are off topic and trying to take this thread off topic to avoid discussing Israeli Apartheid policy.No you didn't, you ran away from my post like a scared little girl. Instead of discussing the issue of abuse of Palestinians by Lebanese, Syrians, and the PA, you went full weasel and just blatantly tried to ignore the subject and change the topic.
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Meanwhile.. the Israelis sit on the lands stolen from these people......Show me where UNRWA disputes that Syria and Lebanon have denied citizenship to Palestinians born I those countries. Show me where UNRWA disputes that the PA denies status to this born in the camps.
You were flat out wrong, there are indeed two tiers, Palestinians with and without status.
You have yet to condemn the abusive, unethical second class status that Arabs impose on Palestinians.
Israel doesn't have an apartheid policy. The two articles you cited, the statements from Kerry and the statements from Burman, both said that Israel is not an apartheid state and does not want to be an apartheid state.Lets be clear here, you are off topic and trying to take this thread off topic to avoid discussing Israeli Apartheid policy.
And here's another fellow who can't bring himself to discuss the persecution of Palestinians in Lebanon, persecution that Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with.Meanwhile.. the Israelis sit on the lands stolen from these people......
The articles and quote I've provided by South Africans show that the believe Israel is apartheid.Israel doesn't have an apartheid policy. The two articles you cited, the statements from Kerry and the statements from Burman, both said that Israel is not an apartheid state and does not want to be an apartheid state.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Desmond-Tutu-Israel-guilty-of-apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874Desmond Tutu: Israel guilty of apartheid in treatment of Palestinians
Desmond Tutu, the noted civil rights leader who became the first black archbishop of Cape Town, compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to the apartheid regime that discriminated against blacks in his native South Africa.
Tutu, the Nobel Peace laureate, told News24, a South African media entity, criticized Israeli policies toward the Palestinians in the territories as "humiliating."
"I have witnessed the systemic humiliation of Palestinian men, women and children by members of the Israeli security forces," he said in a statement.
"Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the apartheid government."
Observers in South Africa are preparing to mark "Israeli Apartheid Week" on Monday. Tutu, meanwhile, has declared his support for the use of boycotts and economic sanctions as a means to compel Israel to alter its policies.
"In South Africa, we could not have achieved our democracy without the help of people around the world, who through the use of non-violent means, such as boycotts and divestment, encouraged their governments and other corporate actors to reverse decades-long support for the apartheid regime," he told News24.
"The same issues of inequality and injustice today motivate the divestment movement trying to end Israel's decades-long occupation of Palestinian territory and the unfair and prejudicial treatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government ruling over them."
"'Those who turn a blind eye to injustice actually perpetuate injustice. If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor," Tutu said.
"It doesn't matter where we worship or live. We are members of one family, the human family, God's family."
Groggy running away like a girl from this, back to his hate lies, lying about what the UN has said.Meanwhile the discrimination inflicted on Palestinians by Lebanese, Syrians, and the PA is very, very fucking real and YOU CAN'T FACE IT. The topic fucking terrifies you, you wriggle squirm and flail around trying to get away from discussing it. In EVERY SINGLE post you have refused to discuss the topic and instead tried to discuss Israel.
Really, I quote the UN, Israeli polls and Desmond Tutu and then you accuse me of hate?Groggy running away like a girl from this, back to his hate lies, lying about what the UN has said.
You are transparent and shallow with your hate, Groggy. YOU DON'T CARE whether Palestinians suffer abuse. YOU DON'T CARE if they are systematically victimized.
Don't bother posting any further about mistreatment of a Palestinians, if you gave a shit you would care about the real, daily abuse they face in Lebanon and Syria.
Your comments are hollow and your criticism is meaningless, it is clear you are only interested in hate, not facts, and certainly not interested in the wellbeing of Palestinians. Just as you did not give a shit about Syrian civilians.
All you have is a diseased, seething hated.
The state of Israel that has caused - and continues to cause - massive forced displacement of Palestinians,
is a state that has failed to meet its protection obligations.
The state of Israel has displaced and dispossessed the majority of the Palestinian population over a period
of more than six decades. Therefore, Israel, by definition, is not providing Palestinians with the protection
required by international law. Israel’s legal obligations apply in the entire territory over which it has
sovereignty or exercises jurisdiction, that is, Israel and the oPt. In the oPt, the Palestinian Authority (PA)
has protection responsibilities towards the Palestinian population but its ability to protect is constrained
by the Israeli Occupying Power, which exercises effective control over both the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip.15
The right to return of all Palestinian refugees and IDPs is guaranteed in three main bodies of international
law: the law of nationality as applied upon state succession; humanitarian law, and human rights law,
including customary refugee law.18
And they support the UNRWA and the continuation of the refugee camps until Israel fulfills their legal and moral obligations.Although Israel is the primary party obliged to provide humanitarian assistance to the Palestinian population
in Israel and the oPt, under the Fourth Geneva Convention, its policies have been the primary cause of
the population’s acute vulnerability. Israel has employed limited assistance to Palestinian IDPs within its
state borders as a political tool aimed at silencing claims for reparations, including return and housing and
property restitution. In the oPt, Israel has deliberately obstructed the work of humanitarian personnel in
the oPt, and used crippling blockades and repeated military assaults to devastate Palestinian communities,
including refugees and IDPs. These measures aim to exert humanitarian pressure upon Palestinians to
renounce their legitimate human rights, including the right to return, self-determination and the right to
political representation.
About three quarters of surveyed refugees agree on the important role that UNRWA has played. Although
about 8 in every 10 refugees feel that UNRWA’s services have decreased over the last three years,
(88%) still feel that UNRWA plays an important role in sustaining the case of Palestinian refugees
and thus feel that cessation of UNRWA’s services or abolition of UNRWA would harm their condition.
No you didn't. You DID NOT quote the UN. Yoy a lying as usual, there is no UN resolution, no statement from the UNGA or UNSC. You at a pathological liar.Really, I quote the UN,
I quoted the official report by the Rapporteur for Israel, as released by the UN.No you didn't. You DID NOT quote the UN. Yoy a lying as usual, there is no UN resolution, no statement from the UNGA or UNSC. You at a pathological liar.
I gave you the report and poll on Palestinians and by Palestinians, its you that has no idea what they care about or what they see as the issues or the cause of the issues.You also don't care about Palestinians, it is all smoke. You could care less if they suffer. You don't give a shit whether they are subjected to abuse, whether they suffer, whether that experience apartheid conditions.
