Apartheid analogy common among Israel's left

groggy

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Falk is not the UN. .
Of course not, he's hired to investigate on human rights issues and release official reports.
Which is why its correct to say that the UN has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.

Like every single investigation and report on the matter by legit sources, they have also found Israel to be apartheid.

Now that the peace talks are done, you are left backing an apartheid state that has the same world popularity as North Korea and Iran.
Congrats on the weapons sales to China, that ought to really help their moral position.
 

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Of course not, he's hired to investigate on human rights issues and release official reports.
Which is why its correct to say that the UN has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.
No, because he is not the UN and his findings are not the views of the UN. The UN would have to endorse the findings for you to be able to say that, and they have not endorsed them.

Why don't you just stop with the lying and misrepresentation? Isn't there an argument you can make either trying to stretch the truth and without making things up?
 

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Correct, that is the report on Israeli human rights violations by the UN.
And it calls Israel apartheid.
No, it is not by the UN. Stop lying.

It is by the UNHRC Special Rapporteur being *****PRESENTED TO***** the UN. The UN ignored it.
 

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It is the report on Israel by the UN.

And it, along with a host of others, says Israel is apartheid.
No, it is not a report by the UN. That is just a blatant lie, and no matter how many times you try and repeat it, it will STILL be a blatant lie.

Richard Falk's mandate DOES NOT ENTITLE HIM TO SPEAK FOR THE UN. The report itself states that it is being transmitted TO the UN, it is not FROM the UN. You don't even attempt to dispute these facts.

This is all crystal clear and proven and yet you jibber jabber away with your idiot hate lies in the hopes of what? That somebody here doesn't already know what a liar you are and might believe you????
 

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No, it is not a report by the UN. That is just a blatant lie, and no matter how many times you try and repeat it, it will STILL be a blatant lie. Richard Falk's mandate DOES NOT ENTITLE HIM TO SPEAK FOR THE UN. The report itself states that it is being transmitted TO the UN, it is not FROM the UN. You don't even attempt to dispute these facts. This is all crystal clear and proven and yet you jibber jabber away with your idiot hate lies in the hopes of what? That somebody here doesn't already know what a liar you are and might believe you????
Careful, you're going to blow a gasket soon if you keep speaking in caps like that.

Go check his job description again, he is to report to the UN and the public, as he has been doing.

The UN, like every other legit body that has looked into it, has found Israel to be apartheid.

Time for you to stop supporting crimes against humanity.
 

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Groggy, is is PREPOSTEROUS to imagine a legislature like the UN appointing a minor employee like Falk the power to represent the entire organization arbitrarily and without any consultation or pre-approval by the UN. PREPOSTEROUS. It doesn't happen anywhere and it isn't being done at the UN.

He is a minor employee in a backwater agency that nobody resepcts, and he periodically transmits his reports to the UN for their consideration. The UN being the United Nations, the assembly of the nations of the world, and not Richard Falk. If the UN wanted his demented reports to be their public policy, then they would go ahead and endorse the opinion with a resolution, as they have done many other times with other reports by similar employees where they wanted to. They have wholesale ignored his reports, pretty much a rejection of them, given that they usually endorse reports.

You are just a complete fucking moron. I don't know how many people have pointed out the difference to you between a reporter to the UN, which he is, and a representative for the UN, which he is not.

His mandate is very, very fucking clear. If you don't like that he doesn't make policy single handedly for the entire world that's your problem. Go write angry letters to the UN demanding the Richard Falk be made global dictator or something equally preposterous, which is what you are basically trying to claim.

You are bar none the stupidest person here. Stupid for ever even imagining something so ridiculous, and stupid for trying to lie in the face of such obvious, well documented facts, that literally a half dozen or so people here have tried to explain to you.

Give up with the ridiculous, stupid lying.
 

groggy

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Groggy, is is PREPOSTEROUS to imagine a legislature like the UN appointing a minor employee like Falk the power to represent the entire organization arbitrarily and without any consultation or pre-approval by the UN. PREPOSTEROUS. It doesn't happen anywhere and it isn't being done at the UN. He is a minor employee in a backwater agency that nobody resepcts, and he periodically transmits his reports to the UN for their consideration. The UN being the United Nations, the assembly of the nations of the world, and not Richard Falk. If the UN wanted his demented reports to be their public policy, then they would go ahead and endorse the opinion with a resolution, as they have done many other times with other reports by similar employees where they wanted to. They have wholesale ignored his reports, pretty much a rejection of them, given that they usually endorse reports. You are just a complete fucking moron. I don't know how many people have pointed out the difference to you between a reporter to the UN, which he is, and a representative for the UN, which he is not. His mandate is very, very fucking clear. If you don't like that he doesn't make policy single handedly for the entire world that's your problem. Go write angry letters to the UN demanding the Richard Falk be made global dictator or something equally preposterous, which is what you are basically trying to claim. You are bar none the stupidest person here. Stupid for ever even imagining something so ridiculous, and stupid for trying to lie in the face of such obvious, well documented facts, that literally a half dozen or so people here have tried to explain to you. Give up with the ridiculous, stupid lying.
How is your one man protest going?
Have you got the UN scared yet (and hopefully not from your gun collection).

Once you get them to retract that report I'll take it all back. But since we know that won't happen I'll continue to point out that the UN has found Israel to be apartheid.

Have a nice night, hatemonger.
 

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I have no issue with anything the UN has *actually* said, the issue here is YOU LYING about what the UN has said, and pretending that Richard Falk is the UN. You are a pathetic clown.
 

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Richard Falk and his predecessor both reported to and for the UN on Israel.
Both found Israel to be apartheid, as has every legit investigation.
No matter how many ways you try and word it, his mandate does not make him the UN, he is not authorized to speak for the UN, and his reports are not the findings of nor the opinion of the UN unless the UN chooses to endorse them, which it pointedly never has. It is preposterous believe the UN would ever give anyone that power!!!

This has been explained to you by a half dozen people here, you have been shown his mandate.

Just quit lying. Attribute his ludicrous statements to him, or the UNHRC, not the UN.
 
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groggy

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he is not authorized to speak for the UN.
He is mandated to report to the UN and to the public on behalf of the UN.


The UN has investigated and found Israel to be apartheid.


The word is also out that Netanyahu killed the latest round of peace talks and killed talks in 2011 after they got too close to a solution.
Israel has no interest in peace, only a slow motion invasion and colonization.
That has created Apartheid Israel.

Congrats.
 

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He is mandated to report to the UN and to the public on behalf of the UN.
No. He does not report "on behalf of the UN", that is not part of his mandate. He reports to the UN, and then the UN decides whether they want to endorse the report.

Stop lying. Really.
 

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And publicly, on behalf of the UN.

The UN investigated and found Israel to apartheid.

Deal with it.
No, not on behalf of the UN. His mandate clearly excludes him from speaking on behalf of the UN.

He is not the UN, he does not speak for the UN, he does not speak on behalf of the UN, he does not represent the UN, and his opinion is not the opinion of the UN.

He transmits reports to the UN. THAT IS IT.
 

groggy

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No, not on behalf of the UN. His mandate clearly excludes him from speaking on behalf of the UN.

He is not the UN, he does not speak for the UN, he does not speak on behalf of the UN, he does not represent the UN, and his opinion is not the opinion of the UN.

He transmits reports to the UN. THAT IS IT.
OHCHR oPt is the only internationally-mandated entity to monitor and report publicly on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), and is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/MENARegion/Pages/PSIndex.aspx

That makes his reports the official voice of the UN on human rights in Israel.
 

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http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/MENARegion/Pages/PSIndex.aspx

That makes his reports the official voice of the UN on human rights in Israel.
He isn't part of OHCHR. Duh.

No matter how many times you try and come up with a new twist of wording, he is not mandated to speak on behalf of the United Nations. He carries out work for the UN, submitting reports, but the UN is under no obligation to agree with those reports.

The only mechanism by which "the UN" announces its views is by enacting a resolution. If it wanted to agree with Falk, it would enact a resolution saying so. Which it has not done.
 
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