Will You Quit Hobbying If A Nordic Model is Implemented In Canada?
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Ahhh, but by then it will be too late... The Nordic model will be the new law in this country UNLESS we do something NOW to stop it!!!
We Are Not Criminals
Waaa! Waaa! What a bunch of whiny internet chickenhawks.
If the legislation is based on Nordic laws, guess what? You guys will have to stop hiding behind the skirts of the SPs and Bedford and Maggies, because it will be YOU who are breaking the law. Yes, it will be the clients who are arrested, and who will have to launch the appeals.
And since you obviously have plenty of spare time as evidenced by the non-stop posts in this forum, how about using that time to do more than complain?
Brothers!!! We need to use our numbers, and get other hobbyists onboard so that instead of a bunch of individuals writing to their MPs and filling out gov't surveys we have some collective strength! We can't just really on prostitutes, WE have to mobilize too. We have to let TPTB know that there are a lot of us, and we are not doing anything wrong! We can't sit back and hope that Terri-Jean Bedford, Amy Lebovitch and Valerie Scott stick up for our right to BLS services!!
I've even come up with a collective name for our lobby group, and an introductory charter.
We are:
Your neighbours, friends, family members Businessmen, professionals, labourers Doctors, lawyers, teachers, taxi drivers. Mall employees, bartenders, salesmen, tradesmen.
We are not doing anything wrong. We don’t traffic women. We stay away from underage girls, from obvious drug users and alcohol abusers. We see women who consent to the activities, and we pay them what they ask for the pleasure of their company.
We are men who enjoy sex without emotional commitment. Without heartbreak and without future expectations. We are men who like to indulge in safe sex with willing partners and no strings attached, and are willing to pay for this privilege. And
We Are Not Criminals.
If enough of you guys agree we could start setting up this lobbying group with an email list and a website, and we could all become known as… WANCers.
Hmm, maybe first we can come up with a better name and acronym.
Waaa! Waaa! What a bunch of whiny internet chickenhawks.
If the legislation is based on Nordic laws, guess what? You guys will have to stop hiding behind the skirts of the SPs and Bedford and Maggies, because it will be YOU who are breaking the law. Yes, it will be the clients who are arrested, and who will have to launch the appeals.
And since you obviously have plenty of spare time as evidenced by the non-stop posts in this forum, how about using that time to do more than complain?
Brothers!!! We need to use our numbers, and get other hobbyists onboard so that instead of a bunch of individuals writing to their MPs and filling out gov't surveys we have some collective strength! We can't just really on prostitutes, WE have to mobilize too. We have to let TPTB know that there are a lot of us, and we are not doing anything wrong! We can't sit back and hope that Terri-Jean Bedford, Amy Lebovitch and Valerie Scott stick up for our right to BLS services!!
I've even come up with a collective name for our lobby group, and an introductory charter.
We are:
Your neighbours, friends, family members Businessmen, professionals, labourers Doctors, lawyers, teachers, taxi drivers. Mall employees, bartenders, salesmen, tradesmen.
We are not doing anything wrong. We don’t traffic women. We stay away from underage girls, from obvious drug users and alcohol abusers. We see women who consent to the activities, and we pay them what they ask for the pleasure of their company.
We are men who enjoy sex without emotional commitment. Without heartbreak and without future expectations. We are men who like to indulge in safe sex with willing partners and no strings attached, and are willing to pay for this privilege. And
We Are Not Criminals.
If enough of you guys agree we could start setting up this lobbying group with an email list and a website, and we could all become known as… WANCers.
Hmm, maybe first we can come up with a better name and acronym.
It can happen quite easily. Swedes think that they are the most progressive country in the world, with all of their advanced social policies, and the Nordic Model started there. In fact, they think so highly of their society that they are trying to export the Nordic Model to all other countries. That's why it's here.
But a word of caution: it is the result of the major influence of radical feminism on Swedish politics that the Nordic Model exists. Is that something we want for Canada? It's gotten so bad in Sweden, that one [male] Swedish legislator has drafted a law to have men pee sitting down, making peeing standing up a criminal offense.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HwfVPmFNlg
Swedish male population has been emasculated. No wonder they got beat at the Olympics at hockey.
Where you expecting a txt msg frm TJB?
There were articles in several newspapers and online news sites when Bedford blogged her
List Of Questions For Stephen Harper
Which is, in a way, the "ultimatum" you are demanding. Because she is challenging the government on their definitions and their authority of exactly what they are trying to outlaw.
And if "her gang" includes law professor Alan Young, who represented her pro bono, he`s commented when asked by various media, and as a law professor and lawyer has stated many times that he cannot and does not write laws, he has to wait until Parliament enacts legislation and then he can respond to it.
He`s not going to throw some Doug Ford type temper tantrum and it`s unrealistic for you to demand or expect that sort of lashing out.
A better question is:
Where are the 132,175 members of https://terb.cc now?!
145 voted in the poll. There`s maybe a couple of dozen who care about what`s happening enough to respond to the guvernment survey and less than half that number who can even bother to speak up in this anonymous thread.
If that`s any indication of hobbyists` political involvement, Harper Mackay and company are right in ignoring what we say we want.
This is a good rallying cry but it's not the same as getting a parking ticket. The stigma would be too much for the majority of the above to be part of any public movement where they can be identified beyond John Smith. They are not willing to give up their businesses, careers and their relationships to be visibly involved.
Any argument against this legislation in our society has to be undertaken from the perspective of the sex worker. They are the best "face" of any anti-legislation efforts. Arguing that a lady has a right to do her thing is fine but trying to make an argument from the perspective of guys who like sex without commitment would likely make the sex trade illegal overnight.
I`m almost certain it is possible to create an email address without using one`s real name. Not saying we need to don our Guy Fawkes masks for a march on Capitol Hill.
My point is that instead of 20 individuals each anonymously sending an email to a legislator, we would carry more weight if we could organize and coordinate as a `lobbying group` with 1,000, 10,000, or more people. (The current stat shows 132,175 members of https://terb.cc).
And...a lot of sex workers also want to maintain their anonymity. Unfortunately the most media attention goes to women who have been "rescued" from the industry, from pimps, from drug addiction and are now willing to talk publicly about their experiences.
But as I posted earlier, groups like Maggies are mobilizing. I think that cowering in the shadows and hoping that SPs will come to our defense is too passive, we have to also get our collective voices heard somehow or no one in government is going to care about or even realize how many men are about to be made criminals.
It would also be nice if there was one place where all the info could be compiled instead of what`s currently going on in this forum. There are about 10 threads on this topic. There is:
one thread for the Sun editorial
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?472778-A-Must-Read-Future-0f-Prostitution-Laws
and another thread for the Globe and Mail editorial.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?472741-Prostitution-should-be-legal-Globe
There are 2 threads (at least) critiquing and criticizing the Nordic model.
Rather than encouraging discussion, having all these threads randomly pop up and then fall off the first page of the Lounge IMO dilutes the effectiveness of the message and discourages organization; we get the same few people blowing off steam by making their same points over and over but very little is accomplished.
My point is that instead of 20 individuals each anonymously sending an email to a legislator, we would carry more weight if we could organize and coordinate as a `lobbying group` with 1,000, 10,000, or more people. (The current stat shows 132,175 members of https://terb.cc).
And...a lot of sex workers also want to maintain their anonymity. Unfortunately the most media attention goes to women who have been "rescued" from the industry, from pimps, from drug addiction and are now willing to talk publicly about their experiences.
But as I posted earlier, groups like Maggies are mobilizing. I think that cowering in the shadows and hoping that SPs will come to our defense is too passive, we have to also get our collective voices heard somehow or no one in government is going to care about or even realize how many men are about to be made criminals.
It would also be nice if there was one place where all the info could be compiled instead of what`s currently going on in this forum. There are about 10 threads on this topic. There is:
one thread for the Sun editorial
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?472778-A-Must-Read-Future-0f-Prostitution-Laws
and another thread for the Globe and Mail editorial.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?472741-Prostitution-should-be-legal-Globe
There are 2 threads (at least) critiquing and criticizing the Nordic model.
Rather than encouraging discussion, having all these threads randomly pop up and then fall off the first page of the Lounge IMO dilutes the effectiveness of the message and discourages organization; we get the same few people blowing off steam by making their same points over and over but very little is accomplished.
That is precisely the problem. We can harp ad infinitum about women who freely elect to participate in this industry, but until a bunch of them step up and say so themselves, we are fighting an uphill battle against the (admittedly brave) women who tell their personal horror stories.
Yes it would be nice if the OP for the stickied thread would keep updating the first post as new articles and information becomes available.
Thanks, but apparently you were the only one. So I've come up with a new name for the lobby group and maybe this will resonate with hobbyists:I. Love. This.
You WANCers are the shit ... you've got my support!
Justice In Sexual Matters.
Now let's all pool our resources of JISM together into one big....hmm back to the drawing board.
What about Johns Not Cons? That's not offensive, and sounds pretty good IMO. I have a few ideas to work on to try and get some collective interest and action going.
Maybe the law and the enforcement will follow the marijuana law. Right now the police can lay a criminal charge or simply issue a warning (no criminal record). Apparently, the police will soon have the option of simply issuing a ticket (no criminal record).
The irony is, she probably doesn't even care. Another poster mentioned that Bedford launched the court challenge purely out of self serving interests. I believe the phrase was "the rest of us are just collateral damage to her", or something to that effect. Otherwise, why isn't she out there getting media attention to promote our side of things? She started it... she better make sure she finishes it...
155 voted out of probably thousands of hobbyists not really an accurate poll in my opinion.
Also 26% voted "maybe" meaning they might quite, they might not It depends on what the penalty is for getting caught and how high the risk is of getting caught.
Maybe not, but whats for sure is that most agencies are gonna take a hit when it comes to profits, because a certain number of guys will quit. It might not be 50%, it might be 25% or less.
Or it could even be much higher (like 60% or more).
One things for sure, many guys will quit because they cant afford a criminal record due to travel restrictions it places on you. Also having your wife bail you out of jail after you got caught is a deterrent for many married guys as well
Back in the 90's (before the internet) when I was just 18 (I was naive) I approached a street hooker on foot and ask her how much. There where 2 cops in the donut shop having coffee and donuts at the same corner, I don't know if they saw me but I manage to book a sleezy motel and did the deed. Say BS if you want but it's true. So even if it is law, the question is will LE enforce it strictly?
