Should a Protestant work in the Catholic school board?

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or a non-Catholic?

http://www.thestar.com/life/2013/05/17/should_a_protestant_work_in_the_catholic_school_board.html


By: Ken Gallinger Ethically speaking columnist, Published on Fri May 17 2013

Q: I’m an active member of a liberal Protestant church. I’ve been hired at a local school board in a casual capacity. A friend, recently hired by the Catholic board, tells me her casual position pays significantly more. She has encouraged me to apply; is it ethical to do so?
A: Ontario has two publicly funded school systems, and they are fundamentally different. The public system is by definition non-sectarian; it is structured around community values rather than religious ones, and is open to Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Wiccans, and anyone else who either chooses not to, or can’t afford to, send their kids to private school. The Catholic system, on the other hand, is explicitly sectarian. The Toronto Catholic District School Board (TCDSB) puts it this way: “while our schools adhere to Ministry of Education requirements, we do so from a Catholic perspective … Faith development is integral to every part of a Catholic education.”

Please don’t ask me to defend that; asking an ethicist to defend such a situation would be like asking the Pope to curse out loud. But it is what it is, and no Ontario politician is going to challenge it after what happened to John Tory.
There are several important implications of building a faith-based system.

First, Catholic schools have a “preferential right” to hire teachers who are Catholic — or at least claim to be. I don’t know of another publicly funded institution that could legally ask job applicants about their religious convictions, but it is an explicitly stated preference/expectation that those who teach in the Catholic system be active, practicing Catholics. How this plays out varies from board to board, but if you applied for a teaching job in many parts of the province, you would be required to declare that you will “participate regularly in the sacramental life of the church” — and bring a note from your priest (!!) confirming that you do so.

Second, Catholic schools are for Catholic kids. In a paper called “Catholic Education: Myths and Realities,” the Ontario Catholic School Trustees Association spells it out: “It is the constitutional mandate of Catholic Schools to provide Catholic education to Catholic kids.” That’s a fifteen-word sentence in which the word “Catholic” is used three times. Amen. There are some circumstances in which “other” kids are allowed to attend a Catholic school — but the system is explicitly designed for Catholics.
And third, Catholic schools are shaped by Catholic values. The TCDSB puts it like this: “Graduates are taught the virtues and values of the Catholic faith.” Please note that’s not “Christian,” but “Catholic.” Most of those values, listed by TCDSB, are wonderful: faith, hope and love are at the core, with justice and ecology strongly expressed. But official Catholic values on LGBT issues, abortion and the place of women are more troublesome for many people.

So, let’s rephrase your question based on all this. You’re asking “Is it OK to take a job in a system where people of my faith don’t have the right to teach, where my kids don’t have the right to attend, and where some values are unacceptable to liberal protestants like me?”
Do you still need help to arrive at an answer?
 

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Absolutely!!! If the catholic schools are willing and eager to accept full PUBLIC funding it, then they can't pick and choose who attends or teaches in the system. If the accept money from Protestants, Jews or Agnostics they should also accept them in their ranks.
 

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It depends.
 

blackrock13

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If the school has hired you(the author) they obviously think you should, it's you making a big deal out of it.
 

Marcus1027

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If they want public funding then accept all creeds and colors. It's pretty black and white!
 

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How do you intend to enforce this ideal? It is not the law in Canada.

American laws regarding public funding that are commonly talked about in the media are often mistaken as being the law here. They are not.
Is it possible that nobody is able to take a stand on anything anymore without having to first sanitize, edit and make sure that when it comes out it's politically correct, vague and totally devoid of substance or opinion? Here's the scenario, Bill Davis extended PUBLIC FUNDING to the catholic schools of Ontario. As such the separate school board ceased to "separate" except in name. Look at your property tax statement it only lists 2 choices, the systems and the board are for all intent and purpose PUBLIC boards!
 

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No wonder C-M started this thread, the article he pastes by Ken Gallinger doesn't even attempt to answer the question he was asked. To think this is from an ethics columnist or is "ethically speaking" not about ethics?
 

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This issue has cropped up countless times and the core issue is always ignored. People offer their opinions for and against, politicians pander and offer opinions for and against, but the bottom line is that it is a constitutional issue.....
I believe the existence of a Catholic school system is a constitutional issue. Hiring only Catholics and only allowing Catholics in elementary school isn't (IMO).

p.s. Bill Davis' deal expected Catholic Secondary schools to accept non-catholic students but that doesn't apply to elementary
 

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I went to catholic school all my life except for university. On highschool probably half the kids there weren't catholic. I graduated less than 10 years ago as well.

The history of Canadian relations with French Canadians is the reason why we have catholic schools but I think they should label all schools public for the sake of being politically correct.
 

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No wonder C-M started this thread, the article he pastes by Ken Gallinger doesn't even attempt to answer the question he was asked. To think this is from an ethics columnist or is "ethically speaking" not about ethics?
Standard C-M SOP, nothing new.
 

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I went to catholic schools my whole life and there were always Protestant and Jewish teachers on staff. I think this is simply hot-buttoning by Church haters. Oh well.
 

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Public money should not fund religion in schools period.
It goes back to the Constitution of Canada.....and how the country was foreseen when the document was written. Two systems were contemplated and accepted. We can all bark as loud as we like, but the constitution stands and it certainly does not detract from our country being the most desirable in the world for immigrants.

So basically, the catholic school teaches catholic ways..often in Uniforms. Anyone CAN GO TO THESE SCHOOLS, provided they take the core courses.

I can't comment on who can teach..other than you must subscribe catholic teachings.

I wonder sometimes if there is a slight jealousy amongst some, given the more proper look of Uniforms, often cleaner schools, and often a better school environment. Not in all..but certainly a vast majority.
 

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Since they accept public money then they have no right to ask what faith anyone is who applies for a job.
 

fmahovalich

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Since they accept public money then they have no right to ask what faith anyone is who applies for a job.
No play..you are incorrect. The constitution overrides your position. Clients applying have a choice basically, they don't have to go to the catholic school.
 

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No play..you are incorrect. The constitution overrides your position. Clients applying have a choice basically, they don't have to go to the catholic school.
Where in the constitution does it state anything to do with the funding of catholic schools or the acceptance or inclusion of those of other faiths or lack of faith?? Education like health is solely the jurisdiction of the provinces as spelled out in the constitution. So what the fuck are you talking about?
 

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Where in the constitution does it state anything to do with the funding of catholic schools or the acceptance or inclusion of those of other faiths or lack of faith?? Education like health is solely the jurisdiction of the provinces as spelled out in the constitution. So what the fuck are you talking about?
Hmmm,back to you fmahovalich.
 

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Public money should not fund religion in schools period.
I agree 100% if catholics want their own schools they should have to pay for them like people who send their kids to Jewish schools or Muslim schools. Tax dollars should not be used to fund religious schools. All though I like the fetish wear that they make their school girls wear.
 

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Where in the constitution does it state anything to do with the funding of catholic schools or the acceptance or inclusion of those of other faiths or lack of faith?? Education like health is solely the jurisdiction of the provinces as spelled out in the constitution. So what the fuck are you talking about?
Section 93 of the British North American Act of 1867.
 

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Why do we need "religious " based schools at all? Isn't that what church is for. Build schools period but if you want to have religious classes ie Catholic teachings fine,RC kids could go to those classes,but to build a whole school IMHO is a waste of tax money.
 
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