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Blue Jays, 2013 edition

gcostanza

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Damn I gotta reprimand my research people, however, please note Melky is Dominican and their birth dates are not always, shall we say accurate.LOL
The way Melky played this year I "thought" he was at least a couple of years older than Lind. I would still keep Lind ahead of him. We know Lind can play first and we know MelkyS days in the outfield are numbered.
How the hell did you catch that before gcostanza?
I'm deeply involved in the Georgia/Clemson football game. My apologies.
 

mandrill

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The next ?: Is tomorrow "Official Ricky Ro Callback Day"?
 

Butler1000

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The next ?: Is tomorrow "Official Ricky Ro Callback Day"?
I say bring him up. Let him pitch on a low pressure long relief situation. Let him sink or swim. Maybe Pat Hentgen and some bullpen time caan finally sort him out mentally. If it doesn't.....seeya.
 

blackrock13

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A typical Blackrock post. All noise, no substance.
Pretty substantive for those who read english well and have a long term memory. How you research coming along on all those Irish slaves in America coming along? It doesn't take a long winded post to make a point.
 

Rockslinger

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I would be surprised if the Blue Jays have absolutely no say in the makeup of the schedule. At the very least the Jays could pick a later start time so their game would not conflict with the Air Show. Why can't the Jay game start at 7PM instead of 1PM?

For example, it is my understanding that the Red Sox pick a much earlier start time so as not to conflict with the Boston Marathon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon
"Every year, the Boston Red Sox play a home game at Fenway Park, starting at 11:05 am."
 

blackrock13

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I would be surprised if the Blue Jays have absolutely no say in the makeup of the schedule. At the very least the Jays could pick a later start time so their game would not conflict with the Air Show. Why can't the Jay game start at 7PM instead of 1PM?

For example, it is my understanding that the Red Sox pick a much earlier start time so as not to conflict with the Boston Marathon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon
"Every year, the Boston Red Sox play a home game at Fenway Park, starting at 11:05 am."
No one has said they have no say, just that MLB has the final say.

The schedule is a Major undertaking

There's more than 2,400 games and only 181 days to play them

The Longest Season. The long and winding road, through the dog days of summer, into October. The grind, plain and simple. And, of course, the proverbial "marathon."

Baseball's schedule has been called a lot of allegorical things, but never a piece of cake. Neither to play it, nor to create it.
Fitting 30 teams and 2,430 games into a 181-day window on a 3,133-mile landscape -- and making it unique year after year -- is an undertaking of ridiculous proportions. A Rubik's Cube with six panels on each side.
That it all ultimately makes sense is a testament to foresight -- or just blind luck.
Regard Philadelphia's current slate. The Phillies' April 18-27 homestand is scheduled to be games 13 through 22 of a season their Jimmy Rollins began 20 games shy of Joe DiMaggio's fabled 56-game hitting streak.
Or last season, when the New York Yankees wrapped up with three games in Boston -- a series that ended with on-field celebrations of playoff berths on consecutive days by each team.
Brilliant planning by prescient people?
"If I could do that, I wouldn't be here working," says Katy Feeney, the senior vice president in the Commissioner's Office in charge of scheduling, implying she instead would be someplace where correct predictions pay off in hard cash.
"If you try to make certain assumptions, they can turn out to be wrong. You can't plan too far ahead, because you'll end up ripping it all apart."
In the fantasy world of gaming, it's a quick one-button process. You place the cursor over "Make schedule," click the mouse and, presto, play ball!
But in the three-dimensional real world, you've got reams of team special requests, travel logistics, Collective Bargaining Agreement regulations and vats of Wite-Out. You've got a nightmare.
"It's an ever-changing process, with a myriad of issues complicating the process," says Feeney. "At its very basic, the baseball side is always conflicting with the business side.
"Everyone submits their requests, and we proceed mindful of special circumstances. We keep making revisions -- thousands if you count every little thing."
And at the end of the day?
"Nobody is ever completely happy," sighs Feeney.
MLB scheduling has always been a stealth process. Teams are forwarded tentative schedules in December, tweaks are implemented, the schedules become official in February -- and soon those handy little foldable slates go into wallets and on refrigerator doors.
Scheduling has become a more topical issue recently only because different outfits have landed the contract to do it. While the job has long been up for annual bids, for more than two decades it had been a mom-and-pop operation. Literally. Henry and Holly Stephenson of Massachusetts got the job in 1980 and kept pushing their pencils for 24 years.
Then a small Pittsburgh firm, Sports Scheduling Group, was chosen to compile the 2005 schedule.
Yet another outfit landed the job for the current 2006 schedule. The reason for the latest switch is not known, but if name-propriety had anything to do with it, SSG certainly would've kept the job: one of its co-founders is Michael Trick, which is what the assignment turned out to be.
As Trick noted after finally turning in the 2005 schedule, "I thought, 'How hard could this be?' It turned out to be very hard."
Feeney chooses not to reveal the newcomer's identity, for no reason other than the fact innovations in technology have made the pursuit of the MLB scheduling gig more competitive.
"The last several years," Feeney says, "we've asked a limited number of firms to provide us with something that indicates their capability. It's a luxury to have a choice. We give to all of the candidates the format, the Interleague rotation, special requests, some broad issues and they submit a sample schedule before we award the actual contract."
When is all this groundwork laid? Work on the 2007 schedule began months before the first games of 2006 were played.
Teams submitted their requests for the 2007 schedule in November 2005. In January, Feeney's people began the nuts-and-bolts aspect of assembling next season's schedule. The tentative schedule must be presented to the players' union by July 1, and the deadline for its response is Oct. 15.
There are strict, negotiated guidelines to observe. The schedule must be between 178 and 183 days, can include no more than two day-night doubleheaders for any team, teams traveling from Pacific to Eastern time zones must have a day off in between, etc.
And there are year-to-year conditions to accomodate. Who can forget, for example, the Astros' month-long, 26-game road trip in 1992 to permit the Republican National Convention to be held in the Astrodome? Or both the Dodgers and the Angels having to vacate southern California during the 1984 Olympics? And the Braves' 19-game trip made necessary by the 1996 Olympics?
Those may be extreme examples, but similar circumstances always arise. For instance, when construction of their new ballpark begins, New York City must have the Mets on the road during the next few installments of tennis' U.S. Open, which is played across the street from Shea Stadium and will need use stadium parking lot.
Requirements such as these need to be juggled with Feeney's regular wish list: No four-series homestands or road trips; a minimum of "semi-repeaters," those home-and-home series between teams interrupted by only one other series; fair distribution of the 13 in-season weekends among each team's 81-game home schedule.
At least she is spared one headache of her predecessors: Deciding which teams get those valuable home dates on high-traffic holidays like Memorial Day and Labor Day.
Those used to be golden dates on any team's schedule. But times, like the technology churning out schedules, have changed.
"A lot of teams don't want to be home on holidays. Their thinking is that now people leave town," says Feeney, grateful for that little break. "For the most part, teams still want to be home on July 4, so we simply have to rotate that."

Tom Singer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

As for the Air Show, it isn't the draw or the show that it once was. Having a couple of friends who were major organizers for the show for almost 30 years, their opinion is that it is a shadow of itself for a number of reasons, many of them regulatory and safety reasons.

Can you remember any ball games starting before the noon hour? I can't.

 

gcostanza

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No one has said they have no say, just that MLB has the final say.

The schedule is a Major undertaking

There's more than 2,400 games and only 181 days to play them

The Longest Season. The long and winding road, through the dog days of summer, into October. The grind, plain and simple. And, of course, the proverbial "marathon."

Baseball's schedule has been called a lot of allegorical things, but never a piece of cake. Neither to play it, nor to create it.
Fitting 30 teams and 2,430 games into a 181-day window on a 3,133-mile landscape -- and making it unique year after year -- is an undertaking of ridiculous proportions. A Rubik's Cube with six panels on each side.
That it all ultimately makes sense is a testament to foresight -- or just blind luck.
Regard Philadelphia's current slate. The Phillies' April 18-27 homestand is scheduled to be games 13 through 22 of a season their Jimmy Rollins began 20 games shy of Joe DiMaggio's fabled 56-game hitting streak.
Or last season, when the New York Yankees wrapped up with three games in Boston -- a series that ended with on-field celebrations of playoff berths on consecutive days by each team.
Brilliant planning by prescient people?
"If I could do that, I wouldn't be here working," says Katy Feeney, the senior vice president in the Commissioner's Office in charge of scheduling, implying she instead would be someplace where correct predictions pay off in hard cash.
"If you try to make certain assumptions, they can turn out to be wrong. You can't plan too far ahead, because you'll end up ripping it all apart."
In the fantasy world of gaming, it's a quick one-button process. You place the cursor over "Make schedule," click the mouse and, presto, play ball!
But in the three-dimensional real world, you've got reams of team special requests, travel logistics, Collective Bargaining Agreement regulations and vats of Wite-Out. You've got a nightmare.
"It's an ever-changing process, with a myriad of issues complicating the process," says Feeney. "At its very basic, the baseball side is always conflicting with the business side.
"Everyone submits their requests, and we proceed mindful of special circumstances. We keep making revisions -- thousands if you count every little thing."
And at the end of the day?
"Nobody is ever completely happy," sighs Feeney.
MLB scheduling has always been a stealth process. Teams are forwarded tentative schedules in December, tweaks are implemented, the schedules become official in February -- and soon those handy little foldable slates go into wallets and on refrigerator doors.
Scheduling has become a more topical issue recently only because different outfits have landed the contract to do it. While the job has long been up for annual bids, for more than two decades it had been a mom-and-pop operation. Literally. Henry and Holly Stephenson of Massachusetts got the job in 1980 and kept pushing their pencils for 24 years.
Then a small Pittsburgh firm, Sports Scheduling Group, was chosen to compile the 2005 schedule.
Yet another outfit landed the job for the current 2006 schedule. The reason for the latest switch is not known, but if name-propriety had anything to do with it, SSG certainly would've kept the job: one of its co-founders is Michael Trick, which is what the assignment turned out to be.
As Trick noted after finally turning in the 2005 schedule, "I thought, 'How hard could this be?' It turned out to be very hard."
Feeney chooses not to reveal the newcomer's identity, for no reason other than the fact innovations in technology have made the pursuit of the MLB scheduling gig more competitive.
"The last several years," Feeney says, "we've asked a limited number of firms to provide us with something that indicates their capability. It's a luxury to have a choice. We give to all of the candidates the format, the Interleague rotation, special requests, some broad issues and they submit a sample schedule before we award the actual contract."
When is all this groundwork laid? Work on the 2007 schedule began months before the first games of 2006 were played.
Teams submitted their requests for the 2007 schedule in November 2005. In January, Feeney's people began the nuts-and-bolts aspect of assembling next season's schedule. The tentative schedule must be presented to the players' union by July 1, and the deadline for its response is Oct. 15.
There are strict, negotiated guidelines to observe. The schedule must be between 178 and 183 days, can include no more than two day-night doubleheaders for any team, teams traveling from Pacific to Eastern time zones must have a day off in between, etc.
And there are year-to-year conditions to accomodate. Who can forget, for example, the Astros' month-long, 26-game road trip in 1992 to permit the Republican National Convention to be held in the Astrodome? Or both the Dodgers and the Angels having to vacate southern California during the 1984 Olympics? And the Braves' 19-game trip made necessary by the 1996 Olympics?
Those may be extreme examples, but similar circumstances always arise. For instance, when construction of their new ballpark begins, New York City must have the Mets on the road during the next few installments of tennis' U.S. Open, which is played across the street from Shea Stadium and will need use stadium parking lot.
Requirements such as these need to be juggled with Feeney's regular wish list: No four-series homestands or road trips; a minimum of "semi-repeaters," those home-and-home series between teams interrupted by only one other series; fair distribution of the 13 in-season weekends among each team's 81-game home schedule.
At least she is spared one headache of her predecessors: Deciding which teams get those valuable home dates on high-traffic holidays like Memorial Day and Labor Day.
Those used to be golden dates on any team's schedule. But times, like the technology churning out schedules, have changed.
"A lot of teams don't want to be home on holidays. Their thinking is that now people leave town," says Feeney, grateful for that little break. "For the most part, teams still want to be home on July 4, so we simply have to rotate that."

Tom Singer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

That being said, I think the Blue Jays like being home during the Air Show, and the Exhibition. Those events pull people downtown, and if you're attending the ball game, you can watch the Air Show at the same time.
 

blackrock13

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That being said, I think the Blue Jays like being home during the Air Show, and the Exhibition. Those events pull people downtown, and if you're attending the ball game, you can watch the Air Show at the same time.
I'm not sure you'll see much of the show from the Roger Dome. If you take in both the game and the CNE, it's quite expensive. I wonder how many do that. In the other hand I took in the US- Canada rugby at BMO and then the CNE, one ticket at $60 for two events. THe Jay have the highest increase in attendance in the MLB this year and are in the top half in total attendance. Imagine where it would be if hey were a contending team.
 

Perry Mason

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THe Jay have the highest increase in attendance in the MLB this year and are in the top half in total attendance. Imagine where it would be if hey were a contending team.
Well, the reason attendance is up is because we believed all the hype that we did have a contending team!

Had we believed the team would be the same-old-same-old, I think attendence would have decreased.

Perry
 

blackrock13

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Well, the reason attendance is up is because we believed all the hype that we did have a contending team!

Had we believed the team would be the same-old-same-old, I think attendence would have decreased.

Perry
At the beginning of the season, I will agree with you, but the fans are still coming out long after the Jays are no longer in the pennant race. As said earlier the number of the games than the outcome is decide in the last innings in incredibly high, something like in the low 30%. The Jay are still in the game for a win quite a lot. If they had only been victorious in only a 1/3 of those lost, that's ~15 games, where would they be, barking at the heels of the O's and the Yankees and still in still in the race.
 

shack

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At the beginning of the season, I will agree with you, but the fans are still coming out long after the Jays are no longer in the pennant race.
I think they had a lot of advanced sales throughout the season, even the later games.
 

Jennifer_

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Bonifacio tormenting Jays today.

Happ is rubbish. Already 5 down:frusty:.
It's hard for me to not be happy for Bonifacio - I was happy that yesterday's game ended with Reyes catching the runner rather than Boni striking out.

Happ.... yeah he's struggling. :(
 

mandrill

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Saw the first three innings. Aside from some nice work by Lawrie and an excellent throw from Reyes, Jays put on a clinic in how NOT to perform defensive fundamentals - throwing errors, mental errors....

Happ would likely have done far better with decent defence behind him (and in front of him, as well.)
 
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