Toronto council votes in favour of Scarborough subway in major victory for Rob Ford
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No $1.8B commitment yet.Did they or did they not commit $1.8b for Scarborough transit?
They have still got 1.8b committed but 400mil is already being spent. There is 1.4b left that can be allocated.Did they or did they not commit $1.8b for Scarborough transit?
Asking for another 400m is actually asking the province for 2.2b not 1.8b.
No $1.8B commitment yet.
$1.8b was commited for Scarborough Transit, yes meaning LRT.
You are right "No $1.8B commitment yet" for subway.
But why not?
Both the Manager of the City of Toronto and the Chair of TTC agree the $1.8b should be reduced by $85m for the sunk cost which was already spent on LRT proposal but the Queen's Park Liberals want to claw back a substantial larger amount of $400m. Why?
The City of Toronto has NOT asked any thing other than the $1.8b minus the the $85m spent on the LRT proposal.
TTC disputes that.They have still got 1.8b committed but 400mil is already being spent. There is 1.4b left that can be allocated.
Asking for another 400m is actually asking the province for 2.2b not 1.8b.
Lets call in the forensic accounting.
400mil is allocated to upgrades to Kennedy station (in Scarborough last I checked). The Province also made that clear over a year ago that the Eglinton Crosstown is still being built. It is the Scarborough LRT that is cancelled and it had 1.4b funding.TTC disputes that.
Lets call in the forensic accounting.
Again:400mil is allocated to upgrades to Kennedy station (in Scarborough last I checked). The Province also made that clear over a year ago. The Eglinton Crosstown is still being built. It is the Scarborough LRT that is cancelled and it had 1.4b funding.
TTC disputes that.
Lets call in the forensic accounting.
And:
When we call in Forensic Accounting lets also double-check all e-mail correspondences between the City, the Province, TTC and Metrolink.
What is not in dispute is that the province is spending 1.8b on transit in Scarborough.
I think the city is just playing a slimy game to try and extort more money from another government.
I do think the gap can be closed by negotiating if the city is willing to meet half way.
I think the city is just playing a slimy game to try and extort more money from another government.
I do think the gap can be closed by negotiating if the city is willing to meet half way.
On July 17 the City of Toronto council passed the subway proposal, 28 to 16, spelling out clearly the proposal needs $1.8b (minus the $85m) from the Province transfer the LRT to Subway Project.What is not in dispute is that the province is spending 1.8b on transit in Scarborough.
I think the city is just playing a slimy game to try and extort more money from another government.
I do think the gap can be closed by negotiating if the city is willing to meet half way.
On July 18 Mitzie Hunter gave her unconditional support to this Scarborough Subway extension.
http://www.votehunter.ca/News/1451?l=EN
Did she not read the $1.8b requirement spelled out by the City's proposal or did the Liberals in Queen's Park make her to "believe" she was in the position to give 100% unconditional support the way she did on her statement?
That would be an interesting position for the Liberals to take. Unfortunately, that isn't what the Liberals said.The city should either propose a plan that fits the budget, or come up with some or all of the cost overage itself.
Instead, they're promising the Scarborough subway will get built and that a solution will be found to the cost issue.
We all know why they're saying that. They know they need to support the subway plan if Mitzie is to get elected in Scarborough.
The problem is the Liberals can't say one thing up to Aug. 1, and then change their tune after Aug. 1.
If the Liberals come out some time after Aug. 1 and say they were lying during the byelection campaign, that's a problem for the Liberals, not Rob Ford.
I don't think it will come to that. I can't believe Kathleen Wynne would be foolish enough to create another Liberal scandal just to save $400 million.
The Liberals have their noses out of joint and there's lots of huffing and puffing going on. But if no other option is found, my guess is the Liberals will find the money.
Does that mean you think the Liberals will keep their promise to deliver a new Scarborough subway?
http://www.votehunter.ca/News/1451?l=EN
http://www.votehunter.ca/News/1451?l=EN
"Statement from Mitzie Hunter the Ontario Liberal Candidate for Scarborough- Guildwood on Scarborough Subway Expansion
Today residents in Scarborough-Guildwood received the clarity they deserve on subway expansion to Scarborough.
As a person who has experienced the delays and issues faced by residents everyday with regards to transit in Scarborough, it was important for me to be present to hear about the future of transit in Scarborough.
I am supporting the expansion of subway to Scarborough because residents in Scarborough deserve high quality transit to get them moving easily and seamlessly. This subway expansion will also deliver economic development and create jobs.
From my conversations at the doors, residents have been clear that this is a priority issue for them, and they deserve a strong voice to bring that clarity to Queen’s Park. They need a strong representative that will be speaking on their behalf and can be effective in achieving results."
If she can deliver, before Aug 1st the election day, the required $1.8b minus the sunk cost on the LRT, whatever amount to be determined by the independant forensic accounting, I will rent an apartment in Scarborough- Guildwood just to vote for her on this by-election.
Mitzie Hunter can still support the subway then deem it a Rob Ford failure if it doesn't get built.
After all, the Ontario liberals have been clear and consistent in their promises, its Ford who is asking for more money and not putting enough 'skin in the game' to get it built now.
His pittance, 0.25% tax raise won't cover the city's bus stops, let alone build a subway.
After all, the Ontario liberals have been clear and consistent in their promises, its Ford who is asking for more money and not putting enough 'skin in the game' to get it built now.
His pittance, 0.25% tax raise won't cover the city's bus stops, let alone build a subway.
If Mitzie Hunter can deliver, before Aug 1st the election day, the required $1.8b minus the sunk cost on the LRT, whatever amount to be determined by an independant forensic accounting, I will rent an apartment in Scarborough- Guildwood just to vote for her on this by-election.Mitzie Hunter can still support the subway then deem it a Rob Ford failure if it doesn't get built.
After all, the Ontario liberals have been clear and consistent in their promises, its Ford who is asking for more money and not putting enough 'skin in the game' to get it built now.
His pittance, 0.25% tax raise won't cover the city's bus stops, let alone build a subway.
The Crosstown is still being built, still supported by both council and the province, and money for it is included in the 1.8b.On July 17 the City of Toronto council passed the subway proposal, 28 to 16, spelling out clearly the proposal needs $1.8b (minus the $85m) from the Province transfer the LRT to Subway Project.
On July 18 Mitzie Hunter gave her unconditional support to this Scarborough Subway extension.
http://www.votehunter.ca/News/1451?l=EN
Did she not read the $1.8b requirement spelled out by the City's proposal or did the Liberals in Queen's Park make her to "believe" she was in the position to give 100% unconditional support the way she did on her statement?
I think you are confusing the crosstown, which is still on, with the Scarborough lrt, which had been cancelled in favour of this proposed subway.
I see you support subways. Why don't you personally chip in the required 400mil? Saying that you support it is not the same as saying you have the dollars.
The province has made certain funds available it is up to the city to work with that.
That's hilarious. The Liberals haven't officially confirmed yet that they're lying, and you're already making excuses for the lies.Mitzie Hunter can still support the subway then deem it a Rob Ford failure if it doesn't get built.
If the cost difference is enough of an issue that Mitzie and the Liberals can't support the plan for a Scarborough subway, they should say so before Aug. 1.
Otherwise, we have to conclude they are making false promises to get elected.
They don't have to lie in the least.That's hilarious. The Liberals haven't officially confirmed yet that they're lying, and you're already making excuses for the lies.
If the cost difference is enough of an issue that Mitzie and the Liberals can't support the plan for a Scarborough subway, they should say so before Aug. 1.
Otherwise, we have to conclude they are making false promises to get elected.
They can just say 'we committed $1.8 billion to transit in Toronto, we are happy to put that into subways if Ford can make the financing work'.
Its Ford's foolishness that made his vote dependent on the Ontario and Federal government putting in more money while Ford would not commit more then a pittance from Toronto.
You can't get the feds and Ontario to commit more just by a vote at city council.
Ford is an idiot.
Of course, the full price tag is supposed to be about $2.8 or 2.9 billion.If the Scarborough subway does go forward -- it's going to cost more than $1.8B. Guaranteed.
$1.8 is the amount that the Ontario government has committed to Toronto transit expansion.
I say take what they can now and start building it.....one stop at a time..a little each year.
BUT START.
It will take 5 years of construction to get that spent and by then...we take more cash and build some more.
BT START,!
BUT START.
It will take 5 years of construction to get that spent and by then...we take more cash and build some more.
BT START,!
