Western Women Interviewed On Why Western Men Go To Thailand

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Interesting quote from something I read and copied some time ago...Sorry for the length, but I happen to agree with everything this lady wrote. T.O.: city that fun never found.

Here's the entry...

I’m a Russian girl who has been living in Toronto for 10 years, and I would like to thank you for this article. I’m sorry if I’m writing too much, but I’m happy to see that someone else has exactly the same opinion, which is extremely talked about in this country. It is so true, but it’s not just the girls, it’s the lifestyle in general. There is no place for fun, partying and meeting people in this city (I’m not sure how it is in other Canadian cities, because I only have been to Montreal, which is completely different). Toronto is a great city for those who want to live quiet lifestyle and doesn’t really care about going out and having great relationship with people. Just work, sleep and complain if the neighbours are having too much fun.
I do have friends here but all of them are either Eastern European or Latin (I’m really into Latin American culture). I don’t and don’t want to hang out with any Canadians. I only met 2 guys who were somewhat interesting, and both of them were traveling. Its true that the majority of the girls are fat and don’t take care of themselves. They dress have no fashion sense, they don’t style their hair and they don’t wear makeup (sorry they do, but only if they are going to someone’s wedding). All these girls are always talking about how it doesn’t matter how you look, and it doesn’t matter how you dress, everyone is beautiful and should be respected and blah blah blah… but once they see someone who actually dresses nicely they start talking how she looks like a slut, and how she is insecure and desperately trying to find a man. Its like they are proud that they are ugly. You won’t believe how many angry and judgmental looks I get, especially in summer, when you can actually wear skirts and dresses. Also they are not even trying to lose weight, they do eat fast food and pizza’s after clubs, and they criticize you if you don’t. If you are just ordering salad you get a huge lecture on anorexia, and how you are trying too hard, and that “curvy” women are beautiful (they forget that curvy is boobs and ass, not a beer belly and cellulite).

Also Toronto women hate men. They always talk badly about them, and there is a huge propaganda about being single, free and proud. Its like if you have a boyfriend, he will lock you in the room, take away your phone and will never let you out. For most of my life in Canada I was (and still am) in a relationship, but I was single for about a year once, and mistakenly started hanging out with this kind of group (I guess I was just bored, and they were going out a lot), and every time I talked about that I want to have a boyfriend or I met some guy which I kind of like, they will always try to brainwash me about independence and women power. Women here view men as predators. If they guy is looking at them or tries to make a conversation – he is a dirty pervert, and sometimes when I tell that some guy on the subway was trying to get my phone number, many of them are asking me why I didn’t call the police, because its sexual harassment. Even though it is absolutely normal that a guy is attracted to a girl. If you don’t like him you don’t have to talk to him, but it is not a harassment unless he is grabbing you, keeps following you or is trying to rape you.

Also, the culture in Toronto is generally very antisocial. When I went to York University in Toronto I was very shocked, how people come to class, and after just leave without talking to anyone. And in general people just prefer to stay home rather than to go out. I’m shocked that people of my generation (I’m only 26) act like if they were 60-70 years old – always tired, don’t like noise and prefer to watch TV than to go out. Its also very quiet on the subway (unless there will be an occasional group of kids or teenagers coming back from school). Even people who are together prefer to be playing with their smartphones and pads rather than talking to each other. And again if you are talking or, god forbid, laughing, you’ll see how everyone will give you angry looks, like if you were laughing at the funeral.
I’ve been to a couple of Canadian parties, and it was the most boring experience ever. There is lots of junk food, absolutely no dancing, people only talk to people who they know and you also get criticized when you drink too much or trying to actually be loud and have fun. Most of the times you just sit in your own group that you came with and talk badly about other people. When you to a Russian or Latin party you get introduced to everyone, and people actually want to meet you, asking who you are, where are you from etc., and then it is up to you if they want to hang out with you or not. I went to lots of Mexican parties where I only knew 1 or 2 people, and after 5-10 mins you feel like everyone is your best friend.

The government is trying to make illegal everything that is loud and fun. Last summer during the soccer Eurocup, Italian won some game, and we went to celebrate with some Italian friends. Its was crazy, lots of screaming, lots of music, but around 11 o’clock police has showed up and forced every single bar in the area to close, because it is illegal to make loud noises after 11, and kicked everybody out. And I actually almost for arrested for arguing with one of the FEMALE officers. Most of the events and festivals are closing down around 8-9pm. Last call is at 2. Pretty much everything is made for families with kids or old people. If you are young and looking for fun – Toronto is not the place.
All angry comments to this article that everyone is so brainwashed and politically correct that you can’t have your own opinion. Its especially frustrating, because Canadians claim that it is a free country, and its so great that you can be unique and open with your opinions and beliefs, but the truth is, you can’t say anything. Guys if you really want to be with a Canadian girl or fit in a Canadian society remember the thoughts you have to have. You can’t criticize any minorities, any small comment, joke, generalization or criticism will be taken as if you are extremely against them or want to kill them. You can’t dislike fat girls, you have to fight for the rights of animals or children (even if they are not discriminated), you have to have some kind of religion (I’m an atheist, and I got criticized for that a lot), you have to care about environment, you have to be against abortion, you can’t love fur, and you better be a vegetarian.

And lastly, I’d like to say that, yes, dating scene really sucks for men. I don’t have any statistics, but it seems like male population is much higher than female. I have lots of single guy friends or friends of my boyfriend who are really great guys, there is nothing wrong with them, but they just can’t find a girl. Very often guys ask me to introduce them to my girlfriends (of course because I’m Russian they think they all superhot and lonely), but honestly, I don’t know any decent girl who will be single and looking. All of them are either happily married or in a long term relationship. If they are single, there is usually something wrong with them
The above article makes some very astute and accurate observations.

There is a constant Observation about the Canadian Persona that often gets confused for a Criticism. This is that because we all know that 'Quiet and Well Mannered' is not very exciting, it's still a very nice way to be thought of. However, 'Warm and Open' is not what comes to mind when you describe the average Canadian. This is merely an Observation. As I said, it should not be confused for a criticism. It simply is what it is. Even my Canadian friends say so.

I truly believe that men are attracted to overt femininity. This is why many of us are drawn to the sweetness of Asian, Latin or Middle Eastern allure. There are many more of course. How a man relates to foreign culture depends on his personal social conditioning and upbringing. I have dated my fair share of Canadian women. Like any women anywhere, some were great, others...not so much. This is no surprise. The same level of femininity, sweetness and attention is not there though. I do find this to be evident. No matter, Toronto has more women from any race and culture to date that you can ever wish for.

A trip to 'parts unknown' is just a bonus to any adventure that would bring life long memories. It's all a grand part of this life. I love women.
 

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The above may accurately reflect the experience of the author but i can say without a doubt that it does not reflect this city.

The culture in Toronto is what you make of it. If you want a quiet life, it's available. if you want more social interaction, you can go for it. If you like to party, there's lots of opportunities. Maybe you have to take some initiative to get started but that seems fair in return for so many options.
 

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Agreed. My father was 5'10, mom was 5'5, I'm 5'8 and my sister is 5' even. My doc thinks my son is expected to hit 6'5 and my daughter only 5'4... Who knows. Be happy with what you're given and more importantly find someone who digs you for who and what you are.

Steph
+1

I'm ok looking, used to be athletic, but now I have a deskjob tummy I'm desperate to get rid of (I see it jiggle when I have sex in front of a mirror and it disconcerts me). But I'm also under the ideal height women like, and make enough to pay my bills, but not much more. However, I know how to dress for my shape, I'm constantly educating myself, and treat women with respect without wussing out and letting them walk all over me. I've had more success with women of all ages (18-45) in my 30's and now 40's than I ever did in my 20's when I was competing in full contact kickboxing. Why? Because of my attitude.

As it stands, I currently have a hot, smart, 20 year old gf (some of you have met her at the industry parties) who has no trouble with my occasional hobbying, as well as an tall, slim, dancer FWB from out of town who I hook up with when she visits.

Guys like Plan B and Laird, the problem isn't with Western women. The problem is within you and your issues with a society that is outgrowing its patriarchal roots. Trust me, Eastern, Far Eastern, and Southern women will find you as equally repulsive, they might just hide it better.

If you stopped resenting women, and put a little effort into being the best "YOU" that you could be, you'd have women falling into your laps.
 

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The other twist to all this is I think I lot of us, including myself, will not have problems hooking up with western women (I'm still able to get dates). However, it's all the CRAP we have to put up with in order to STAY hooked up with these women. Personally, I think most of these women are just so damn bossy (and that includes many of the Asian women who grew up here).

Hooking up is one thing - being happy with a western woman here is another thing altogether. I have many female friends I've known for many years now and some of them are still available and actually quite attractive -- but to me, they act like fracking men! I would much rather watch sports with them then have a sexual relationship with them! There's just no hope in hell that I would be happy with any of them beyond friends.

When I travel, yes I see some guys who would not be considered physically attractive here by western women. But I also see guys who wouldn't be considered bad looking either. When I talk to them at bars, I sense that they are just fed up with the western female mentality that has take feminism to a whole new level that their mothers and grandmothers never did before. And it's this change of attitudes that have made a serious disconnect with many western men here.
 

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I'm ok looking, used to be athletic, but now I have a deskjob tummy I'm desperate to get rid of (I see it jiggle when I have sex in front of a mirror and it disconcerts me). But I'm also under the ideal height women like, and make enough to pay my bills, but not much more. However, I know how to dress for my shape, I'm constantly educating myself, and treat women with respect without wussing out and letting them walk all over me. I've had more success with women of all ages (18-45) in my 30's and now 40's than I ever did in my 20's when I was competing in full contact kickboxing. Why? Because of my attitude.

As it stands, I currently have a hot, smart, 20 year old gf (some of you have met her at the industry parties) who has no trouble with my occasional hobbying, as well as an tall, slim, dancer FWB from out of town who I hook up with when she visits.

Guys like Plan B and Laird, the problem isn't with Western women. The problem is within you and your issues with a society that is outgrowing its patriarchal roots. Trust me, Eastern, Far Eastern, and Southern women will find you as equally repulsive, they might just hide it better.

If you stopped resenting women, and put a little effort into being the best "YOU" that you could be, you'd have women falling into your laps.

Listen, I'm pleased that things are working out for you, but don't try to validate your success by stating that the problem lies with me somehow. You may have "lucked out", but the majority of us can't catch a break with western women to save our lives. At this point I've given up and don't approach anymore. Trust me...the regular Toronto guy repulses women beyond belief, and women are anything but honest when trying to give rationales. Your experience is more the exception, and not really representative of what is happening to the greater male population in this city.

Women are simply never satisfied in this city. They want everything and the kitchen sink..if you make one mistake while you are walking on eggshells with her, then you get tossed to the curb. Meanwhile she goes and starts crying to her friends that all men are assholes to generate sympathy.
I give up...I'm going to drive a Mazda 3 until I save enough to look at greener pastures.
 

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Women are simply never satisfied in this city. They want everything and the kitchen sink..if you make one mistake while you are walking on eggshells with her, then you get tossed to the curb. Meanwhile she goes and starts crying to her friends that all men are assholes to generate sympathy.
I agree with this point. From my observations with not only my own past relationships but of others, even if you do end up with a western woman, chances are very high that life with them will be pure hell.
 

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I agree with this point. From my observations with not only my own past relationships but of others, even if you do end up with a western woman, chances are very high that life with them will be pure hell.
Your best bet is a Canadianized FOB, a woman who came to Canada with her family, as a little girl. She will be Canadian in terms of education, language skills and cultural exposure, but will still have been brought up by the old-country values, ie. act like a woman and your husband will treat you like a woman, treat your man well and he will treat you well, value your family, value your freedom not the price of your handbag, etc. Make sure you pick a lady of the right 'old-country', though!
 

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I agree with this point. From my observations with not only my own past relationships but of others, even if you do end up with a western woman, chances are very high that life with them will be pure hell.
says the man and his comrades who are unable to attract a woman
 

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Listen, I'm pleased that things are working out for you, but don't try to validate your success by stating that the problem lies with me somehow. You may have "lucked out", but the majority of us can't catch a break with western women to save our lives. At this point I've given up and don't approach anymore. Trust me...the regular Toronto guy repulses women beyond belief, and women are anything but honest when trying to give rationales. Your experience is more the exception, and not really representative of what is happening to the greater male population in this city.

Women are simply never satisfied in this city. They want everything and the kitchen sink..if you make one mistake while you are walking on eggshells with her, then you get tossed to the curb. Meanwhile she goes and starts crying to her friends that all men are assholes to generate sympathy.
I give up...I'm going to drive a Mazda 3 until I save enough to look at greener pastures.

But if this is true,the answer is simply to forget about women, spend all your time and energy in making money, and enjoying the finer things in life. Women will therefore flock to you, right?

Honestly if you have an interesting job, and hobbies, and have seen some of the world, you're already a catch....

I wold humbly suggest the chip on your shoulder might be part of the problem......
 

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Fat, short, on the wrong side of 40, posting on an escort forum, and pulling hot 20 year olds for free. Seems legit. Let me know when your e-book comes out.

+1

I'm ok looking, used to be athletic, but now I have a deskjob tummy I'm desperate to get rid of (I see it jiggle when I have sex in front of a mirror and it disconcerts me). But I'm also under the ideal height women like, and make enough to pay my bills, but not much more. However, I know how to dress for my shape, I'm constantly educating myself, and treat women with respect without wussing out and letting them walk all over me. I've had more success with women of all ages (18-45) in my 30's and now 40's than I ever did in my 20's when I was competing in full contact kickboxing. Why? Because of my attitude.

As it stands, I currently have a hot, smart, 20 year old gf (some of you have met her at the industry parties) who has no trouble with my occasional hobbying, as well as an tall, slim, dancer FWB from out of town who I hook up with when she visits.

Guys like Plan B and Laird, the problem isn't with Western women. The problem is within you and your issues with a society that is outgrowing its patriarchal roots. Trust me, Eastern, Far Eastern, and Southern women will find you as equally repulsive, they might just hide it better.

If you stopped resenting women, and put a little effort into being the best "YOU" that you could be, you'd have women falling into your laps.
 
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Your best bet is a Canadianized FOB, a woman who came to Canada with her family, as a little girl. She will be Canadian in terms of education, language skills and cultural exposure, but will still have been brought up by the old-country values, ie. act like a woman and your husband will treat you like a woman, treat your man well and he will treat you well, value your family, value your freedom not the price of your handbag, etc. Make sure you pick a lady of the right 'old-country', though!
A good strategy
 

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VIPhunter

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Fat, short, on the wrong side of 40, posting on an escort forum, and pulling hot 20 year olds for free. Seems legit. Let me know when your e-book comes out.
It's not being fat, short or old. It's attitude. Bring something, anything to the table...People (Women) would like to spend time with interesting men.

Free advice: My work has put me in many social situations, while working...dinner, bars, night clubs.....

Here's the major list of 4 problems most men seem to have:

1) Lack of desire for anything but sports. Sure, enjoy hockey, and you may even find a few gals who like it....but if it's your only passion, you sir are boring

2) Table manners: Many men dine with all the grace of a vulture...Sit down, slow down, use your knife, fork and napkin properly..This shows that you have some culture (take your damn hat off too)

3)Dress like a man. I don't care if they are $500 jeans. They are still jeans....don't wear them on social occasions.

4) I like a good curse word now and again....a properly placed 'Fuck you' gets results. But when having an adult conversation with a woman you would like to get to know better....dump the sailor mouth.

Bonus: I'm amazed at how many men do not carry business or at least calling cards. All your contact information is on them, and they can be given out with great aplomb, or a nonchalance that suggests you are not TOO invested in the meeting.

Again, for fun, I've tried the 'talk to the least attractive girl in the group' to get the pretty one's attention.

Works like a charm most of the time.....but nothing suggests at the end of the night you can't just slip the cute one your card.....as an afterthought of course.
 

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Define feminine.
That is the key question? and another one to ask define masculine. Define what a real man is.

I come across on this board as a very hard ass female, a man hater and a feminist. However my SO says and I agree that in our relationship, I am very feminine and docile, even very submissive to him. He is the man, I am the woman, and I very much like the tradition roles we have. I don't have to give that and won't give that level of submission {for lack of a better word} to anyone else. Why? Because they have not earned that from me. I trust in him and so therefore I can give in to him as the man. However, I am not about to just hand that over and worship every man that walks down the road towards me. Sorry but why would I? Because he has a dick - nope don't think so, and sorry but too many really don't know HOW to use that dick anyway.

This "thing" with gender roles and how Asian women bend to the call of any man is ridiculous if you ask me. Why? because it is not natural and from the heart. It is a show for cash. Nothing more then escorts here. Men who go there and forces this male dominate behaviour because they know that these poor women need the money - in my opinion are not "real" men at all. Which is why I would never submit to their faux dominance either. And why I laugh my ass when all these men say western women are this and that.

I need a real man. One who appreciates my true worship of him, but not one who would force or extort it form me for his own personal gain/ego with no care to me. A real man cares for his woman, and out of that care, she adores him and gives to him. Not like most of the men in this thread in favor of a thai bride.

Thankfully I found my man and have also found my feminine role based on our combined definitions of the terms. It works but it will never work with a man who is not secure within himself and who has no idea how to really treat a woman properly.


Your marriages will, of course, all end once you turn 30. 35 if you're super hot.
I am over that already, and shockingly I still have men who find me attractive, and would date me in a heat beat. I have more that would just bed me. Thankfully, I don't need even 1 husband. I do not personally agree with the contract of marriage. My post was all in jest.
 

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Here's the major list of 4 problems most men seem to have:

1) Lack of desire for anything but sports. Sure, enjoy hockey, and you may even find a few gals who like it....but if it's your only passion, you sir are boring

2) Table manners: Many men dine with all the grace of a vulture...Sit down, slow down, use your knife, fork and napkin properly..This shows that you have some culture (take your damn hat off too)

3)Dress like a man. I don't care if they are $500 jeans. They are still jeans....don't wear them on social occasions.

4) I like a good curse word now and again....a properly placed 'Fuck you' gets results. But when having an adult conversation with a woman you would like to get to know better....dump the sailor mouth.
I agree with these but playing devil's advocate here, even if many men can fix up these issues, what's the point if the women here are going to end up bitching, moaning, complaining and just driving the guys completely batty? In other words, why work so hard just to get into a relationship of hell?
 

VIPhunter

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I agree with these but playing devil's advocate here, even if many men can fix up these issues, what's the point if the women here are going to end up bitching, moaning, complaining and just driving the guys completely batty? In other words, why work so hard just to get into a relationship of hell?
Ah...but there's the rub (and I do like a good rub)..It's not working so hard, to pick up women...it's bettering one's self.

A better self, more confidence and a good attitude will make you the pick of the litter....

Never change for others, change for yourself.....and reap the rewards.
 

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It's not being fat, short or old. It's attitude. Bring something, anything to the table...People (Women) would like to spend time with interesting men.

Free advice: My work has put me in many social situations, while working...dinner, bars, night clubs.....

Here's the major list of 4 problems most men seem to have:

1) Lack of desire for anything but sports. Sure, enjoy hockey, and you may even find a few gals who like it....but if it's your only passion, you sir are boring

2) Table manners: Many men dine with all the grace of a vulture...Sit down, slow down, use your knife, fork and napkin properly..This shows that you have some culture (take your damn hat off too)

3)Dress like a man. I don't care if they are $500 jeans. They are still jeans....don't wear them on social occasions.

4) I like a good curse word now and again....a properly placed 'Fuck you' gets results. But when having an adult conversation with a woman you would like to get to know better....dump the sailor mouth.

Bonus: I'm amazed at how many men do not carry business or at least calling cards. All your contact information is on them, and they can be given out with great aplomb, or a nonchalance that suggests you are not TOO invested in the meeting.

Again, for fun, I've tried the 'talk to the least attractive girl in the group' to get the pretty one's attention.

Works like a charm most of the time.....but nothing suggests at the end of the night you can't just slip the cute one your card.....as an afterthought of course.
yes attitude plays a key role in all of this games you play, infact most guys and girls play games these days so no foul there. But lets look at this a little bit more deeper.

In all fairness, by what you just said, you play games to attract the women of your choice while misleading another because you have no intent of ending up with "least attractive woman". I think you should be the last person on the planet to judge other men of their shortcomings. I mean lets be honest here, if you are going to field a game to get women which most guys do you should not be coming on any site and judging the rest because in one way or the other you yourself are guilty of a shortcoming or two, just saying.

Also the business card trick, works on and off, not all the time.
 
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